Can someone tell me how in a four way tie-breaker at 12-4

WillSaints81 · 12-17-2017, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

That Eagles/Rams result eliminated the chance of winning that tiebreaker. The only chance of the Saints getting the top seed is the Saints going 3-0 and everyone else (Rams,Vikings,Eagles) going 0-3.

OK let's see the current standings:

Team Record Conference
Eagles 11-2 9-1
Vikings 10-3 8-2
Rams 9-4 6-4
Saints 9-4 7-3

So down the stretch the Eagles go 1-2, Vikings 2-1, Rams 3-0, Saints 3-0 with each winning their division with the final records of:

Team Record Conference
Eagles 12-4 9-3 *
Vikings 12-4 9-3 **
Rams 12-4 8-4
Saints 12-4 9-3

* Eagles go 0-2 in remaining 2 NFC games with Giants and Cowboys. Otherwise they win the #1 outright.
** Vikings go 1-1 in remaining 2 NFC games with Packers and Bears. Otherwise they win the #1 outright.

So the first tiebreaker is head to head. No team beat each of the others, and no team lost to all of the others. So it's a wash.

The second tiebreaker is conference record. The Rams are 8-4 in conference as opposed to the others at 9-3. They are elimiinated, thereby getting the 4th seed. The remaining three are back to the top.

head to head is skipped as above, conference record is tied.

Next, and now crucial is common games (minimum of 4 games each team). At the end the Eagles, Vikings, and Saints have the Rams, Bears, Panthers, and Redskins would result in records of 5-0 for the Eagles, 4-1 for the Vikings (loss to Panthers today), and 4-1 for the Saints (loss to Rams last week). Therefore the Eagles are awarded the top seed and the Vikings and Saints are thrown back in to the tiebreaker mixer. The Vikings win the head to head with the Saints and therefore get the second seed. So the seedings are:

Seed Team Record Conference
1 Eagles 12-4 9-3
2 Vikings 12-4 9-3
3 Saints 12-4 9-3
4 Rams 12-4 8-4

The Eagles 5-0 in common games is in the bank. The Saints 4-1 is too. The Vikings have the Bears left. Win or lose they cannot match the Eagles 5-0 record. So in tied situations the Eagles come out on top of the other 3 because for common games for the Vikings and Saints and a win over the Rams. The Vikings beat both the Saints and the Rams, so comes out on top in any tiebreaker involving only the three either individually or collectively.
So as you can see, each of the Vikings, Rams, and Saints were all rooting against Philly today. Unfortunately all were disappointed.

In fact the above is the only tiebreaker that now helps the Saints at all with the current group of division leaders as it's the only one that gets the Saints the third seed. The better path to the third seed is Seattle beating the Rams next week putting them in the division lead in the West. First off that would put all of the West at least a game behind the Saints presuming that the Saints win out. In terms of any ties, the Saints holds the tiebreaker over Seattle the common opponents tiebreaker (Packers, FailClowns, Rams, Redskins) 3-2 (FailClowns, Rams losses) vs 2-3 (Packers, FailClowns,Redskins losses) operating on the presumption we take out the FailClowns on Christmas Eve.

SFIAH

I don't think that is how that works at all. The rams being out on second tie-breaker means they are out for the first seed, not the top three seeds. They return to the mix after the eagles is set.

arsaint · 12-18-2017, 12:16 AM

I had written about this possibility before the Falcons game but it is no longer possible.

At that time there was the possibility of the Eagles finishing 12-4 with 2 more NFC losses. They could still end 12-4 but they only have 1 more NFC game.

As a result, the 4 way tie that would have went to the Saints on strength of victory is gone.

Eagles would be #1 on NFC record. Then we fall into a tie with Rams and Vikings and unfortunately have lost to both.

Bye bye BYE...

CheramieIII · 12-18-2017, 07:56 AM

I don't care about tie breakers. We just need to take care of business and look at each games as the Superbowl. I do hope that we end up playing the Eagles in the NFC SHIP. I really don't think Foles had anything more than a fluke game yesterday and come on they were playing the freaking Giants, The Giants!

