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I think the guy has his head on straight this time around. Of course there is still doubt about that, but I think he could be our QB of the future. I know 90% of people will think I'm crazy, but I think we should give him a look. It's the perfect situation really. Brees is probably the best leader in the NFL, and would be perfect for Manziel to learn under. Also, they are both short QBs :D.

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Walks like a duck ...

The CFL is probably his possibly his best route if he ever wishes to play in the NFL again.

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Probably, and I doubt we sign him tbh. I just think we should. I think the guy is going to surprise everyone.

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Not sure if you had a chance to read this article yet ...

https://www.thescore.com/s/4111577

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I think he is. I think he seems pretty determined to turn things around.

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Hard to believe he’s still only 25. Kudos to the young man for addressing the demons. Sean Payton did seem to take some interest in him when they got together for breakfast a little while ago. New Orleans loves a good redemption story too.

Crazier things have happened.

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I don't ever see Manziel succeeding in the NFL.

One, even though it appears he has his head screwed on straight now, he is one binge away from reverting to the old Johnny Football. Can't see the Saint's putting money or the team's future on him staying straight.

Two, he really isn't an "NFL QB". He succeeded at A&M as long as he was able to get outside the pocket and buy time for receivers to get open. Teams that were able to keep him in the pocket (LSU) typically shut him down. QB that have to get outside the pocket to succeed have very short NFL carriers. Russel Wilson is the exception.

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No way. Foles or Cousins. Although we can’t afford a contract for Brees and also the kind of money those guys are gonna ask for.

Still there was a guy who was a lot like Manziel who played for the Falcons until they kicked him to the curb for similar problems.

What was his name?

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Other than height there is no comparison between him and Brees whatsoever. Brees is so much better as a thrower its like comparing apples and spare tires.

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NFL QB: Only the strong-minded will survive.

Having said that, I'm absolutely a 2nd (and even 3rd) chance guy. We all do stupid things sometimes. Well, I mean "I" never have, but some of you thugs peg the needle.

:banana:

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Sort of off topic but I don't get the Baker Mayfield /Manziel comparisons either. Outside of height, these guys are far apart. Johnny B Good was all over the place with his footwork up in Cleveland & throwing it up for grabs.

Baker doesn't do any of that. Not a lot of stupid throws, unnecessary risks. He surveys the field then takes off when no other options (see Russell W).

I don't believe Manziel is NFL material ... or even a capable starter.

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Pass.
You don't fall of the face of the football earth and come back a few years later and become instantly successful, especially if you are a low-character guy to begin with.

best of luck.
If Vince McMahon calls, grab it on the first ring.

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Agree. Brees is probably the most accurate passer to ever play in the NFL. He also has an abundance of two other qualities absolutely required: 1) Intelligence and 2) Leadership. Not sure if Johnny was gifted with much of either....

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Tebow's head is screwed on straighter than an arrow. He couldn't survive.

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He is not a team first person. When he walked out on stage at the draft he was rubbing his fingers and basically saying show me the money. He was spoiled and fell into a thug mentality. He never devoted himself before and I don't want to take the chance that this time he means it.

I don't want any part of Johnny Manziel!:brood:

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Manziel living in New Orleans...a dangerous place for someone without self control

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Couldn't agree more....anyone that is a bit shaky to begin with may have problems in NOLA. There are temptations everywhere....but NOLA makes it very easy! JMHO

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I'd rather RGIII than Manziel.

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No Johnny XFL....

https://media.giphy.com/media/xTiTnJ...dL7W/giphy.gif

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Yep, as expected.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ng-to-the-cfl/

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Hey, the guys is trying to get his **** together. How many times have we talked about people/players who could have done this and could have done that and wasted their gifts etc. The fact that he is getting his **** together, or so it seems, should be applauded no matter if he is ever that good at football or not. People F up and make mistakes if he is really making a sincere effort then I think we should all be rooting for that.

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Good luck to him.
Hopefully he's growing up and sorting out his issues

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People said the same thing about a guy the Falcons cut a few years back. He wound up with the Packers and did pretty good.

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Bipolar people can do just fine in a high stress environment. In fact they can thrive in it. Especially when they stick to their medication. when they think everything is smooth and easy and stop doing the things they need to do to stay healthy is when they run into trouble. Under stress there isn’t time for that.
As long as he’s treated by the team doctor and sticks to his meds the stress may be just what he needs.
The right combination of meds can completely change who a person is. Especially if they had been self medicating which I suspect he has been doing.

