2018 NFL Free Agency

FinSaint · 04-03-2018, 01:36 PM

Seems weird that Davis is being so undervalued since many "experts" had him ranked as the #1 LB going into free agency.

The more I've read about him, the more excited I am about the signing. Sure, it would've been nice to get him cheaper, but this was reportedly what they had to pay him in order to win over the other suitors.

He seems like a true locker room leader and an on-the-field general, who could very well outshine the last gang green MLB the Saints had.

K Major · 04-03-2018, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Seems weird that Davis is being so undervalued since many "experts" had him ranked as the #1 LB going into free agency.

The more I've read about him, the more excited I am about the signing. Sure, it would've been nice to get him cheaper, but this was reportedly what they had to pay him in order to win over the other suitors.

He seems like a true locker room leader and an on-the-field general, who could very well outshine the last gang green MLB the Saints had.

+1.

His contract seems in line, especially when considering salaries (source - spotrac) on other MLB such as Kuechly, Anthony Hitchens, Bobby Wagner & Alex Olgetree. Davis appears to be on par with BMarshall & Zach Brown. He was top 10 at his position & it looks as if he was paid right around that slot.

Dude loves that he is playing close to home, #9 is his QB & Payton is his HC. He has that Ben Watson "vibe" about him. Nolan will coach a good one.

One important thing for me ... rarely misses work (played in 78 of 79 games) & balls on Sundays

. I think we got better in the middle on D.

ChrisXVI · 04-03-2018, 04:58 PM

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Patriots are trading WR Brandin Cooks and a fourth-round pick to LA Rams for the 23rd overall pick in the first round of the 2018 NFL Draft and a sixth-round pick, league sources told ESPN.
4:49 PM · Apr 3, 2018

Holy cow! That’s an unbelievable surprise.

dizzle88 · 04-03-2018, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Patriots are trading WR Brandin Cooks and a fourth-round pick to LA Rams for the 23rd overall pick in the first round of the 2018 NFL Draft and a sixth-round pick, league sources told ESPN.
4:49 PM · Apr 3, 2018

Holy cow! That’s an unbelievable surprise.

"Closed mouths don't get fed....."

frydaddy · 04-03-2018, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

"Closed mouths don't get fed....."

And open mouths get shipped outta town!

jeanpierre · 04-03-2018, 10:20 PM

We overpaid for Davis, period. That's not to say he won't be a value addition, but we overpaid for a guy who's only had one good season...

And the Saints FO did so for two reasons; first, shell-shock from the alarming injuries at the LBing position last season; and two, there was some sting they failed again to close and couldn't sway Jimmy Graham to sign back home...

Not that not overpaying was the wrong move with Graham - it was the right move. But not being able to convince him to come home at market value and become a Saints superstar again on a Title Run - they didn't have enough cache'...

saintfan · 04-04-2018, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Not that not overpaying was the wrong move with Graham - it was the right move. But not being able to convince him to come home at market value and become a Saints superstar again on a Title Run - they didn't have enough cache'...

Or maybe the NFLPA told him not to sign here and he let them lead him around on their leash (again)...

AsylumGuido · 04-04-2018, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Or maybe the NFLPA told him not to sign here and he let them lead him around on their leash (again)...

Since you brought that up again, I have had a question that I have been meaning to ask you.

Why, even if it was Graham being the driving force behind the challenging of the franchise tag designation, does it bother you? Why would you have an issue with it in the first place? He was always going to work out the new deal with the Saints anyway and was not going to be playing under the tag, therefore it wasn't going to affect the Saints cap even if he won the challenge.

All along it was a fuzzy area within the CBA that needed to be cleared up. Both the NFLPA and the NFL front office appeared to have wanted the subject resolved, as well. Even if the NFLPA wasn't urging Graham to pursue the challenge (which I have no doubt they urged him quite a bit), what makes Graham such a bad guy in your eyes for doing so?

I found the whole thing interesting and really never got the reaction of some of the fan base toward Graham who was little more than an outside observer wanting for the whole thing to be over so he could join him teammates, which he did just before training camp.

saintfan · 04-04-2018, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Since you brought that up again, I have had a question that I have been meaning to ask you.

Why, even if it was Graham being the driving force behind the challenging of the franchise tag designation, does it bother you? Why would you have an issue with it in the first place?

Because the mantra coming out of his mouth was entirely opposite of his actions. Because he attempted to represent himself as "merely a pawn" of the NFLPA. Because he seemed to act as though the whole thing was out of his control. Because he was not a WR, was never a WR, still has never been a WR, and is never going to be a WR. He's a TE. I know it. You know it. His agent knew it. The NFLPA knew it. And, Jimmy knew it too.

