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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Utah_Saint You don't often hear the term "game manager" and 4000 yard season in the same sentence. And nobody's ever heard of 8+ yards per attempt at a game managing completion percentage 72%. Game managing GOAT. 4,000 ...

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Old 01-02-2018, 02:21 AM   #1
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Re: Drew Brees regains NFL's record for completion percentage in a season

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You don't often hear the term "game manager" and 4000 yard season in the same sentence.

And nobody's ever heard of 8+ yards per attempt at a game managing completion percentage 72%.

Game managing GOAT.
4,000 doesn't mean a whole lot anymore.

Who is considered the ultimate "game manager" in the NFL today? Alex Smith, right? Here are his stats this year:

CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG TD LNG INT FUM QBR RAT
341 505 4,042 67.5 8.00 26 79 5 1 63.4 104.7

Here are Brees' stats:

CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG TD LNG INT FUM QBR RAT
386 536 4,334 72.0 8.09 23 54 8 5 61.1 103.9

Does anyone consider Smith elite? From everything I know about this season, Brees has relied on his backs to make big plays out of check downs. High completion percentage does not indicate the opposite of a game manager, either. It's actually to be expected, because of the short passing game. I'm not suggesting this is a terrible thing, but I don't think Brees is playing at an elite level anymore. The guy who broke his previous record (Sam Bradford) is certainly not considered elite, and is at best a game manager. So what does that stat really mean in today's NFL? It's pretty hard to say anymore.

The close comparison to Alex Smith's numbers this season would seem to back up my point. If you want to pay top dollar for that kind of production, good luck to you. This is how the league has gotten to this point where the Andy Dalton's of the world are getting paid like franchise players. Severe over-valuing. And no, I'm not suggesting Drew has dipped to Dalton's level.

Just my observation.

(for some annoying reason, no matter what I do, the numbers will not line up correctly with the stat columns when I post it, but hopefully you can read it well enough.)

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Old 01-02-2018, 07:18 AM   #2
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So far as weapons, Brees has plenty; just because he doesn't have Graham doesn't mean he doesn't have enough weapons around him...

The big question mark is where is Willie Snead as he was the guy who always seem to come through on those 3rd downs we're no longer converting...
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Re: Drew Brees regains NFL's record for completion percentage in a season

Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
So far as weapons, Brees has plenty; just because he doesn't have Graham doesn't mean he doesn't have enough weapons around him...

The big question mark is where is Willie Snead as he was the guy who always seem to come through on those 3rd downs we're no longer converting...
In the Tampa game, saw Willie open underneath a couple of times however Brees hit Ginn instead. Maybe Carolina will watch the film of this game & not "game plan" for Willie or Coleman for that matter.

If there is ever a game where we need to convert more 3rd downs & have Snead play a big part of it ... it must happen on Sunday.
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Drew could manage this team for several more years and I'm willing to pay top dollar fr it. He is the face of the franchise. You simply don't let that guy go!
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Re: Drew Brees regains NFL's record for completion percentage in a season

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Drew could manage this team for several more years and I'm willing to pay top dollar fr it. He is the face of the franchise. You simply don't let that guy go!
Well you are certainly entitled to that opinion. But I see game managers around the league that I could get for a lot less. If I were to pay top dollar for a player, I expect top notch results, regardless of what his name is, or what the perception of him is.

It's a business, and I don't believe in paying for sentimental reasons. I might be in the minority on this board, but I've always been more of the type to look at production, and I don't get attached to players very much.

That's not to say Drew isn't capable. But I am firmly of the belief that players diminish at this age, not matter what they try to say about their nutrition. Nutrition might help your ticker, but it won't save you from bone crushing hits over a long career. But I guess none of this is really my problem anymore. It'll be what it'll be.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Re: Drew Brees regains NFL's record for completion percentage in a season

In American football, a game manager is a quarterback who, despite relatively poor individual statistics such as passing yards and touchdowns, performs well enough to win games. Game managers often benefit from strong defense and rushing offense on their teams.
Game manager - Wikipedia


In 2017...
Highest accuracy (in NFL history) - 72%
Highest yards per attempt - 8.09
Most completions - 386
2nd highest passer rating - 103.9
4th highest total passing yards - 4,334
5th highest 1st down %

These are not "relatively poor individual statistics", therefore, Brees doesn't fit the definition of "game manager."

