You are what you are?

saintswhodi · 04-25-2005, 07:32 PM

Another fact is that the amount of false start penalities and plays called back that we had, would throw any QB out of sorts.

The elite Os around the league simply don\'t make half the mistakes that we do.

Not half you say? St. Louis and Philly had two less offensive penalties. Buffalo 8 less. Kansas City and Minnesota 12 less. San Diego 19 less. All were well within half. All except KC and Buff went to the playoffs.

Zulu--King · 04-25-2005, 07:52 PM

Other than Peyton singlehandedly ending the Colts playoff runs, Id say that the Colts would\'ve had the same results with Kitna at QB. They\'re contending for the most talented O ever assembled.

Peyton is the man, while I\'ve seen McNabb called \"overrated\" or \"OK\" in here Please. McNabb would\'ve been off the charts in Indy. Hell, here, also. Just another example of how people selectively give QBs props.

Dont get me wrong, McNabb is my favorite QB. My point is, that playoff runs take a TEAM effort, and the elite teams have fewer injuries and mistakes, and great coaching. The Pats & Eagles have great Ds, which get them turnovers and prevent the other team from scoring. Their QBs aren\'t under as much pressure to score, as our O is. We knew we had to score 31 + to win. I think trying too hard had a lot to do with the mistakes weve had. We\'ve done pretty well with injuries,though. Yep, and ABs stats are also equal to Brady\'s production

As far as half the penalties and drops, I just pulled that figure out of the sky. Those other teams are mostly vets on O, and can overcome that type of adversity in a relaxed manner.

Could it be that AB turns 3 step drops into 6 step drops, because no one is initally open, and the heat is coming? How many times have he and Haz said that players are running the wrong routes? How many times have you heard that from the Pats, Eagles, Colts Chiefs, or Rams?

saintswhodi · 04-25-2005, 08:04 PM

So basically you are saying Kitna could throw 48 TDs in Indy if he were the QB, McNabb is overrated or ok(when NFL experts say he is the reason the Eagles have been as good as they are), and the fact that the elite teams in the playoffs had elite QBs is coincidence? Wow. The only years that was true for the Superbowl is Baltimore\'s year and Tampa\'s year. Other then that, Superbowl teams have had elite QBs, that\'s coincidence?

And first it\'s elite offenses don\'t have half, then when it\'s wrong you pulled the figure out the air and they have vets who can oversome it. So Gandy isn\'t a vet, nor AB, nor LeCharles, nor Joe, nor Pathon, nor Donte, nor Bentley, not Riley, nor Folau or Jacox, nor Deuce. No vets? They\'re rookies or something? Looks like we are mostly vets on O too.

And so when AB turns a short drop into a long run, it\'s ALWAYS cause receivers ran the wrong routes. I don;t recall Haz Saying that, you have a link? I know AB would say it cause he says he is great on a struggling team, but damn Zulu I see you think that\'s true. But the Kitna could get 48 TDs in Indy\'s offense thing has killed me, so whatever you say next is the final word on this subject. I have no words for that.

Zulu--King · 04-25-2005, 08:43 PM

Ummm No. I said that the Colts would get the same results with Kitna at QB meaning they would have the same records, and be bounced out of the playoffs with their suspect D. Peyton could throw for 60 TDs and have no ring. That\'s what I meant by team effort. Would Peyton have 48 TDs in NY or Houston?

My view was that McNabb is just as good, and more mentally hardened than Peyton. I said that I\'m reading McNAbb is called \"OK\" and \"overrrated\" in here, and in most groups.

Most of the the teams having rings, while sporting elite QBs, also had RBs, great coaching, and D\'s. You know, a TEAM. Why dosen\'t Marino have a ring? Would\'nt he have just as may as Montana, if he had gone to SF? I think even Boomer would\'ve had rings in SF.

Our having vets like the other teams suffering with mistakes at O only means that we have the wrong vets at some positions. Coaching the players we do have, has a lot to do with how they react to adversity, and handle success. The lack of focus this team exibits can be directly traced to coaching. Nowhere did I say that \"EVERYTME\" AB miscuses, it\'s because of wrong routes, etc.

I saw both Haz & AB whine about wrong routes on WWL tv. Once, Haz said \"by a player who has been here two years\". I suspect he means Donte. Don\'t believe me? Too bad. I\'m an honest man. I want AB to get his act together, or hit the bricks, just like anyone else. You aren\'t questioning all these quotes about AB not studying film, because they serve your purpose.

You\'re bordering on desperation, when you twist practically everything I say. I\'ve grown weary of this topic.

saintswhodi · 04-25-2005, 08:48 PM

ME:

so whatever you say next is the final word on this subject. I have no words for that.

RESPONSE:

I\'ve grown weary of this topic.

Too good. :rollinglaugh:

Zulu--King · 04-25-2005, 08:53 PM

Yeah well, your lame stance on Jake leading the Panthers to the big dance made me giggle, also. Their D and Davis led the Panthers. Also, some excellent coaching from their staff, and discipline. AB would\'ve been there, had he been traded to CAR. Chew on that.

