2005: The Hopeful Realist

saintswhodi · 04-20-2005, 10:15 AM

So basically, if you do it it\'s criticism, but if someone else does it it\'s pessimism? Yet another double standard? You\'re killing me Danno.

saintfan · 04-20-2005, 10:16 AM

WEbster\'s New World Dictionary says:

Pessimism: The tendencay to always expect the worst.

Honestly whodat, I mean no offense here, but don\'t you qualify? Regardless of who gets drafted or past performance etc, don\'t you always expect the worst. You may hope for the best -- we all do -- but you expect the worst, right?

Danno · 04-20-2005, 10:36 AM

So basically, if you do it it\'s criticism, but if someone else does it it\'s pessimism? Yet another double standard? You\'re killing me Danno.

Whodi, I know you know the difference between criticism and pessimism but I\'ll play along and give you a basic example.

Saints sign a quality free agent...

Critics reply. \"He\'s a decent player. He\'s a great pass rusher but only so-so against the run. He may improve but he still doesn\'t help our run defense much.\".

Pessimist reply: \"He sucks. Everyone we sign sucks so why is this guy different? This front office has no clue about anything. Saints screw up again. More of the same crap.\"

JKool · 04-20-2005, 10:42 AM

Again, what does this have to do with Saints Football? Someone please explain that to me.

LKelley67 · 04-20-2005, 10:43 AM

my sentiment will be much the same as whodat i believe...

No, not expect the worst, 0-16.

Yes, expect about the same, 32-32.

To replace one player on the absolutely worst defense in the league, maybe add one impacting replacement player via the draft... is that gonna makeover the defense to championship caliber? say, go from 32nd to 24th, optimistic but possible... you look up and find the last superbowl winner with a 24th or lower ranked defense. nudge into the playoffs and do nothing? could happen and be no surprise. it seems that will be plenty enough for many fans. not me.

saintswhodi · 04-20-2005, 10:44 AM

LMAO!!! That was pretty good Danno, and I very much understand the difference, even before that clever example. But I have yet to see anyone be THAT pessimistic, so I have to label them a critic no? But that was funny stuff.

Anyways, JKool mentioned in the other thread this is not football related, even though this post is about a personal labeling of someone for themselves. So let me go off topic of this thread and ask if you are pumped about the draft being a couple days away. Do you think the Saints plans of trying to use the Eagles and Raiders as smokescreens to drive up the price for Howard is gonna work, or backfire?

saintswhodi · 04-20-2005, 10:45 AM

Kool, no offense man, but in case you hadn\'t noticed, this thread was never about football to begin with. And we have kept in line with the topic it raises, same as the other thread. The post before this one I tried to bring it back to football just for you my man.

JKool · 04-20-2005, 10:51 AM

Nice work Whodi.

I\'m really not opposed to these threads when they are going well, but it is the kind of thing that turns sour fast.

I am also very confused as to why people are interested in determining who the optimists and pessimists are? I\'ve never really understood that. And I\'m sure that saying that one is a realist is merely asserting that one takes one\'s views to be more or less correct, and who doesn\'t think that?

Either way, I wasn\'t scolding anyone actually, I was more trying to provide a warning and an attempt to determine whay optimism and pessimism are interesting to us?

PS - I noticed these threads last night, and I told myself I\'d check in on them in the morning. I knew they weren\'t about Football. Though, oddly, sometimes some of the best discussions come about in very odd threads.

LKelley67 · 04-20-2005, 10:52 AM

right on whodi, this is a football forum isn\'t it?, not a forum about itself. let\'s cut the I AM thoughts and get back to draft picks. Go realize yourself in a philosophy forum.

JKool · 04-20-2005, 10:56 AM

PS - Whodi, :thumbsup:

04-20-2005, 10:15 AM	#11
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	2005: The Hopeful Realist So basically, if you do it it\'s criticism, but if someone else does it it\'s pessimism? Yet another double standard? You\'re killing me Danno.

04-20-2005, 10:16 AM	#12
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	2005: The Hopeful Realist WEbster\'s New World Dictionary says: Pessimism: The tendencay to always expect the worst. Honestly whodat, I mean no offense here, but don\'t you qualify? Regardless of who gets drafted or past performance etc, don\'t you always expect the worst. You may hope for the best -- we all do -- but you expect the worst, right?

04-20-2005, 10:36 AM	#13
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	2005: The Hopeful Realist So basically, if you do it it\'s criticism, but if someone else does it it\'s pessimism? Yet another double standard? You\'re killing me Danno. Whodi, I know you know the difference between criticism and pessimism but I\'ll play along and give you a basic example. Saints sign a quality free agent... Critics reply. \"He\'s a decent player. He\'s a great pass rusher but only so-so against the run. He may improve but he still doesn\'t help our run defense much.\". Pessimist reply: \"He sucks. Everyone we sign sucks so why is this guy different? This front office has no clue about anything. Saints screw up again. More of the same crap.\"

04-20-2005, 10:42 AM	#14
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	2005: The Hopeful Realist Again, what does this have to do with Saints Football? Someone please explain that to me.

04-20-2005, 10:43 AM	#15
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	2005: The Hopeful Realist my sentiment will be much the same as whodat i believe... No, not expect the worst, 0-16. Yes, expect about the same, 32-32. To replace one player on the absolutely worst defense in the league, maybe add one impacting replacement player via the draft... is that gonna makeover the defense to championship caliber? say, go from 32nd to 24th, optimistic but possible... you look up and find the last superbowl winner with a 24th or lower ranked defense. nudge into the playoffs and do nothing? could happen and be no surprise. it seems that will be plenty enough for many fans. not me.

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04-20-2005, 10:44 AM	#16
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	2005: The Hopeful Realist LMAO!!! That was pretty good Danno, and I very much understand the difference, even before that clever example. But I have yet to see anyone be THAT pessimistic, so I have to label them a critic no? But that was funny stuff. Anyways, JKool mentioned in the other thread this is not football related, even though this post is about a personal labeling of someone for themselves. So let me go off topic of this thread and ask if you are pumped about the draft being a couple days away. Do you think the Saints plans of trying to use the Eagles and Raiders as smokescreens to drive up the price for Howard is gonna work, or backfire?

04-20-2005, 10:45 AM	#17
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	2005: The Hopeful Realist Kool, no offense man, but in case you hadn\'t noticed, this thread was never about football to begin with. And we have kept in line with the topic it raises, same as the other thread. The post before this one I tried to bring it back to football just for you my man.

04-20-2005, 10:51 AM	#18
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	2005: The Hopeful Realist Nice work Whodi. I\'m really not opposed to these threads when they are going well, but it is the kind of thing that turns sour fast. I am also very confused as to why people are interested in determining who the optimists and pessimists are? I\'ve never really understood that. And I\'m sure that saying that one is a realist is merely asserting that one takes one\'s views to be more or less correct, and who doesn\'t think that? Either way, I wasn\'t scolding anyone actually, I was more trying to provide a warning and an attempt to determine whay optimism and pessimism are interesting to us? PS - I noticed these threads last night, and I told myself I\'d check in on them in the morning. I knew they weren\'t about Football. Though, oddly, sometimes some of the best discussions come about in very odd threads.
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04-20-2005, 10:52 AM	#19
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	2005: The Hopeful Realist right on whodi, this is a football forum isn\'t it?, not a forum about itself. let\'s cut the I AM thoughts and get back to draft picks. Go realize yourself in a philosophy forum.

04-20-2005, 10:56 AM	#20
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	2005: The Hopeful Realist PS - Whodi, :thumbsup: