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Crusader 03-06-2018 12:59 PM
Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham
 
His old teammates seem to want him back and that is enough for me as long as he can produce.

saintfan 03-06-2018 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 793693)
No. While somewhat similar the Suggs case was not the same. Suggs was not franchised. His grievance was over his negotiated salary and an arbiter agreed that he was basically a DE and should be paid as one.

The Graham case was based upon franchise position designation. It was a different animal entirely. The NFLPA was arguing that he was basically a WR and should have been designated as one with the franchise tag. It was all about tag designation, not negotiated salary based. This truly was new ground.
We can argue all that 'til we're purple. If you think Jimmy was merely a pawn and not actively involved then we just have to agree to disagree.

:bng:

Garry42 03-06-2018 02:22 PM
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I have always liked the idea of Jimmy returning....as long as the price is right. He would give us a dimension that has been missing since he left and add to a potent offence. He and Brees would be back in synch immediately. Now that we have a running game, the addition of a strong experienced TE seems like the final missing piece.

saintsfan1976 03-06-2018 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 793694)
I pointed that very tweet out earlier in my response. And I agree with Graham that Hicks should have felt blessed getting away from that mess created by Rob Ryan. Yet, if that's the worst that Graham did (and it is) then it is pretty trivial.
You’re assuming it was a dig on Rob Ryan (not even his coach). I assume it was a dig on the team that dealt him without warning. And dealt him to a team who’s players talked major pregame trash on the field to him and subsequently shut him down.

Yeah. That tweet was a jab at Payton. Hence the delete.

AsylumGuido 03-06-2018 02:37 PM
Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham
 
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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 793699)
We can argue all that 'til we're purple. If you think Jimmy was merely a pawn and not actively involved then we just have to agree to disagree.

:bng:
Oh, I have no doubt Graham was simply a pawn in the franchise designation ploy by the NFLPA. While Graham never provided any input during the proceedings, his good friend Brees implied that Graham was not an enthused participant ...

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Back in March (early on in the legal battle), Saints quarterback Drew Brees offered Graham advice that remains relevant in light of the latest development: "I just told him be patient," Brees said. "Don't get frustrated. Don't take it personally. It's part of the deal and it's hard and ... you just want it to be over. You want certainty. That's the hardest part."
All the facts point to the NFLPA and their bank of lawyers driving the grievance action. Graham had, in fact, never changed his Twitter description stating that he was an "NFL Tight End".

AsylumGuido 03-06-2018 02:42 PM
Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 793708)
You’re assuming it was a dig on Rob Ryan (not even his coach). I assume it was a dig on the team that dealt him without warning. And dealt him to a team who’s players talked major pregame trash on the field to him and subsequently shut him down.

Yeah. That tweet was a jab at Payton. Hence the delete.
No, the delete was probably the conscience of a young man who most likely felt his message would be misconstrued by persons always looking for the worst in people.

And what does Ryan not being Graham's coach have to do with anything? Hicks was a square peg in a round hole in Ryan's crappy defensive scheme. Graham could see that as easily as anyone.

saintfan 03-06-2018 03:13 PM
Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 793709)
Oh, I have no doubt Graham was simply a pawn in the franchise designation ploy by the NFLPA. While Graham never provided any input during the proceedings, his good friend Brees implied that Graham was not an enthused participant ...







All the facts point to the NFLPA and their bank of lawyers driving the grievance action. Graham had, in fact, never changed his Twitter description stating that he was an "NFL Tight End".


All he had to do was sign. Nobody stopped him. Not his agent. Not the NFLPA. Like I said earlier, otherwise somebody goes to jail. Believe it or don’t, but Jimmy knew exactly what he was doing. To believe your angle would be to believe he was some sort of victim, and, as I said, we can agree to disagree.

AsylumGuido 03-06-2018 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 793716)
All he had to do was sign. Nobody stopped him. Not his agent. Not the NFLPA. Like I said earlier, otherwise somebody goes to jail. Believe it or don’t, but Jimmy knew exactly what he was doing. To believe your angle would be to believe he was some sort of victim, and, as I said, we can agree to disagree.
No. All he had to do wasn't just sign. Graham didn't want to play under the franchise tag. He wanted a contract. He was coerced into letting the NFLPA file a grievance on the franchise tag designation. This was something the PA had wanted to address and this was their first chance. By doing what they requested of him it did not hurt anyone. That is other than a number of soft-skinned fans that couldn't understand that this was a point of contention between the league and the PA that both sides wanted to resolve. All it did was postpone the deal that Graham was going to be getting anyway.

No, Graham wasn't a victim. There were no victims. It was simply a legal issue that hurt nobody. And where the heck are you getting this jail tripe? Yes, Jimmy knew what he was doing and why he was doing it. It is clear that you don't understand.

You are making it all too personal. Nobody did anything wrong. It is all just business. Lighten up.

saintsfan1976 03-06-2018 04:12 PM
Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 793710)
No, the delete was probably the conscience of a young man who most likely felt his message would be misconstrued by persons always looking for the worst in people.

And what does Ryan not being Graham's coach have to do with anything? Hicks was a square peg in a round hole in Ryan's crappy defensive scheme. Graham could see that as easily as anyone.
Again. You’re assuming. But your guess is as good as mine.

voodooido 03-06-2018 05:09 PM
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Didn’t realize how bad we have been at TE since he left. We rank 31st in TE production since that time


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