I'm an OPTIMISTIC REALIST

saintswhodi · 04-20-2005, 10:47 AM

So go back to the other thread where I brought football into a non-football thread, which both of these were.

LKelley67 · 04-20-2005, 10:48 AM

good job koolio. i posted in here but frankly this kinda crap does nothing but tire ya out, pissin n moanin about each other.

hey, wassup with the no posting on the draft pick threads? for as engaged as folks seemed to be about doing scouting and front office work the lack of response kinda baffles me.

saintswhodi · 04-20-2005, 10:52 AM

Honestly Kelley, I think we are all so beat down from all the threads on the draft, picks, Howard, etc. most are just waiting for the draft to start and be over so we can discuss in a new direction. You got a fever most can\'t match man.

JKool · 04-20-2005, 10:53 AM

LK,

I was wondering about that myself.

I\'ve noticed though that threads that have extra rules about participation usually get fewer responses. Also, for all the pissing contests about who is the better predictor, etc. that occur around here, I note that very few predictions actually get made.

LKelley67 · 04-20-2005, 10:53 AM

LOL, i guess pondering if LeFors is more likely a 4th or 5th rounder is pretty bad.

JKool · 04-20-2005, 10:54 AM

I think 5th. His arm strength is in question, isn\'t it?

saintswhodi · 04-20-2005, 10:56 AM

I\'ve noticed though that threads that have extra rules about participation usually get fewer responses.

Now that is true. If it takes any measure of going beyond simply reading an article, voicing your opinion, and defending it, doesn\'t seem like much response is garnered. I know I am that way. I like discussing the topics, without it being formatted, which doing things like mock drafts and such are. Not that it couldn\'t be fun, but I am mainly on here at work and that would be TOO much abuse of power to do all that research.

WhoDat · 04-20-2005, 11:38 AM

Uh...FACT CHECK - Every year of the Haslett/Loomis/Meuller regime has actually been different. From total makeover to continuity/tweaking. Its been far from the same thing every offseason.

I love this argument. It\'s one of my favorite.

Everything has been different!!... except the results. LOL

HOW the Saints have gone about failing at bucking mediocrity has changed each year, I don\'t argue that. In fact, I\'ve said that the \"new and improved\" strategy that Haslett installs every year (new offensive mentality this year, tweeking/gelling the year before, defensive makeover to speed a year earlier, defensive makeover to big before that...) is a big part of the problem, IMO.

But you ignore the relevant issue. The bottom line is that the Saints have continued to refuse to ADEQUATELY address the major areas of need. Do you dispute that? They continue to try to prove that they can outsmart the rest of the league by passing on Trufant and signing Sullivan, passing on Claiborne to sign Ruff, etc.

But maybe you\'re right Danno. Maybe the Saints are incredibly innovative. Afterall, how many teams in the league could employ this wide an array of different strategies and tactics year in and year out and consistently produce nearly the exact same results?

Danno · 04-20-2005, 12:07 PM

[quote:9a7c3a8106]But maybe you\'re right Danno. Maybe the Saints are incredibly innovative. Afterall, how many teams in the league could employ this wide an array of different strategies and tactics year in and year out and consistently produce nearly the exact same results?

But maybe I never said that they were incredibly innovative.

But maybe you\'re right WhoDat. Even if we addressed the major needs we\'d still suck.

Maybe you\'re right WhoDat, Joe Horn IS an over-rated selfish player.

Maybe you\'re right WhoDat, AB is THE only reason we\'re not 4-12.

Hey this is fun...

Maybe you\'re right WhoDat...Deuce, Bentley, Horn, Howard and Grant are all team cancers and should be cut immediatley.

You may think all those things but personally I don\'t think so.

Lets try to keep it realistic, shall we?

WhoDat\"But you ignore the relevant issue. The bottom line is that the Saints have continued to refuse to ADEQUATELY address the major areas of need. Do you dispute that?\"

No, thats why I gave them this off-season grade...
Danno-\"Addressing the major needs, D\"
Do you need a link?

[Edited on 20/4/2005 by Danno]

Tobias-Reiper · 04-20-2005, 12:27 PM

[musing]

..what ever happened with the \"middle ground\"?
..why is it that, if you are not an \"optimist\", you are \"pessimist\"?
...what ever happened to skepticism?

..you cannot be an \"optimist\" and a \"realist\" at the same time...

..a train leaves St Louis for Chicago, and it is half way there...
Optimist - \"it will make it to Chicago\"
Realist - \"it is half way there\"
Pessimist - \" it will never get there\"
Optimist - \" how can you say that? The train left the station in perfect shape and the conductor has years of experience running that route\"
Pessimist - \" a cow can cross the tracks and de-rail the train... the conductor can have a hard attack..\"
Realist - \" it\'s half way there\"...

[/musing]

04-20-2005, 10:47 AM	#31
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	I'm an OPTIMISTIC REALIST So go back to the other thread where I brought football into a non-football thread, which both of these were.

