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AsylumGuido 03-05-2018 08:41 PM

Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham
 
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 793574)

Because they do not have the QB nor offense to utilize him to his max.

Duh!

AsylumGuido 03-05-2018 08:44 PM

Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham
 
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Originally Posted by triman (Post 793591)
He is going to cost 7 million ? Great redzone target. I would pursue Trey Burton for the same money. He is an all around talent and younger less wear and tear.

Who the hell knows what he would cost? Most likely a minimal amount as affects the 2018 cap. Signing bonus and low base salary.

All I can say is that the 10 TD's he scored in the redzone last year was better than any of our receivers, especially TE's.

SaintKane 03-05-2018 09:23 PM

Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham
 
Don’t post much and have not posted in a long while, but I need to point out some facts for those who prefer Trey Burton over bringing back Jimmy.

Jimmy is 6’6”, Trey is 6’ 2”

Jimmy has a 38” vertical jump, Trey has a 30” vertical

Jimmy runs a 4.56 40, Trey runs a 4.62 40

Jimmy had 10 tds last year, Trey has 7 tds I’ve the last 3 years

Jimmy knows the offense and has played with Brees, Trey hasn’t

I don’t even think it’s a question who is the more valuable weapon. Burton is Josh Hill 2.0, I do not want the Saints to get into a bidding war with half the league over a backup tight end who may or may not work out. Go with the proven commodity, Drew doesn’t have time to wait for an unproven talent.

WW_Who_Dat 03-05-2018 09:31 PM

Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham
 
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Originally Posted by SaintKane (Post 793613)
Don’t post much and have not posted in a long while, but I need to point out some facts for those who prefer Trey Burton over bringing back Jimmy.

Jimmy is 6’6”, Trey is 6’ 2”

Jimmy has a 38” vertical jump, Trey has a 30” vertical

Jimmy runs a 4.56 40, Trey runs a 4.62 40

Jimmy had 10 tds last year, Trey has 7 tds I’ve the last 3 years

Jimmy knows the offense and has played with Brees, Trey hasn’t

I don’t even think it’s a question who is the more valuable weapon. Burton is Josh Hill 2.0, I do not want the Saints to get into a bidding war with half the league over a backup tight end who may or may not work out. Go with the proven commodity, Drew doesn’t have time to wait for an unproven talent.

Bam!!! As Emeril would say!!! Well said Saint Kane :bng::ubl:

saintsfan1976 03-06-2018 04:37 AM

Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 793597)
Not sure what a "worss" is. :confused: And he never held out for record money. Get your facts straight. The NFLPA used his declaration as a TE as opposed to a WR to present a test case to the league. It had nothing what so ever to do with any record breaking attempt at anything.

And, no, the precipitous drop had everything to do with being misused by Seattle.

Graham wanted more money than the TE franchise tag. Fact. And being tagged as a WR meant about $5M more at the time. Fact. So no, the NFLPA didn’t dream up the scenarios. JG held out or fought for more money than the Saints wanted to pay him. In the end he became the highest paid right end in history. Fact!

Worth it? I thought so. JG was historic at his position. But he faded at the end the very next season.

And no, Seattle couldn’t get the most out of Graham and it cost Darrell Bevell his job.

darksoul35 03-06-2018 07:22 AM

Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham
 
If the price is right I would take him back in a heartbeat. If there is a huge bidding war I would just draft one.

saintsfan1976 03-06-2018 08:02 AM

Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham
 
His Red Zone production is still elite. For that alone JG won’t come cheap. That aspect, which I’ve posted before, is worth bringing him back.

AsylumGuido 03-06-2018 08:04 AM

Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 793624)
Graham wanted more money than the TE franchise tag. Fact. And being tagged as a WR meant about $5M more at the time. Fact. So no, the NFLPA didn’t dream up the scenarios. JG held out or fought for more money than the Saints wanted to pay him. In the end he became the highest paid right end in history. Fact!

Worth it? I thought so. JG was historic at his position. But he faded at the end the very next season.

And no, Seattle couldn’t get the most out of Graham and it cost Darrell Bevell his job.

Sorry, but YOU have this wrong. The NFLPA used the Graham case to try to set a precedent. Graham NEVER personally demanded WR money. Go check it out. THIS is a FACT. Graham did, however, agree, with the consent of his agent, to allow the NFLPA to use his case as a test case. By the way, the NFLPA did the exact same thing when they used Brees' situation concerning a second franchise tag by a different team.

In both cases the NFLPA had the long-term good of their constituents in mind and it was about nothing but business. I cannot understand why some fans take these type of issues so personally. It makes no sense. The teams and the players know better.

lee909 03-06-2018 08:13 AM

Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham
 
Right money i'd have him back in a heartbeat
His ability on 3rd down and red zone would take this offense back to 2011 levels with either Snead getting back to form or another 3rd down type WR.

Lots of good WR out there this year if Graham gets too expensive

Decker,Gabriel,Matthews,Amendola all could be cheap

saintfan 03-06-2018 08:16 AM

Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 793644)
Sorry, but YOU have this wrong. The NFLPA used the Graham case to try to set a precedent. Graham NEVER personally demanded WR money.

I've tried to factor this into my own opinion, and as I said earlier we must all recognize this is a business, but Jimmy's arm wasn't twisted. He is the captain of his own ship. He could have shut all that down the minute he wanted to by telling his agent to shut up and sit down. I'm not buying it, particularly after his parting shots against the organization, as if he had no role in his departure. Had he (via his agent) been reasonable he'd have been a Saints for life.

I'm over it, but Jimmy wasn't "merely pawn, in game of life". Agents are like lawyers. They must be managed, otherwise they'll run up your bill and screw up your life.

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