At the end of the day, for whatever the reason(s) that you and I will surely never agree on, I lost a lot of respect for him.

AsylumGuido · 04-04-2018, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Because the mantra coming out of his mouth was entirely opposite of his actions. Because he attempted to represent himself as "merely a pawn" of the NFLPA. Because he seemed to act as though the whole thing was out of his control. Because he was not a WR, was never a WR, still has never been a WR, and is never going to be a WR. He's a TE. I know it. You know it. His agent knew it. The NFLPA knew it. And, Jimmy knew it too.

At the end of the day, for whatever the reason(s) that you and I will surely never agree on, I lost a lot of respect for him.

Wait a minute. At NO point did Graham EVER attempt to represent himself as a pawn. Not one time. That was the opinion of the legal analysts and I, of course, agree. I used the word pawn. Perhaps you took that as being to strong. He was, of course, willing to go along with the NFLPA's wishes. Why not? What harm would there be to help clarify the designation rules?

And, at NO point did Graham EVER act as the whole thing was out of his control. Brees did comment in an interview that Graham was anxious to get the whole deal over with. That was the only mention of how Graham felt. That doesn't mean the "whole thing" was out of his control. I am saying that the idea to challenge belonged to the NFLPA and Graham obviously saw no reason to not challenge. What would it hurt. The vast majority of the time that litigation was occurring was during the down time between OTA's and training camp.

And, yes. Jimmy Graham even had his twitter signature stating he was an "NFL tight end" the whole time. But that doesn't explain why you are pissed off about it. It was simply a ruling that needed to be resolved within the CBA definitions.

Once again, why does it upset you so much? How did it affect you adversely?

Even if he was personally trying to get paid as a WR, what business is it of yours? Does it take money out of your pocket? How does it hurt you?

04-03-2018, 03:25 PM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,823 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2018 NFL Free Agency Originally Posted by FinSaint Seems weird that Davis is being so undervalued since many "experts" had him ranked as the #1 LB going into free agency. The more I've read about him, the more excited I am about the signing. Sure, it would've been nice to get him cheaper, but this was reportedly what they had to pay him in order to win over the other suitors. He seems like a true locker room leader and an on-the-field general, who could very well outshine the last gang green MLB the Saints had. +1. His contract seems in line, especially when considering salaries (source - spotrac) on other MLB such as Kuechly, Anthony Hitchens, Bobby Wagner & Alex Olgetree. Davis appears to be on par with BMarshall & Zach Brown. He was top 10 at his position & it looks as if he was paid right around that slot. Dude loves that he is playing close to home, #9 is his QB & Payton is his HC. He has that Ben Watson "vibe" about him. Nolan will coach a good one. One important thing for me ... rarely misses work (played in 78 of 79 games) & balls on Sundays . I think we got better in the middle on D.

04-03-2018, 04:58 PM	#3
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2018 NFL Free Agency Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter Patriots are trading WR Brandin Cooks and a fourth-round pick to LA Rams for the 23rd overall pick in the first round of the 2018 NFL Draft and a sixth-round pick, league sources told ESPN. 4:49 PM · Apr 3, 2018 Holy cow! That’s an unbelievable surprise.

04-03-2018, 05:07 PM	#4
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,532	Re: 2018 NFL Free Agency Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter Patriots are trading WR Brandin Cooks and a fourth-round pick to LA Rams for the 23rd overall pick in the first round of the 2018 NFL Draft and a sixth-round pick, league sources told ESPN. 4:49 PM · Apr 3, 2018 Holy cow! That’s an unbelievable surprise. "Closed mouths don't get fed....."

04-03-2018, 06:09 PM	#5
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,964 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2018 NFL Free Agency Originally Posted by dizzle88 "Closed mouths don't get fed....." And open mouths get shipped outta town!

04-03-2018, 10:20 PM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2018 NFL Free Agency We overpaid for Davis, period. That's not to say he won't be a value addition, but we overpaid for a guy who's only had one good season... And the Saints FO did so for two reasons; first, shell-shock from the alarming injuries at the LBing position last season; and two, there was some sting they failed again to close and couldn't sway Jimmy Graham to sign back home... Not that not overpaying was the wrong move with Graham - it was the right move. But not being able to convince him to come home at market value and become a Saints superstar again on a Title Run - they didn't have enough cache'...
	It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way...

04-03-2018, 01:36 PM	#1
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: 2018 NFL Free Agency Seems weird that Davis is being so undervalued since many "experts" had him ranked as the #1 LB going into free agency. The more I've read about him, the more excited I am about the signing. Sure, it would've been nice to get him cheaper, but this was reportedly what they had to pay him in order to win over the other suitors. He seems like a true locker room leader and an on-the-field general, who could very well outshine the last gang green MLB the Saints had.