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Prediction: He will end up in the NFL again and will do very well. I really do think he could be our future QB. Is it likely to happen? No. I've watched Manziel play for the entirety of his college career though and when he wants something, he is a fierce competitor. TBH this whole narrative that has been cooked up around him with him getting himself better. I think it makes him a better player because he wants to prove people wrong.

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He's not a very good Pro QB. Definitely not even in the class of Doug Flutie (made his way back to the NFL w/elite Canadian play).

It will take a ton to convince a NFL team/owner on gambling with his troubled past again at the elite level.

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So he goes to Canada and has two great seasons. Then he's on the open market at age 27, is still barely 6 foot, and is still not an NFL-style quarterback. Still not marketable.
And this is all contingent on him staying clean and out of clubs.

The lasting memory of his NFL career will be him walking across the stage rubbing his fingers together doing the money sign

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Even if he is successful in the CFL, I don't see him getting back to the NFL. The game in the CFL is very different (rules greatly favor the offense), but more importantly, the level of competition he will play against in Canada is not even close to what he would see in the NFL. The number of success stories in this category is very small and I don't see Manziel anywhere close to being exceptional. Good luck to him though....his presence will definitely help the CFL get exposure south of the border.

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I'll probably catch a few more CFL games because he is there. Maybe looking for a train wreck. I used to be a HUGE CFL fan back in the day. I was Admiral of the Pirate Armada, the fan club for the Shreveport Pirates CFL team back in the '90's. Pretty cool getting to rub shoulders with the head coach and Hall of Famer, Forrest Gregg. And Billy Joe Tolliver (ex-Saints great ;) ) was the starting QB one year. But the coolest of them all was the place kicker, Bjorn Nittmo. He came to every one of our meetings. He kicked for the NY Giants and appeared on the David Letterman show multiple times because Letterman love saying his name ... Nittmo.

:D

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There are two hitches to the treatment of bipolar disorder...

First - The struggle is keeping them on their medication. If treated correctly the medication works so well that the person starts to believe that they no longer need the medication and quite often just stops taking it, which leads to an ugly relapse.

Secondly - Besides what ever medication they are put on to correct the chemical imbalance that causes the disorder, they are also put on anti-psychotic mood stabilizers. Mood stabilizers take the peaks and valleys away. Manziel is a gunslinger and played the way he did because he was on a high, the mood stabilizers would prevent that euphoric high...

I have lived and dealt with some that suffers from bipolar disorder first hand. When the doctor was asked "when will my parent be normal again"? The reply was "we do not know what her normal is yet"...

Medicated Manziel will not play like manic Manziel.

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If Maziel's FB career was a haircut:

https://i.redd.it/mv4h5cpm7sx01.jpg

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I agree with number 1 completely. I think givin the fact that he will be surrounded by team doctors means he will be monitored daily and it would become part of his daily regiment.
As for number 2 I don’t think his play was ever erratic or inconsistent, just his behavior. This tells me he has the skills to play at a high level medicated or not.
He’s wasnt going out there winning on pure emotion or instinct. He has smarts , a good understanding of the game, and other skill sets so I think he would be just fine. It would be different if he had moments when he were stellar and others that were awesful but I don’t think he had that problem.
Either way his problem was behavior while a symptom of bipolar needed to be addressed with or without medication. While medicine may help in that regard he’s still going to have to change his behavior.

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Football or not, I just hope he gets his life together and becomes a productive citizen.

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I didnt say anything about his play being erratic and or inconsistent. Because his high-highs will be knocked down the euphoric feeling of being 'in the zone' wont be the same.

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If he’s properly medicated he should get his natural “high highs” and lows just like most people based on the environment and stimuli around him as opposed to frequent ups and downs for little to no apparent reason.
I’m not 100% convinced the bipolar thing isn’t a rouse by his agent made to try and make an excuse for his behavior. There are plenty of bipolar people who don’t have behavior problems. When they do it’s usually a result of self medicating with alcohol or drugs.
Then again he could simply be a spoiled douche bag.
In any case I hope he does what he has to do to get his **** together because he could be great if he would. It would be nice to get him cheap on a 1-2 year deal with later options. I’d take a chance. If he continues to be an ass no harm done, we won’t need him for another couple years anyway.

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What's the fascination with Johnny? He's not that guy to command a huddle in the NFL & with a questionable work ethic.

Best of luck up in Canada though.

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They were talking today on Moving the Chains on NFL radio about the fact that Manziel could very likely end up as a backup with Hamilton. It is a whole different game with different rules and it may take a year or so just to start to feel comfortable enough to start a game. But we'll see, I guess.

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and he hasn't taken a live snap in two years