Saints fans sues over protests

burningmetal · 12-13-2017, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The Saints (backed and most likely prompted by the NFL) are fighting it for purposes of precedence. Letting fans demand money back and suing for it would be opening a can of worms. Now, if the guy had quietly gone to the Saints and asked for a refund they could have complied, but when the guy decided to make it high profile via lawsuit it entered a different realm. He clearly wanted to make a point and not just get his money back. The NFL has no choice but to answer the suit in court and they will most likely win with the guy not only being out the cost of his tickets, but also all court costs, which could easily dwarf the ticket costs.

He DID quietly go to them and ask for a refund, and they did not comply. So now he's suing them. The reason it's public knowledge is because reporters are always looking for something to talk about. How is that the problem of this fan?

If everyone were as passive about ever doing or saying anything negative towards their team as you are, fans everywhere would be completely screwed. Fans have to demand respect from the people who are charging them insane amounts of money to sit and watch a game... A GAME. Not a political rally.

Fans don't have official representation, and yet they are the driving force that keeps the league alive. So fans have to represent themselves and make demands. Will he win? Probably not. Will there be fallout as more and more stories like these come out? You better believe it. The NFL believes it has all the power because it has the money. They do have the money... For now. They are biting the hands that feed them.

AsylumGuido · 12-13-2017, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

He DID quietly go to them and ask for a refund, and they did not comply. So now he's suing them. The reason it's public knowledge is because reporters are always looking for something to talk about. How is that the problem of this fan?

If everyone were as passive about ever doing or saying anything negative towards their team as you are, fans everywhere would be completely screwed. Fans have to demand respect from the people who are charging them insane amounts of money to sit and watch a game... A GAME. Not a political rally.

Fans don't have official representation, and yet they are the driving force that keeps the league alive. So fans have to represent themselves and make demands. Will he win? Probably not. Will there be fallout as more and more stories like these come out? You better believe it. The NFL believes it has all the power because it has the money. They do have the money... For now. They are biting the hands that feed them.

How do you know that he quietly went to them and asked for a refund? I didn't see that anywhere.

Besides, if all he wanted was his money back he could have easily sold his tickets and season ticket rights for profit. They are highly desired.

In addition, the teams are not charging insane amounts of money to sit and watch a game. It is the fans themselves that are creating the insane numbers. The number of tickets available directly to the general public is a tiny percentage of actual seats in the venue. That vast majority is held by season ticket holders. A good percentage of those ticket holders sell their tickets at several times their original face value. That is what makes it insane. The season ticket holders are picking a few games to attend and getting every penny of their original investment back and most likely enough to easily cover any associated costs while at the game.

Edit: Okay, I finally found a story that said he said he asked the Saints to refund him $8000 to cover the cost of the tickets and costs associated with their purchase. That does not change the fact that it sets a bad precedent that could be used by any fan wanting out of their ticket purchase by claiming that something was offensive to them. I'm offended by visiting fans. Is that a basis for getting a refund?

Pete · 12-13-2017, 11:55 AM

I personally know the guy and he bleeds the red,white,and blue for sure.
He's a big business owner from around my territory and has plenty of cash flow to make it interesting to say the least lol

AsylumGuido · 12-13-2017, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Pete

I personally know the guy and he bleeds the red,white,and blue for sure.
He's a big business owner from around my territory and has plenty of cash flow to make it interesting to say the least lol

Since you know the guy personally, is he simply only wanting to get his season ticket money back or does he want to make a statement as I suggest?

Pete · 12-13-2017, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Since you know the guy personally, is he simply only wanting to get his season ticket money back or does he want to make a statement as I suggest?

Knowing Lee,It's the latter Guido.
He's not hurting for that amount of "pocket change"

saintfan · 12-13-2017, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by Pete

Knowing Lee,It's the latter Guido.
He's not hurting for that amount of "pocket change"

If he's actually involving lawyers over something that is ultimately this silly then he's either a fool or he's got money to burn.

Pete · 12-13-2017, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

If he's actually involving lawyers over something that is ultimately this silly then he's either a fool or he's got money to burn.

He's got the dinero to be heard

AsylumGuido · 12-13-2017, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Pete

Knowing Lee,It's the latter Guido.
He's not hurting for that amount of "pocket change"

Thanks, Pete. That's what I thought and was trying to point out to burningmetal.

Rugby Saint II · 12-13-2017, 01:08 PM

Maybe he didn't sell them on ebay because he wants to make a statement that he doesn't pay all that money to watch "the product" show their disapproval about their personal issues when they are their to perform not make political comments.

I respect that he is bringing awareness to his sense of justice.......

