Can someone tell me how in a four way tie-breaker at 12-4

exiled · 12-10-2017, 08:59 PM

In his defense... we are listed at NFL.com as below Charlotte as # 2 in the division (which i don't get) but the # 4 seed (over Charlotte who is listed as #5) Just saying' I mean none of that matters much - as long as we win out. it is all we can hoe to do.

WillSaints81 · 12-10-2017, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by exiled

In his defense... we are listed at NFL.com as below Charlotte as # 2 in the division (which i don't get) but the # 4 seed (over Charlotte who is listed as #5) Just saying' I mean none of that matters much - as long as we win out. it is all we can hoe to do.

No I am aware of that blunder. I am talking about the idea if we won out, and the vikings, eagles, and rams are all tied with us or just eagles and vikings that we have the top seed tie-breaker, which I do not see.

AsylumGuido · 12-10-2017, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

No I am aware of that blunder. I am talking about the idea if we won out, and the vikings, eagles, and rams are all tied with us or just eagles and vikings that we have the top seed tie-breaker, which I do not see.

Just wait and see what happens and don't hurt your tiny brain.

saintfan · 12-10-2017, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by frydaddy

By way of a little known tiebreaker buried deep in the rule book called the kobayashi maru method. Wherein an alien master race will exit hyperspace directly over the 4 cities involved. Doctor Who will intercede and save one city, while the other 3 are eliminated from playoff contention and the planet.

Seriously man, as informed as you clearly are I would expect you to know this one already.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 12-10-2017, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

we are the top seed? Because I don't see it.......

I see some saints fans are upset eagles won, but that was not the best case for us...

That Eagles/Rams result eliminated the chance of winning that tiebreaker. The only chance of the Saints getting the top seed is the Saints going 3-0 and everyone else (Rams,Vikings,Eagles) going 0-3.

OK let's see the current standings:

Team Record Conference
Eagles 11-2 9-1
Vikings 10-3 8-2
Rams 9-4 6-4
Saints 9-4 7-3

So down the stretch the Eagles go 1-2, Vikings 2-1, Rams 3-0, Saints 3-0 with each winning their division with the final records of:

Team Record Conference
Eagles 12-4 9-3 *
Vikings 12-4 9-3 **
Rams 12-4 8-4
Saints 12-4 9-3

* Eagles go 0-2 in remaining 2 NFC games with Giants and Cowboys. Otherwise they win the #1 outright.
** Vikings go 1-1 in remaining 2 NFC games with Packers and Bears. Otherwise they win the #1 outright.

So the first tiebreaker is head to head. No team beat each of the others, and no team lost to all of the others. So it's a wash.

The second tiebreaker is conference record. The Rams are 8-4 in conference as opposed to the others at 9-3. They are elimiinated, thereby getting the 4th seed. The remaining three are back to the top.

head to head is skipped as above, conference record is tied.

Next, and now crucial is common games (minimum of 4 games each team). At the end the Eagles, Vikings, and Saints have the Rams, Bears, Panthers, and Redskins would result in records of 5-0 for the Eagles, 4-1 for the Vikings (loss to Panthers today), and 4-1 for the Saints (loss to Rams last week). Therefore the Eagles are awarded the top seed and the Vikings and Saints are thrown back in to the tiebreaker mixer. The Vikings win the head to head with the Saints and therefore get the second seed. So the seedings are:

Seed Team Record Conference
1 Eagles 12-4 9-3
2 Vikings 12-4 9-3
3 Saints 12-4 9-3
4 Rams 12-4 8-4

The Eagles 5-0 in common games is in the bank. The Saints 4-1 is too. The Vikings have the Bears left. Win or lose they cannot match the Eagles 5-0 record. So in tied situations the Eagles come out on top of the other 3 because for common games for the Vikings and Saints and a win over the Rams. The Vikings beat both the Saints and the Rams, so comes out on top in any tiebreaker involving only the three either individually or collectively.
So as you can see, each of the Vikings, Rams, and Saints were all rooting against Philly today. Unfortunately all were disappointed.

In fact the above is the only tiebreaker that now helps the Saints at all with the current group of division leaders as it's the only one that gets the Saints the third seed. The better path to the third seed is Seattle beating the Rams next week putting them in the division lead in the West. First off that would put all of the West at least a game behind the Saints presuming that the Saints win out. In terms of any ties, the Saints holds the tiebreaker over Seattle the common opponents tiebreaker (Packers, FailClowns, Rams, Redskins) 3-2 (FailClowns, Rams losses) vs 2-3 (Packers, FailClowns,Redskins losses) operating on the presumption we take out the FailClowns on Christmas Eve.

SFIAH

The Dude · 12-10-2017, 11:06 PM

Won’t we have the tie breaker over Carolina since we swept them? Assuming we all win out.

The Dude · 12-10-2017, 11:06 PM

How was the officiating in the Panthers game.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 12-10-2017, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Won’t we have the tie breaker over Carolina since we swept them? Assuming we all win out.

Absolutely. We can treat Carolina as if they have an extra loss to us. They lose the first tiebreaker to the Saints.

SFIAH

Rugby Saint II · 12-13-2017, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Absolutely. We can treat Carolina as if they have an extra loss to us. They lose the first tiebreaker to the Saints.

SFIAH

Thank you for confirming that good sir!

