Ndamukong Suh Thread (MERGED)

[saintsfan1976]

Originally Posted by voodooido

Every one that is for signing suh, have you seen his stats the past 3 years? the money it would cost to sign him could be so much better spent. We have a de out there that played great before his injury. We could re-sign him for a quarter of the price and get more tackles/sacks. Save this money for depth. Saints don’t lack much now to be the front runner. Don’t waste 10-15 million a year on 43 tackles and 4 sacks!!!!!

I read he graded at 91.1 last season. What’s that worth to the rest of the team. Again, I don’t think some of you get it. Suh would transform our defense. We NEED some nasty.

[voodooido]

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I read he graded at 91.1 last season. What’s that worth to the rest of the team. Again, I don’t think some of you get it. Suh would transform our defense. We NEED some nasty.

Stats don’t lie brother, 4.5 sacks and 43 tackles. His lowest output of his career. He might be disruptive but for 10+ million we need more than disruption.

[saintsfan1976]

Originally Posted by voodooido

Stats don’t lie brother, 4.5 sacks and 43 tackles. His lowest output of his career. He might be disruptive but for 10+ million we need more than disruption.

Stats also don’t tell the whole story. Did Rankins out uo gaudy stats last season? No. But I’ll bet Cam will tell you Sheldon is a major reason for his success.

[Lord_Saint83]

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I read he graded at 91.1 last season. What’s that worth to the rest of the team. Again, I don’t think some of you get it. Suh would transform our defense. We NEED some nasty.

You are right linemen on both sides shouldnt be aww shucks guys but mean and nasty bastards. Now granted suh get a lil carried away sometimes but its a adrenaline fueled sport. If he was as much trouble as some claim dan campbell and bushrod would of said steer from him. Also we have been missing the interior rush last year he brings that and the ability to take on double teams that free up other guys.

[FinSaint]

Originally Posted by voodooido

Every one that is for signing suh, have you seen his stats the past 3 years? the money it would cost to sign him could be so much better spent. We have a de out there that played great before his injury. We could re-sign him for a quarter of the price and get more tackles/sacks. Save this money for depth. Saints don’t lack much now to be the front runner. Don’t waste 10-15 million a year on 43 tackles and 4 sacks!!!!!

Kind of like how I feel about it, but, on the other hand, the Saints have been missing that dominant inside tackle since like La'Roi Glover in the early 2000s.

Its very hard to evaluate a DTs worth based on numbers alone, since it depends so much on the defensive scheme and what that player is asked to do within that scheme. Arguably some of the best 4-3 DTs of the past couple of decades may not have had the numbers stats-wise when it comes to tackles and sacks, but their performances have allowed other players on that defensive front to make plays that have elevated the respective worth of those players around them. I haven't really seen enough of footage of Suh playing since he left NFC North, so I don't how well Miami used him in their schemes, and if that has something to do with his stat numbers.

I'm just tired of DTs that were supposedly difference makers, i.e. Jenkins, Ellis, Rogers, Franklin, etc., who ended up being just rotational guys at best or throwing away the potential of some of the players who have moved on from the roster like Johnson and Hicks.

The decision shouldn't be between Okafor or Suh - or a DE and a DT - since those positions compliment each other. I would bet that the Saints would be more than fine with Hendrickson on the other side of the line if someone like Suh would line-up next to him. Also, Okafor leaving Tampa without a contract might suggest that he hasn't fully recovered from the injury, which to my knowledge is not the easiest type to comeback from anyways.

Bottom line, if the F/O thinks Suh is the answer at that position, and they can make the financial side make sense - I'm all for it and actually welcome the bold move to improve the perennial weak spot of the defensive front.

[foreverfan]

Originally Posted by voodooido

Every one that is for signing suh, have you seen his stats the past 3 years? the money it would cost to sign him could be so much better spent. We have a de out there that played great before his injury. We could re-sign him for a quarter of the price and get more tackles/sacks. Save this money for depth. Saints don’t lack much now to be the front runner. Don’t waste 10-15 million a year on 43 tackles and 4 sacks!!!!!

The Saints are not going to pass him up if he come in.

Consider this... You can't double team 2 great DL and Cam Jordan much less the 4th DE. This would be a complete game changer for the total defense like you cannot imagine.

This would

• help stop the running game at the line of scrimmage
• free holes at the D-line giving LBs better holes to fill
• help stop 3rd and 1 yard
• give more pressure on defense in the 4th quarter
• no doubt increase the pass rush and give the CBs less time to cover
• make QBs worry more which could lead to both incompetitions and interceptions
• increase offensive holding penalties and possibly more fumble recoveries
• be the final key we need on defense to dominate for a Superbowl run.

SCREW THE MONEY. WE NEED TO WIN ANOTHER SUPERBOWL!

After watching Drew Brees play for years while our defense was total crap, I can't believe any of you people are worried about this. Some of you act like the money is coming our of your pockets.

[saintsfan1976]

Originally Posted by foreverfan

The Saints are not going to pass him up if he come in.

Consider this... You can't double team 2 great DL and Cam Jordan much less the 4th DE. This would be a complete game changer for the total defense like you cannot imagine.

This would

• help stop the running game at the line of scrimmage
• free holes at the D-line giving LBs better holes to fill
• help stop 3rd and 1 yard
• give more pressure on defense in the 4th quarter
• no doubt increase the pass rush and give the CBs less time to cover
• make QBs worry more which could lead to both incompetitions and interceptions
• increase offensive holding penalties and possibly more fumble recoveries
• be the final key we need on defense to dominate for a Superbowl run.

SCREW THE MONEY. WE NEED TO WIN ANOTHER SUPERBOWL!

After watching Drew Brees play for years while our defense was total crap, I can't believe any of you people are worried about this. Some of you act like the money is coming our of your pockets.

Exactly. Suh makes our entire defense better.

[voodooido]

Originally Posted by foreverfan

[/U]After watching Drew Brees play for years while our defense was total crap, I can't believe any of you people are worried about this. Some of you act like the money is coming our of your pockets.

Of course it’s not our money but it is limited money. It’s not like the Saints can act like the Yankees and buy whomever they want. There is a cap and unlike in baseball, the NFL has to obey it. I’m not saying Suh is trash. I’m saying he’s no longer worth the money he demands.

[CheramieIII]

Originally Posted by foreverfan

The Saints are not going to pass him up if he come in.

Consider this... You can't double team 2 great DL and Cam Jordan much less the 4th DE. This would be a complete game changer for the total defense like you cannot imagine.

This would

• help stop the running game at the line of scrimmage
• free holes at the D-line giving LBs better holes to fill
• help stop 3rd and 1 yard
• give more pressure on defense in the 4th quarter
• no doubt increase the pass rush and give the CBs less time to cover
• make QBs worry more which could lead to both incompetitions and interceptions
• increase offensive holding penalties and possibly more fumble recoveries
• be the final key we need on defense to dominate for a Superbowl run.

SCREW THE MONEY. WE NEED TO WIN ANOTHER SUPERBOWL!

After watching Drew Brees play for years while our defense was total crap, I can't believe any of you people are worried about this. Some of you act like the money is coming our of your pockets.

Damn FF it must have taken you all night to write this but I like it a lot. I agree that Suh will not leave New Orleans without being a Saint first and if we could get a great DE, TE, WR and LT in the draft I would bet money on the Saints this season!

[foreverfan]

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

Damn FF it must have taken you all night to write this but I like it a lot. I agree that Suh will not leave New Orleans without being a Saint first and if we could get a great DE, TE, WR and LT in the draft I would bet money on the Saints this season!

I had a cat that was in heat.

Can't wait for the draft.