RailBoss · 12-13-2017, 03:54 PM

I'm sure he could easily sell the tickets to a real Who Dat.
Take the money and go buy Dirty Birds tickets it's not that far.
Arthur would love to have you on board.
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12-13-2017, 11:26 AM	#1
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints fans sues over protests Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The Saints (backed and most likely prompted by the NFL) are fighting it for purposes of precedence. Letting fans demand money back and suing for it would be opening a can of worms. Now, if the guy had quietly gone to the Saints and asked for a refund they could have complied, but when the guy decided to make it high profile via lawsuit it entered a different realm. He clearly wanted to make a point and not just get his money back. The NFL has no choice but to answer the suit in court and they will most likely win with the guy not only being out the cost of his tickets, but also all court costs, which could easily dwarf the ticket costs. He DID quietly go to them and ask for a refund, and they did not comply. So now he's suing them. The reason it's public knowledge is because reporters are always looking for something to talk about. How is that the problem of this fan? If everyone were as passive about ever doing or saying anything negative towards their team as you are, fans everywhere would be completely screwed. Fans have to demand respect from the people who are charging them insane amounts of money to sit and watch a game... A GAME. Not a political rally. Fans don't have official representation, and yet they are the driving force that keeps the league alive. So fans have to represent themselves and make demands. Will he win? Probably not. Will there be fallout as more and more stories like these come out? You better believe it. The NFL believes it has all the power because it has the money. They do have the money... For now. They are biting the hands that feed them.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

12-13-2017, 12:18 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Saints fans sues over protests Originally Posted by burningmetal He DID quietly go to them and ask for a refund, and they did not comply. So now he's suing them. The reason it's public knowledge is because reporters are always looking for something to talk about. How is that the problem of this fan? If everyone were as passive about ever doing or saying anything negative towards their team as you are, fans everywhere would be completely screwed. Fans have to demand respect from the people who are charging them insane amounts of money to sit and watch a game... A GAME. Not a political rally. Fans don't have official representation, and yet they are the driving force that keeps the league alive. So fans have to represent themselves and make demands. Will he win? Probably not. Will there be fallout as more and more stories like these come out? You better believe it. The NFL believes it has all the power because it has the money. They do have the money... For now. They are biting the hands that feed them. How do you know that he quietly went to them and asked for a refund? I didn't see that anywhere. Besides, if all he wanted was his money back he could have easily sold his tickets and season ticket rights for profit. They are highly desired. In addition, the teams are not charging insane amounts of money to sit and watch a game. It is the fans themselves that are creating the insane numbers. The number of tickets available directly to the general public is a tiny percentage of actual seats in the venue. That vast majority is held by season ticket holders. A good percentage of those ticket holders sell their tickets at several times their original face value. That is what makes it insane. The season ticket holders are picking a few games to attend and getting every penny of their original investment back and most likely enough to easily cover any associated costs while at the game. Edit: Okay, I finally found a story that said he said he asked the Saints to refund him $8000 to cover the cost of the tickets and costs associated with their purchase. That does not change the fact that it sets a bad precedent that could be used by any fan wanting out of their ticket purchase by claiming that something was offensive to them. I'm offended by visiting fans. Is that a basis for getting a refund? neugey, ScottF and Rugby Saint II like this.
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12-13-2017, 11:55 AM	#3
Pete • Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Patterson, LA Posts: 1,757	Re: Saints fans sues over protests I personally know the guy and he bleeds the red,white,and blue for sure. He's a big business owner from around my territory and has plenty of cash flow to make it interesting to say the least lol Halo and Rugby Saint II like this.

12-13-2017, 12:08 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Saints fans sues over protests Originally Posted by Pete I personally know the guy and he bleeds the red,white,and blue for sure. He's a big business owner from around my territory and has plenty of cash flow to make it interesting to say the least lol Since you know the guy personally, is he simply only wanting to get his season ticket money back or does he want to make a statement as I suggest? Halo likes this.
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12-13-2017, 02:56 PM	#5
Pete • Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Patterson, LA Posts: 1,757	Re: Saints fans sues over protests Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Since you know the guy personally, is he simply only wanting to get his season ticket money back or does he want to make a statement as I suggest? Knowing Lee,It's the latter Guido. He's not hurting for that amount of "pocket change"

12-13-2017, 03:18 PM	#6
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints fans sues over protests Originally Posted by Pete Knowing Lee,It's the latter Guido. He's not hurting for that amount of "pocket change" If he's actually involving lawyers over something that is ultimately this silly then he's either a fool or he's got money to burn. Utah_Saint and shawnkytonk like this.

12-13-2017, 03:38 PM	#7
Pete • Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Patterson, LA Posts: 1,757	Re: Saints fans sues over protests Originally Posted by saintfan If he's actually involving lawyers over something that is ultimately this silly then he's either a fool or he's got money to burn. He's got the dinero to be heard

12-13-2017, 04:17 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Saints fans sues over protests Originally Posted by Pete Knowing Lee,It's the latter Guido. He's not hurting for that amount of "pocket change" Thanks, Pete. That's what I thought and was trying to point out to burningmetal.

12-13-2017, 01:08 PM	#9
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,133	Re: Saints fans sues over protests Maybe he didn't sell them on ebay because he wants to make a statement that he doesn't pay all that money to watch "the product" show their disapproval about their personal issues when they are their to perform not make political comments. I respect that he is bringing awareness to his sense of justice....... SmashMouth and burningmetal like this.

12-13-2017, 03:54 PM	#10
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Saints fans sues over protests I'm sure he could easily sell the tickets to a real Who Dat. Take the money and go buy Dirty Birds tickets it's not that far. Arthur would love to have you on board. Flight Time 1 hour, 1 minute Driving Time 6 hours, 35 minutes

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