K Major · 12-13-2017, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Thank you for confirming that good sir!

Ditto.

12-10-2017, 08:59 PM	#11
exiled Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: on the road - now based in Austin, TX Posts: 483	Re: Can someone tell me how in a four way tie-breaker at 12-4 In his defense... we are listed at NFL.com as below Charlotte as # 2 in the division (which i don't get) but the # 4 seed (over Charlotte who is listed as #5) Just saying' I mean none of that matters much - as long as we win out. it is all we can hoe to do. Rugby Saint II likes this.

12-10-2017, 09:04 PM	#12
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Can someone tell me how in a four way tie-breaker at 12-4 Originally Posted by exiled In his defense... we are listed at NFL.com as below Charlotte as # 2 in the division (which i don't get) but the # 4 seed (over Charlotte who is listed as #5) Just saying' I mean none of that matters much - as long as we win out. it is all we can hoe to do. No I am aware of that blunder. I am talking about the idea if we won out, and the vikings, eagles, and rams are all tied with us or just eagles and vikings that we have the top seed tie-breaker, which I do not see.

12-10-2017, 09:07 PM	#13
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Can someone tell me how in a four way tie-breaker at 12-4 Originally Posted by WillSaints81 No I am aware of that blunder. I am talking about the idea if we won out, and the vikings, eagles, and rams are all tied with us or just eagles and vikings that we have the top seed tie-breaker, which I do not see. Just wait and see what happens and don't hurt your tiny brain. WW_Who_Dat likes this.

12-10-2017, 10:11 PM	#14
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Can someone tell me how in a four way tie-breaker at 12-4 Originally Posted by frydaddy By way of a little known tiebreaker buried deep in the rule book called the kobayashi maru method. Wherein an alien master race will exit hyperspace directly over the 4 cities involved. Doctor Who will intercede and save one city, while the other 3 are eliminated from playoff contention and the planet. Seriously man, as informed as you clearly are I would expect you to know this one already. Halo, WW_Who_Dat and frydaddy like this.

12-10-2017, 10:40 PM	#15
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	Re: Can someone tell me how in a four way tie-breaker at 12-4 Originally Posted by WillSaints81 we are the top seed? Because I don't see it....... I see some saints fans are upset eagles won, but that was not the best case for us... That Eagles/Rams result eliminated the chance of winning that tiebreaker. The only chance of the Saints getting the top seed is the Saints going 3-0 and everyone else (Rams,Vikings,Eagles) going 0-3. OK let's see the current standings: Team Record Conference Eagles 11-2 9-1 Vikings 10-3 8-2 Rams 9-4 6-4 Saints 9-4 7-3 So down the stretch the Eagles go 1-2, Vikings 2-1, Rams 3-0, Saints 3-0 with each winning their division with the final records of: Team Record Conference Eagles 12-4 9-3 * Vikings 12-4 9-3 ** Rams 12-4 8-4 Saints 12-4 9-3 * Eagles go 0-2 in remaining 2 NFC games with Giants and Cowboys. Otherwise they win the #1 outright. ** Vikings go 1-1 in remaining 2 NFC games with Packers and Bears. Otherwise they win the #1 outright. So the first tiebreaker is head to head. No team beat each of the others, and no team lost to all of the others. So it's a wash. The second tiebreaker is conference record. The Rams are 8-4 in conference as opposed to the others at 9-3. They are elimiinated, thereby getting the 4th seed. The remaining three are back to the top. head to head is skipped as above, conference record is tied. Next, and now crucial is common games (minimum of 4 games each team). At the end the Eagles, Vikings, and Saints have the Rams, Bears, Panthers, and Redskins would result in records of 5-0 for the Eagles, 4-1 for the Vikings (loss to Panthers today), and 4-1 for the Saints (loss to Rams last week). Therefore the Eagles are awarded the top seed and the Vikings and Saints are thrown back in to the tiebreaker mixer. The Vikings win the head to head with the Saints and therefore get the second seed. So the seedings are: Seed Team Record Conference 1 Eagles 12-4 9-3 2 Vikings 12-4 9-3 3 Saints 12-4 9-3 4 Rams 12-4 8-4 The Eagles 5-0 in common games is in the bank. The Saints 4-1 is too. The Vikings have the Bears left. Win or lose they cannot match the Eagles 5-0 record. So in tied situations the Eagles come out on top of the other 3 because for common games for the Vikings and Saints and a win over the Rams. The Vikings beat both the Saints and the Rams, so comes out on top in any tiebreaker involving only the three either individually or collectively. So as you can see, each of the Vikings, Rams, and Saints were all rooting against Philly today. Unfortunately all were disappointed. In fact the above is the only tiebreaker that now helps the Saints at all with the current group of division leaders as it's the only one that gets the Saints the third seed. The better path to the third seed is Seattle beating the Rams next week putting them in the division lead in the West. First off that would put all of the West at least a game behind the Saints presuming that the Saints win out. In terms of any ties, the Saints holds the tiebreaker over Seattle the common opponents tiebreaker (Packers, FailClowns, Rams, Redskins) 3-2 (FailClowns, Rams losses) vs 2-3 (Packers, FailClowns,Redskins losses) operating on the presumption we take out the FailClowns on Christmas Eve. SFIAH hagan714, Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.
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