Saint_LB

Why, the very idea that someone who has followed the Saints for all this time would be pessimistic!!! Some people....there is just no pleasing some people.

Seriously, though. The fact that we have only won one playoff game in 38 years...that is REAL. The notion that we will go to the Superbowl this year or deep into the playoffs this year despite all of our past failures...that is a FANTASY!! Some people need to be able to sort out between the two.

Also, going to a place where you are going to find 100% of the people in attendance to be Saint fans, and expecting to find a normal amount of pessimist vs optimist is absurd. It would be different if you were going to a forum of any team who had just a reasonable amount of success in the past. Personally, in this particular case, I think the people who show a huge amount of optimism despite the past are the ones that have something to prove. PROVE TO US THAT THIS YEAR WILL BE ANY DIFFERENT THAN ANY YEAR IN THE PAST. The problem is that you can\'t. Unfortunately, all the talking and predicting will not make winners out of the Saints. It has to be done on the field.

Whether you think you can or think you can't...you're right!

LKelley67

we\'ve been close, close to the playoffs, if we have a little luck in the draft, a little luck in the season, maybe, somehow...

sure i HOPE for that. (see hopeful realist thread)

i however do not preceive the substance within this organization to have FAITH in that though. i would much prefer an organization that inspired faith. jeff fisher as a coach inspires confidence whether his team went to the superbowl or was 5-11 last year. the team with a very similar character and record as this one, minnesota, had a front office that took bold action after several years of mediocrity at the fringes of the playoffs. i am not satisfied with a team that just eeks into the playoffs. i am not satisfied with just not being the bottom tier and playing .500 ball. i want an organization that will be satisfied with nothing less than a ring. and even more important, a front office that makes clear statements they are doing all in their power to bring a championship, a coaching staff that has a clear vision and knows how to implement it, and players that show both their ability and determination to win.

was the four game run at the end of the season nice? oh yeah. the carolina game looked like the team of some of the goals i stated above. but then they were the antitype against arizona and denver. that erraticness is the mo now proven over 4 years. it will take a full season of performance like those last four games (with several of the carolina-like stand-up performances) to get to the next level.

belief comes from substantial performance, the substance doesn\'t materialize from fans believing.

saintswhodi

Yeah, if the shoe fits, it\'s usually cause Danno filled it with :icon_bs: Let\'s see how. I have never knocked Bentley, Watson, Deuce, Stallworth, Grant, Smith, McKenzie(actually defended him during his recent rants), Montrae, Fakhir, applauded getting Dwight Smith, applauded Mayberry if he is gonna play guard.

In the draft I have said I would love DJ, Mike Williams, Thomas Davis, one of the top QBs if they fell, Rolle, Barron, Nugent the kicker in the 2nd if we have an extra pick, Campbell, McPherson, Anthony Davis as a backup RB, Chris Henry, Vincent Jackson, or the WR from Purdue Stubblefield in the late rounds. So in summary, in order to place yourself as an optimist you make up stuff about someone and call them a pessimist. Thanks for making that clear.

[Edited on 20/4/2005 by saintswhodi]

Danno

Show me some of that BS junior. And did I call you out specifically or did you assume I was referring to you.
For the record I don\'t consider you nearly as pessimistic as the vast majority of posters on this board. I think you think I\'m referring to anyone who is critical is a pessimist. Nothing could be farther form the truth. I\'ve been critical of many things. Doesn\'t mean I\'m a pessimist.
You do, more often than not, give valid reasons for you\'re criticisms. Thats not pessimism. I don\'t think you understand what pessimism truly is.

saintswhodi

But I think I do cause like I said, the pessimist would predict 0-16, and noone has done that. I asked for a person who does what you said, which is NEVER say anything good about the Saints and poo-pooed ALL draft picks. You said if the shoe fits. Now since I was the one asking, I would have to draw the line that it was directed to me. But if not, I apologize. I still though don\'t see anyone who is as pessimistic as you are claiming. Maybe you are confusing pessimism with skepticism? SO can it be the optimists verse the skeptics? Olive branch?

JKool

Well, this thread is going incredibly amicably for a thread that is about posters and not about football. Kudos.

The pessimism/optimism/realism debate is not a debate about football. Sure, people mention football in order to show who is a pessimist/optimist and claim they are the realist, but otherwise this has no real football content.

I suggest that someone show me how this relates to Saints Football, OR I suggest that I will move these to the Everything Else board.

I\'m not terribly opposed to stuff that is a bit off track if it bring members of the board together, but I\'m not sure that this discussion is such a thing.

"... I was beating them with my eyes the whole game..." - Aaron Brooks

saintswhodi

That\'s bringing people together Kool.

JKool

True.

But I think you took my meaning.

:dancing:

Danno

Yeah, I\'d classify you (and probably WhoDat also) as more skeptical than pessimistic. I\'d say a bit overly-skeptical but thats my opinion. I know you\'ve read time and time again the pessimism posts that litter nearly every Saints forum I know of.
Anyway we\'re getting off topic. PM me if you\'d like to discuss further.
I wanna talk football.

JKool

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