04-20-2005, 10:48 AM	#32
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	I'm an OPTIMISTIC REALIST good job koolio. i posted in here but frankly this kinda crap does nothing but tire ya out, pissin n moanin about each other. hey, wassup with the no posting on the draft pick threads? for as engaged as folks seemed to be about doing scouting and front office work the lack of response kinda baffles me.

04-20-2005, 10:52 AM	#33
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	I'm an OPTIMISTIC REALIST Honestly Kelley, I think we are all so beat down from all the threads on the draft, picks, Howard, etc. most are just waiting for the draft to start and be over so we can discuss in a new direction. You got a fever most can\'t match man.

04-20-2005, 10:53 AM	#34
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	I'm an OPTIMISTIC REALIST LK, I was wondering about that myself. I\'ve noticed though that threads that have extra rules about participation usually get fewer responses. Also, for all the pissing contests about who is the better predictor, etc. that occur around here, I note that very few predictions actually get made.

04-20-2005, 10:53 AM	#35
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	I'm an OPTIMISTIC REALIST LOL, i guess pondering if LeFors is more likely a 4th or 5th rounder is pretty bad.

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04-20-2005, 10:54 AM	#36
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	I'm an OPTIMISTIC REALIST I think 5th. His arm strength is in question, isn\'t it?

04-20-2005, 10:56 AM	#37
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	I'm an OPTIMISTIC REALIST I\'ve noticed though that threads that have extra rules about participation usually get fewer responses. Now that is true. If it takes any measure of going beyond simply reading an article, voicing your opinion, and defending it, doesn\'t seem like much response is garnered. I know I am that way. I like discussing the topics, without it being formatted, which doing things like mock drafts and such are. Not that it couldn\'t be fun, but I am mainly on here at work and that would be TOO much abuse of power to do all that research.

04-20-2005, 11:38 AM	#38
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	I'm an OPTIMISTIC REALIST Uh...FACT CHECK - Every year of the Haslett/Loomis/Meuller regime has actually been different. From total makeover to continuity/tweaking. Its been far from the same thing every offseason. I love this argument. It\'s one of my favorite. Everything has been different!!... except the results. LOL HOW the Saints have gone about failing at bucking mediocrity has changed each year, I don\'t argue that. In fact, I\'ve said that the \"new and improved\" strategy that Haslett installs every year (new offensive mentality this year, tweeking/gelling the year before, defensive makeover to speed a year earlier, defensive makeover to big before that...) is a big part of the problem, IMO. But you ignore the relevant issue. The bottom line is that the Saints have continued to refuse to ADEQUATELY address the major areas of need. Do you dispute that? They continue to try to prove that they can outsmart the rest of the league by passing on Trufant and signing Sullivan, passing on Claiborne to sign Ruff, etc. But maybe you\'re right Danno. Maybe the Saints are incredibly innovative. Afterall, how many teams in the league could employ this wide an array of different strategies and tactics year in and year out and consistently produce nearly the exact same results?
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

04-20-2005, 12:07 PM	#39
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	I'm an OPTIMISTIC REALIST [quote:9a7c3a8106]But maybe you\'re right Danno. Maybe the Saints are incredibly innovative. Afterall, how many teams in the league could employ this wide an array of different strategies and tactics year in and year out and consistently produce nearly the exact same results? But maybe I never said that they were incredibly innovative. But maybe you\'re right WhoDat. Even if we addressed the major needs we\'d still suck. Maybe you\'re right WhoDat, Joe Horn IS an over-rated selfish player. Maybe you\'re right WhoDat, AB is THE only reason we\'re not 4-12. Hey this is fun... Maybe you\'re right WhoDat...Deuce, Bentley, Horn, Howard and Grant are all team cancers and should be cut immediatley. You may think all those things but personally I don\'t think so. Lets try to keep it realistic, shall we? WhoDat\"But you ignore the relevant issue. The bottom line is that the Saints have continued to refuse to ADEQUATELY address the major areas of need. Do you dispute that?\" No, thats why I gave them this off-season grade... Danno-\"Addressing the major needs, D\" Do you need a link? [Edited on 20/4/2005 by Danno]

04-20-2005, 12:27 PM	#40
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	I'm an OPTIMISTIC REALIST [musing] ..what ever happened with the \"middle ground\"? ..why is it that, if you are not an \"optimist\", you are \"pessimist\"? ...what ever happened to skepticism? ..you cannot be an \"optimist\" and a \"realist\" at the same time... ..a train leaves St Louis for Chicago, and it is half way there... Optimist - \"it will make it to Chicago\" Realist - \"it is half way there\" Pessimist - \" it will never get there\" Optimist - \" how can you say that? The train left the station in perfect shape and the conductor has years of experience running that route\" Pessimist - \" a cow can cross the tracks and de-rail the train... the conductor can have a hard attack..\" Realist - \" it\'s half way there\"... [/musing]
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