04-04-2018, 08:04 AM	#7
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: 2018 NFL Free Agency Originally Posted by jeanpierre Not that not overpaying was the wrong move with Graham - it was the right move. But not being able to convince him to come home at market value and become a Saints superstar again on a Title Run - they didn't have enough cache'... Or maybe the NFLPA told him not to sign here and he let them lead him around on their leash (again)...

04-04-2018, 08:36 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,607	Re: 2018 NFL Free Agency Originally Posted by saintfan Or maybe the NFLPA told him not to sign here and he let them lead him around on their leash (again)... Since you brought that up again, I have had a question that I have been meaning to ask you. Why, even if it was Graham being the driving force behind the challenging of the franchise tag designation, does it bother you? Why would you have an issue with it in the first place? He was always going to work out the new deal with the Saints anyway and was not going to be playing under the tag, therefore it wasn't going to affect the Saints cap even if he won the challenge. All along it was a fuzzy area within the CBA that needed to be cleared up. Both the NFLPA and the NFL front office appeared to have wanted the subject resolved, as well. Even if the NFLPA wasn't urging Graham to pursue the challenge (which I have no doubt they urged him quite a bit), what makes Graham such a bad guy in your eyes for doing so? I found the whole thing interesting and really never got the reaction of some of the fan base toward Graham who was little more than an outside observer wanting for the whole thing to be over so he could join him teammates, which he did just before training camp.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

04-04-2018, 08:55 AM	#9
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: 2018 NFL Free Agency Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Since you brought that up again, I have had a question that I have been meaning to ask you. Why, even if it was Graham being the driving force behind the challenging of the franchise tag designation, does it bother you? Why would you have an issue with it in the first place? Because the mantra coming out of his mouth was entirely opposite of his actions. Because he attempted to represent himself as "merely a pawn" of the NFLPA. Because he seemed to act as though the whole thing was out of his control. Because he was not a WR, was never a WR, still has never been a WR, and is never going to be a WR. He's a TE. I know it. You know it. His agent knew it. The NFLPA knew it. And, Jimmy knew it too. At the end of the day, for whatever the reason(s) that you and I will surely never agree on, I lost a lot of respect for him.
	C'mon Man...

04-04-2018, 10:02 AM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,607	Re: 2018 NFL Free Agency Originally Posted by saintfan Because the mantra coming out of his mouth was entirely opposite of his actions. Because he attempted to represent himself as "merely a pawn" of the NFLPA. Because he seemed to act as though the whole thing was out of his control. Because he was not a WR, was never a WR, still has never been a WR, and is never going to be a WR. He's a TE. I know it. You know it. His agent knew it. The NFLPA knew it. And, Jimmy knew it too. At the end of the day, for whatever the reason(s) that you and I will surely never agree on, I lost a lot of respect for him. Wait a minute. At NO point did Graham EVER attempt to represent himself as a pawn. Not one time. That was the opinion of the legal analysts and I, of course, agree. I used the word pawn. Perhaps you took that as being to strong. He was, of course, willing to go along with the NFLPA's wishes. Why not? What harm would there be to help clarify the designation rules? And, at NO point did Graham EVER act as the whole thing was out of his control. Brees did comment in an interview that Graham was anxious to get the whole deal over with. That was the only mention of how Graham felt. That doesn't mean the "whole thing" was out of his control. I am saying that the idea to challenge belonged to the NFLPA and Graham obviously saw no reason to not challenge. What would it hurt. The vast majority of the time that litigation was occurring was during the down time between OTA's and training camp. And, yes. Jimmy Graham even had his twitter signature stating he was an "NFL tight end" the whole time. But that doesn't explain why you are pissed off about it. It was simply a ruling that needed to be resolved within the CBA definitions. Once again, why does it upset you so much? How did it affect you adversely? Even if he was personally trying to get paid as a WR, what business is it of yours? Does it take money out of your pocket? How does it hurt you?
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Switch to Linear Mode Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

LinkBacks (?) LinkBack to this Thread: https://blackandgold.com/saints/86866-2018-nfl-free-agency.html
Posted By	For	Type	Date	Hits
The Latest Alex Okafor News \| SportSpyder	This thread	Refback	01-19-2018 03:56 PM	1
The Latest Kasim Edebali News \| SportSpyder	This thread	Refback	01-16-2018 03:38 PM	3
The Latest Clay Harbor News \| SportSpyder	This thread	Refback	01-16-2018 08:25 AM	1
The Latest New Orleans Saints News \| SportSpyder	This thread	Refback	01-15-2018 09:56 PM	6
2018 NFL Free Agency	This thread	Refback	01-15-2018 08:00 PM	2