Drew Brees regains NFL's record for completion percentage in a season

burningmetal · 01-03-2018, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

An argument can be made, I think, that Peyton Manning was a game manager in his last year. We saw how that turned out.

And Drew Brees is a long long (really long) way from that.

Peyton Manning was a broken down shell of himself, and got benched. There is being a game manager, and being bad. Peyton was bad by that point. They won a super bowl with defense.

Same way the 2000 Ravens won with Trent Dilfer and an all time great defense.

Drew proved to be a pretty good game manager this year. But is that worth elite money? I'd argue that no, it isn't. But I have no doubt that is what he'll get.

saintfan · 01-03-2018, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Peyton Manning was a broken down shell of himself, and got benched. There is being a game manager, and being bad. Peyton was bad by that point. They won a super bowl with defense.

Same way the 2000 Ravens won with Trent Dilfer and an all time great defense.

Drew proved to be a pretty good game manager this year. But is that worth elite money? I'd argue that no, it isn't. But I have no doubt that is what he'll get.

Just can't accept any comparison of Drew Brees as a game manager. I'll agree that Trent Dilfer was the all time great 'game manager'. This is not Drew Brees.

Or, aren't all QBs game managers? It can only matter then which is the best of the managers, and I'd rank Drew Brees as high on that list as I would have in 2009. Today.

But if you consider a 'game manager' to be some sort of 'lesser' abled QB, which is how I would use the term, then we will just have to agree to disagree.

burningmetal · 01-04-2018, 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Just can't accept any comparison of Drew Brees as a game manager. I'll agree that Trent Dilfer was the all time great 'game manager'. This is not Drew Brees.

Or, aren't all QBs game managers? It can only matter then which is the best of the managers, and I'd rank Drew Brees as high on that list as I would have in 2009. Today.

But if you consider a 'game manager' to be some sort of 'lesser' abled QB, which is how I would use the term, then we will just have to agree to disagree.

Rather than repeat myself, I'll refer you to my post right above this one for my personal definition of a game manager.

As for Trent Dilfer, I don't even think he was a good game manager. He honestly did almost nothing. They were winning games 10-7 and 7-3. Drew is not a bad QB. He's still a very good one. But I don't see him showing a consistent ability to take over games when he doesn't have the luxury of an effective running game and defense. I respect if people disagree with me. But I'm making what I see as a legitimate observation.

He's a QB you'd rather have than not, compared to most of what's out there. But, I wouldn't pay more than he's making currently, if it were up to me.

AsylumGuido · 01-04-2018, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Peyton Manning was a broken down shell of himself, and got benched. There is being a game manager, and being bad. Peyton was bad by that point. They won a super bowl with defense.

Same way the 2000 Ravens won with Trent Dilfer and an all time great defense.

Drew proved to be a pretty good game manager this year. But is that worth elite money? I'd argue that no, it isn't. But I have no doubt that is what he'll get.

The point that you are not getting is that Brees isn't simply a game manager. If you actually watched the games you would see that he is just as capable as he has always been. All you see are his stats which you interpret as a drop-off in ability. The reality is that the running game and an improved defense have lessened the need for him to put up the huge numbers. It hasn't been necessary, but to be as good as the Saints can be it is vital that the capability is there if, and when, it is needed.

01-03-2018, 09:07 PM	#1
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Drew Brees regains NFL's record for completion percentage in a season Originally Posted by saintfan An argument can be made, I think, that Peyton Manning was a game manager in his last year. We saw how that turned out. And Drew Brees is a long long (really long) way from that. Peyton Manning was a broken down shell of himself, and got benched. There is being a game manager, and being bad. Peyton was bad by that point. They won a super bowl with defense. Same way the 2000 Ravens won with Trent Dilfer and an all time great defense. Drew proved to be a pretty good game manager this year. But is that worth elite money? I'd argue that no, it isn't. But I have no doubt that is what he'll get.

01-03-2018, 09:43 PM	#2
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Drew Brees regains NFL's record for completion percentage in a season Originally Posted by burningmetal Peyton Manning was a broken down shell of himself, and got benched. There is being a game manager, and being bad. Peyton was bad by that point. They won a super bowl with defense. Same way the 2000 Ravens won with Trent Dilfer and an all time great defense. Drew proved to be a pretty good game manager this year. But is that worth elite money? I'd argue that no, it isn't. But I have no doubt that is what he'll get. Just can't accept any comparison of Drew Brees as a game manager. I'll agree that Trent Dilfer was the all time great 'game manager'. This is not Drew Brees. Or, aren't all QBs game managers? It can only matter then which is the best of the managers, and I'd rank Drew Brees as high on that list as I would have in 2009. Today. But if you consider a 'game manager' to be some sort of 'lesser' abled QB, which is how I would use the term, then we will just have to agree to disagree.
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01-04-2018, 12:28 AM	#3
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Drew Brees regains NFL's record for completion percentage in a season Originally Posted by saintfan Just can't accept any comparison of Drew Brees as a game manager. I'll agree that Trent Dilfer was the all time great 'game manager'. This is not Drew Brees. Or, aren't all QBs game managers? It can only matter then which is the best of the managers, and I'd rank Drew Brees as high on that list as I would have in 2009. Today. But if you consider a 'game manager' to be some sort of 'lesser' abled QB, which is how I would use the term, then we will just have to agree to disagree. Rather than repeat myself, I'll refer you to my post right above this one for my personal definition of a game manager. As for Trent Dilfer, I don't even think he was a good game manager. He honestly did almost nothing. They were winning games 10-7 and 7-3. Drew is not a bad QB. He's still a very good one. But I don't see him showing a consistent ability to take over games when he doesn't have the luxury of an effective running game and defense. I respect if people disagree with me. But I'm making what I see as a legitimate observation. He's a QB you'd rather have than not, compared to most of what's out there. But, I wouldn't pay more than he's making currently, if it were up to me.
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01-04-2018, 07:24 AM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Drew Brees regains NFL's record for completion percentage in a season Originally Posted by burningmetal Peyton Manning was a broken down shell of himself, and got benched. There is being a game manager, and being bad. Peyton was bad by that point. They won a super bowl with defense. Same way the 2000 Ravens won with Trent Dilfer and an all time great defense. Drew proved to be a pretty good game manager this year. But is that worth elite money? I'd argue that no, it isn't. But I have no doubt that is what he'll get. The point that you are not getting is that Brees isn't simply a game manager. If you actually watched the games you would see that he is just as capable as he has always been. All you see are his stats which you interpret as a drop-off in ability. The reality is that the running game and an improved defense have lessened the need for him to put up the huge numbers. It hasn't been necessary, but to be as good as the Saints can be it is vital that the capability is there if, and when, it is needed. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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