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AsylumGuido 03-06-2018 08:38 AM

Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham
 
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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 793646)
I've tried to factor this into my own opinion, and as I said earlier we must all recognize this is a business, but Jimmy's arm wasn't twisted. He is the captain of his own ship. He could have shut all that down the minute he wanted to by telling his agent to shut up and sit down. I'm not buying it, particularly after his parting shots against the organization, as if he had no role in his departure. Had he (via his agent) been reasonable he'd have been a Saints for life.

I'm over it, but Jimmy wasn't "merely pawn, in game of life". Agents are like lawyers. They must be managed, otherwise they'll run up your bill and screw up your life.

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It was not Graham's agent driving the truck. It was the NFLPA and their bank of lawyers. In this case Graham was exactly what you claim he wasn't ... a pawn. Yes, his agent had a vested interest, yet neither he, nor Graham, was the driving force. During the whole ordeal Graham was completely out of the picture. He never made any statement, nor even an utterance. The whole confrontation was between the players' association and the league's front office. The PA had been waiting for an opportunity to make the challenge and Graham's case happened to be their first, and best, opportunity.

Graham was just a 28 year old kid and the NFLPA was perhaps the most powerful union in the world. He had little say in the matter. It is easy for a fan to say he should have stood up to his union, but that's easier said than done.

K Major 03-06-2018 08:42 AM

Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham
 
If Cam and Brees are lobbying for a Jimmy Dickens return, include me in on that bandwagon train. Imagine having Kamara, Ingram & Graham in the redzone. Then factor in another slot WR (either draft or FA) to the mix. That's a tough out on any defense to stop on a consistent basis.

The Saints have put together a very nice, young cohesive defense that is getting better. If the price is right, make the move to bring back Jimmy & lets win the whole thing.

The "bad blood" thing has been so over hyped.

saintsfan1976 03-06-2018 08:58 AM

Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 793644)
Sorry, but YOU have this wrong. The NFLPA used the Graham case to try to set a precedent. Graham NEVER personally demanded WR money. Go check it out. THIS is a FACT. Graham did, however, agree, with the consent of his agent, to allow the NFLPA to use his case as a test case. By the way, the NFLPA did the exact same thing when they used Brees' situation concerning a second franchise tag by a different team.

In both cases the NFLPA had the long-term good of their constituents in mind and it was about nothing but business. I cannot understand why some fans take these type of issues so personally. It makes no sense. The teams and the players know better.

I am far from infallible. Maybe I do need to dig deeper - and I will. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

saintsfan1976 03-06-2018 08:59 AM

Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 793650)
If Cam and Brees are lobbying for a Jimmy Dickens return, include me in on that bandwagon train. Imagine having Kamara, Ingram & Graham in the redzone. Then factor in another slot WR (either draft or FA) to the mix. That's a tough out on any defense to stop on a consistent basis.

The Saints have put together a very nice, young cohesive defense that is getting better. If the price is right, make the move to bring back Jimmy & lets win the whole thing.

The "bad blood" thing has been so over hyped.

It's not over-hyped when Graham trolls the team on social media long after the fact.

lee909 03-06-2018 09:25 AM

Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 793650)

The "bad blood" thing has been so over hyped.

Agree with this
All the players know its a business decision

I never blamed Jimmy for being pissed
He could have not signed a deal and moved to a team of his choosing but the team told him they wanted him and traded him 12 months later. I would be pissed if id planned to spend X number of years in a city and started planting routes then got traded 2500 miles away to live in the rain

Beastmode 03-06-2018 09:47 AM

Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham
 
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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 793660)
Agree with this
All the players know its a business decision

I never blamed Jimmy for being pissed
He could have not signed a deal and moved to a team of his choosing but the team told him they wanted him and traded him 12 months later. I would be pissed if id planned to spend X number of years in a city and started planting routes then got traded 2500 miles away to live in the rain

This happens everyday to people in every industry getting re-located. It''s actually much worse for them because they are likely not multi-millionaires so his rants on social media at the time were petty. Think he said something along the lines of "eff" that team or something referring to the Saints.

It was many moons ago so meh...the bad blood has likely run its course but fans at the time remember him blowing up over something that is fairly common. He sounded like a pansy.

AsylumGuido 03-06-2018 10:49 AM

Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham
 
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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 793662)
This happens everyday to people in every industry getting re-located. It''s actually much worse for them because they are likely not multi-millionaires so his rants on social media at the time were petty. Think he said something along the lines of "eff" that team or something referring to the Saints.

It was many moons ago so meh...the bad blood has likely run its course but fans at the time remember him blowing up over something that is fairly common. He sounded like a pansy.

Graham NEVER said anything of the sort. Use your Google tool and you'll find out that what you stated is completely false.

AsylumGuido 03-06-2018 10:55 AM

Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 793655)
It's not over-hyped when Graham trolls the team on social media long after the fact.

And exactly what is this supposed "trolling" that you claim to have read? The ONLY thing he ever posted related to the Saints was when he congratulated Akiem Hicks about his trade to the Patriots:

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“feel blessed u got out of there. Time to go shine big dog. All the best. Good luck.”
Hicks was floundering, as was most of the defense, with the fiasco introduced by Rob Ryan. Ryan was fired a little over a month later.

saintfan 03-06-2018 10:57 AM

Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 793649)
It was not Graham's agent driving the truck. It was the NFLPA and their bank of lawyers. In this case Graham was exactly what you claim he wasn't ... a pawn. Yes, his agent had a vested interest, yet neither he, nor Graham, was the driving force. During the whole ordeal Graham was completely out of the picture. He never made any statement, nor even an utterance. The whole confrontation was between the players' association and the league's front office. The PA had been waiting for an opportunity to make the challenge and Graham's case happened to be their first, and best, opportunity.

Graham was just a 28 year old kid and the NFLPA was perhaps the most powerful union in the world. He had little say in the matter. It is easy for a fan to say he should have stood up to his union, but that's easier said than done.

Well I wasn't there so I can never know, but I know that I simply do not believe that Jimmy was simply an unwilling pawn in his own contract negotiation. The fact that Jimmy never made any statement was because his agent told him to sit down and shut up and that is what he did. He didn't have to. He could have stopped that madness at any time - he was holding out for as much money as he could get. To that end I don't necessarily blame the man, but the tactics that were used were unsightly and cost him his position on our team. He was not beholden to any other person or group of people other than by choice.

If anything else were true somebody would have gone to jail.

AsylumGuido 03-06-2018 11:03 AM

Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 793654)
I am far from infallible. Maybe I do need to dig deeper - and I will. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

Yes. Do some digging. I really kept up with that whole affair. As most around here know I really get into the financial and contractual aspects of the league and the NFLPA's handling of the Graham tag was a major tipping point in future contract negotiations league wide. I'll guarantee you that there wasn't a single article concerning the case that I did not read. During the entire proceedings not a word was heard from Graham personally and even his agent was unusually quiet.

Graham caught the backlash from fans that only got the slanted story from click bait blogging hacks that throw stuff against the wall hoping that something might actually stick.


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