SaintFanInATLHELL · 12-18-2017, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

I don't think that is how that works at all. The rams being out on second tie-breaker means they are out for the first seed, not the top three seeds. They return to the mix after the eagles is set.

I believe that you are correct here. In that case the Saints would be dropped in round 2 with Minnesota and the Rams because they lost to each. And the Rams lost to Minnesota. So it would end up exactly the way it is now:

1. Philly
2. Minnesota
3. LA
4. New Orleans

SFIAH

Euphoria · 12-18-2017, 10:51 AM

Yes take care of business and not worry what others do.

This is way better than finishing 7-9 again and again.

We are on the right path finally and lets keep drafting the way we are doing!!!

CheramieIII · 12-19-2017, 03:36 AM

I can't believe I am doing this but here goes there is only one scenario left for us to get knocked out of the playoffs:

Detroit they win 2 and if we lose 2 we win on head to head
Seattle they will either lose to Dallas or win 2 if we lose 2 would lose on Conference Record
Dallas they will either lose to Seattle or win 2 if we lose 2 would lose on Conference Record

So If you guys want scenarios there it is. We can only be beat by Seattle or Dallas and the other is out with a loss to one another even if we lose both remaining games. No head to head so conference record would apply and we would lose to either of them. This means only one team can beat us.

That's what I've been saying all along. We've controlled our own destiny and if we would've beat the Falcons we would be in already and they would be out. WE JUST NEED TO WIN AND THE REST WILL TAKE CARE OF ITSELF!

dizzle88 · 12-19-2017, 07:08 AM

Dallas vs Seattle week 16

Dallas vs Philly Week 17

Seattle vs Arizona Week 17

There's a good chance Seattle win both of those games

If we lose to the Falcons and panthers beat the bucs, we absolutely have to beat the bucs just to get the number 6 playoff spot

I love still being in contention at this time of the season, but we better come out swinging and not making silly mistakes or we'll blow it completely.

12-17-2017, 11:57 PM	#21
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Can someone tell me how in a four way tie-breaker at 12-4 Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL That Eagles/Rams result eliminated the chance of winning that tiebreaker. The only chance of the Saints getting the top seed is the Saints going 3-0 and everyone else (Rams,Vikings,Eagles) going 0-3. OK let's see the current standings: Team Record Conference Eagles 11-2 9-1 Vikings 10-3 8-2 Rams 9-4 6-4 Saints 9-4 7-3 So down the stretch the Eagles go 1-2, Vikings 2-1, Rams 3-0, Saints 3-0 with each winning their division with the final records of: Team Record Conference Eagles 12-4 9-3 * Vikings 12-4 9-3 ** Rams 12-4 8-4 Saints 12-4 9-3 * Eagles go 0-2 in remaining 2 NFC games with Giants and Cowboys. Otherwise they win the #1 outright. ** Vikings go 1-1 in remaining 2 NFC games with Packers and Bears. Otherwise they win the #1 outright. So the first tiebreaker is head to head. No team beat each of the others, and no team lost to all of the others. So it's a wash. The second tiebreaker is conference record. The Rams are 8-4 in conference as opposed to the others at 9-3. They are elimiinated, thereby getting the 4th seed. The remaining three are back to the top. head to head is skipped as above, conference record is tied. Next, and now crucial is common games (minimum of 4 games each team). At the end the Eagles, Vikings, and Saints have the Rams, Bears, Panthers, and Redskins would result in records of 5-0 for the Eagles, 4-1 for the Vikings (loss to Panthers today), and 4-1 for the Saints (loss to Rams last week). Therefore the Eagles are awarded the top seed and the Vikings and Saints are thrown back in to the tiebreaker mixer. The Vikings win the head to head with the Saints and therefore get the second seed. So the seedings are: Seed Team Record Conference 1 Eagles 12-4 9-3 2 Vikings 12-4 9-3 3 Saints 12-4 9-3 4 Rams 12-4 8-4 The Eagles 5-0 in common games is in the bank. The Saints 4-1 is too. The Vikings have the Bears left. Win or lose they cannot match the Eagles 5-0 record. So in tied situations the Eagles come out on top of the other 3 because for common games for the Vikings and Saints and a win over the Rams. The Vikings beat both the Saints and the Rams, so comes out on top in any tiebreaker involving only the three either individually or collectively. So as you can see, each of the Vikings, Rams, and Saints were all rooting against Philly today. Unfortunately all were disappointed. In fact the above is the only tiebreaker that now helps the Saints at all with the current group of division leaders as it's the only one that gets the Saints the third seed. The better path to the third seed is Seattle beating the Rams next week putting them in the division lead in the West. First off that would put all of the West at least a game behind the Saints presuming that the Saints win out. In terms of any ties, the Saints holds the tiebreaker over Seattle the common opponents tiebreaker (Packers, FailClowns, Rams, Redskins) 3-2 (FailClowns, Rams losses) vs 2-3 (Packers, FailClowns,Redskins losses) operating on the presumption we take out the FailClowns on Christmas Eve. SFIAH I don't think that is how that works at all. The rams being out on second tie-breaker means they are out for the first seed, not the top three seeds. They return to the mix after the eagles is set.