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...But I see game managers around the league that I could get for a lot less...
Drew Brees 2017 salary is 5th in the NFL at $24.25m/year. Brees is a good deal by comparison to other quarterbacks. You could pay less but you're gonna get less of a quarterback.
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Re: Drew Brees regains NFL's record for completion percentage in a season

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint View Post
In American football, a game manager is a quarterback who, despite relatively poor individual statistics such as passing yards and touchdowns, performs well enough to win games. Game managers often benefit from strong defense and rushing offense on their teams.
Game manager - Wikipedia


In 2017...
Highest accuracy (in NFL history) - 72%
Highest yards per attempt - 8.09
Most completions - 386
2nd highest passer rating - 103.9
4th highest total passing yards - 4,334
5th highest 1st down %

These are not "relatively poor individual statistics", therefore, Brees doesn't fit the definition of "game manager."



Drew Brees 2017 salary is 5th in the NFL at $24.25m/year. Brees is a good deal by comparison to other quarterbacks. You could pay less but you're gonna get less of a quarterback.
A game manager to me is someone who plays a more conservative style and relies on shirt passing and running game, and who is not someone who puts the team on his shoulders when the running game and defense aren't there.

That would seem to describe Drew, this year. He had Kamara make a lot of short plays turn into big gains, and he had a running game finally. But when you he needed to step up and win a game when the running game wasn't there, he didn't seem to do so well. Being a game manager doesn't mean you are poor, it means you are conservative. The Saints employ shirt passing as an extension of the running game, and that allows for Brees to easily get his 4,000 yards. He only had 22 touchdowns and, again, was the beneficiary of an explosive RB on screen plays.

I gave you the comparison to Alex Smith, whom everyone has labeled as a game manager. Very similar stats all across the board and also averaged 8 yards per pass.

If you can keep Drew at 24 million a year, fine. We're talking about the next contract, and I've heard numerous people saying he's easily worth 30 million. To which, I disagree.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Re: Drew Brees regains NFL's record for completion percentage in a season

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A game manager to me is someone who plays a more conservative style and relies on shirt passing and running game, and who is not someone who puts the team on his shoulders when the running game and defense aren't there.

That would seem to describe Drew, this year. He had Kamara make a lot of short plays turn into big gains, and he had a running game finally. But when you he needed to step up and win a game when the running game wasn't there, he didn't seem to do so well. Being a game manager doesn't mean you are poor, it means you are conservative. The Saints employ shirt passing as an extension of the running game, and that allows for Brees to easily get his 4,000 yards. He only had 22 touchdowns and, again, was the beneficiary of an explosive RB on screen plays.

I gave you the comparison to Alex Smith, whom everyone has labeled as a game manager. Very similar stats all across the board and also averaged 8 yards per pass.

If you can keep Drew at 24 million a year, fine. We're talking about the next contract, and I've heard numerous people saying he's easily worth 30 million. To which, I disagree.
How can you even make an argument about the physical ability of a player that you haven't even watched play? The Saints have had the ability to play a vastly different style of football this season based upon several favorable factors. The resulting statistics have nothing to do with the ability of the QB. You would know that if you had actually watched every snap Brees had played like the rest of us.
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Well you are certainly entitled to that opinion. But I see game managers around the league that I could get for a lot less. If I were to pay top dollar for a player, I expect top notch results, regardless of what his name is, or what the perception of him is.

It's a business, and I don't believe in paying for sentimental reasons. I might be in the minority on this board, but I've always been more of the type to look at production, and I don't get attached to players very much.

That's not to say Drew isn't capable. But I am firmly of the belief that players diminish at this age, not matter what they try to say about their nutrition. Nutrition might help your ticker, but it won't save you from bone crushing hits over a long career. But I guess none of this is really my problem anymore. It'll be what it'll be.
Herein lies your misconception. Not only is nutrition a factor in how much longer a QB can perform at higher levels these days as compared to as recently as ten years ago, but actual pounding that the position takes has decreased exponentially over than same period. Also not taken into consideration is the year round physical training that several of today's QB's employ, as well as recent advancements in medical care. You are basing your entire opinion about the effective longevity of the current day QB on factors that are no longer valid.

It is like basing the performance of a present day computer upon your experience with the one you owned ten years ago. It's like comparing apples and hard cider.
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