12-18-2017, 12:16 AM	#22
arsaint Saint Historian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker, somewhere under the brick & steel of a nondescript building.. Posts: 2,705	Re: Can someone tell me how in a four way tie-breaker at 12-4 I had written about this possibility before the Falcons game but it is no longer possible. At that time there was the possibility of the Eagles finishing 12-4 with 2 more NFC losses. They could still end 12-4 but they only have 1 more NFC game. As a result, the 4 way tie that would have went to the Saints on strength of victory is gone. Eagles would be #1 on NFC record. Then we fall into a tie with Rams and Vikings and unfortunately have lost to both. Bye bye BYE...

12-18-2017, 07:56 AM	#23
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Can someone tell me how in a four way tie-breaker at 12-4 I don't care about tie breakers. We just need to take care of business and look at each games as the Superbowl. I do hope that we end up playing the Eagles in the NFC SHIP. I really don't think Foles had anything more than a fluke game yesterday and come on they were playing the freaking Giants, The Giants! Euphoria, Seer1 and K Major like this.

12-18-2017, 09:53 AM	#24
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Re: Can someone tell me how in a four way tie-breaker at 12-4 Originally Posted by WillSaints81 I don't think that is how that works at all. The rams being out on second tie-breaker means they are out for the first seed, not the top three seeds. They return to the mix after the eagles is set. I believe that you are correct here. In that case the Saints would be dropped in round 2 with Minnesota and the Rams because they lost to each. And the Rams lost to Minnesota. So it would end up exactly the way it is now: 1. Philly 2. Minnesota 3. LA 4. New Orleans SFIAH

12-18-2017, 10:51 AM	#25
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Can someone tell me how in a four way tie-breaker at 12-4 Yes take care of business and not worry what others do. This is way better than finishing 7-9 again and again. We are on the right path finally and lets keep drafting the way we are doing!!! Seer1 likes this.

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12-19-2017, 03:36 AM	#26
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Can someone tell me how in a four way tie-breaker at 12-4 I can't believe I am doing this but here goes there is only one scenario left for us to get knocked out of the playoffs: Detroit they win 2 and if we lose 2 we win on head to head Seattle they will either lose to Dallas or win 2 if we lose 2 would lose on Conference Record Dallas they will either lose to Seattle or win 2 if we lose 2 would lose on Conference Record So If you guys want scenarios there it is. We can only be beat by Seattle or Dallas and the other is out with a loss to one another even if we lose both remaining games. No head to head so conference record would apply and we would lose to either of them. This means only one team can beat us. That's what I've been saying all along. We've controlled our own destiny and if we would've beat the Falcons we would be in already and they would be out. WE JUST NEED TO WIN AND THE REST WILL TAKE CARE OF ITSELF!
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12-19-2017, 07:08 AM	#27
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Can someone tell me how in a four way tie-breaker at 12-4 Dallas vs Seattle week 16 Dallas vs Philly Week 17 Seattle vs Arizona Week 17 There's a good chance Seattle win both of those games If we lose to the Falcons and panthers beat the bucs, we absolutely have to beat the bucs just to get the number 6 playoff spot I love still being in contention at this time of the season, but we better come out swinging and not making silly mistakes or we'll blow it completely.

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