Saint_LB · 04-25-2005, 09:04 PM

Yeah well, your lame stance on Jake leading the Panthers to the big dance made me giggle, also. Their D and Davis led the Panthers. Also, some excellent coaching from their staff, and discipline. AB would\'ve been there, had he been traded to CAR. Chew on that.

Guess he told you, Whodi!

saintswhodi · 04-25-2005, 10:58 PM

Yeah LB. I\'m converted. Shucks almighty dat Brooks sho nuff throw a pretty ball to that Gandy fella. I hope they have his bust ready for the hall of fame, cause if not for everyone else on the team holding him back for 4 straight years, he\'d really be something. :nutz:

saintswhodi · 04-25-2005, 11:06 PM

The other thing that\'s funny is I never said this

Yeah well, your lame stance on Jake leading the Panthers to the big dance made me giggle, also. Their D and Davis led the Panthers. Also, some excellent coaching from their staff, and discipline. AB would\'ve been there, had he been traded to CAR. Chew on that.

LMAO. I said this

So your point is Jake fumbled one less time than AB? Was Jake a first year starter or 4th? Think a first year starter would have more problems than a 4th? You see Jake in the Superbowl? You see JAke last year with worse problems than AB put up bette rnumbers than AB ever has? Please don\'t disgrace Jake by comparing AB, cause there is none.

Did I say Jake led them to the Superbowl? No. I did see Jake almost single handedly WIN The Superbowl for them while NE was racking up 32 points on their defenseand their running game sucked. Jake in the Superbowl, 3 TDs no INTs.

I did see Jake put up better number this year than AB EVER with a WORSE TEAM. I really should just leave this alone. Why is it that I can\'t see AB for the hall of famer he is? Guess I hate him or something. I mean Peyton is a hall of famer, or will be. And had AB been on the Colts, or Eagles, or anywhere else he would have done the same thing apparently. SO if he was in NE, I am to believe AB would be Tom Brady. Fascinating. :seeingstars:

DaRealAbdul · 04-26-2005, 02:05 AM

it seems half the threads on this site develop into Pro- or Anti- Brooks debates.
So I guess I\'ll join in...
Just watch an old game... Take that Indi game for instance, where the Saints were bent over and... well, you know...
Peyton is on the bench studying film when his defense is on the film... and on the phone with his guys upstairs...
Brooks is on the sideline smiling with his helmet dangling in his hand...
Doesn\'t inspire much confidence.

04-25-2005, 07:32 PM	#21
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	You are what you are? Another fact is that the amount of false start penalities and plays called back that we had, would throw any QB out of sorts. The elite Os around the league simply don\'t make half the mistakes that we do. Not half you say? St. Louis and Philly had two less offensive penalties. Buffalo 8 less. Kansas City and Minnesota 12 less. San Diego 19 less. All were well within half. All except KC and Buff went to the playoffs.

04-25-2005, 07:52 PM	#22
Zulu--King 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 150	You are what you are? Other than Peyton singlehandedly ending the Colts playoff runs, Id say that the Colts would\'ve had the same results with Kitna at QB. They\'re contending for the most talented O ever assembled. Peyton is the man, while I\'ve seen McNabb called \"overrated\" or \"OK\" in here Please. McNabb would\'ve been off the charts in Indy. Hell, here, also. Just another example of how people selectively give QBs props. Dont get me wrong, McNabb is my favorite QB. My point is, that playoff runs take a TEAM effort, and the elite teams have fewer injuries and mistakes, and great coaching. The Pats & Eagles have great Ds, which get them turnovers and prevent the other team from scoring. Their QBs aren\'t under as much pressure to score, as our O is. We knew we had to score 31 + to win. I think trying too hard had a lot to do with the mistakes weve had. We\'ve done pretty well with injuries,though. Yep, and ABs stats are also equal to Brady\'s production As far as half the penalties and drops, I just pulled that figure out of the sky. Those other teams are mostly vets on O, and can overcome that type of adversity in a relaxed manner. Could it be that AB turns 3 step drops into 6 step drops, because no one is initally open, and the heat is coming? How many times have he and Haz said that players are running the wrong routes? How many times have you heard that from the Pats, Eagles, Colts Chiefs, or Rams?
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04-25-2005, 08:04 PM	#23
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	You are what you are? So basically you are saying Kitna could throw 48 TDs in Indy if he were the QB, McNabb is overrated or ok(when NFL experts say he is the reason the Eagles have been as good as they are), and the fact that the elite teams in the playoffs had elite QBs is coincidence? Wow. The only years that was true for the Superbowl is Baltimore\'s year and Tampa\'s year. Other then that, Superbowl teams have had elite QBs, that\'s coincidence? And first it\'s elite offenses don\'t have half, then when it\'s wrong you pulled the figure out the air and they have vets who can oversome it. So Gandy isn\'t a vet, nor AB, nor LeCharles, nor Joe, nor Pathon, nor Donte, nor Bentley, not Riley, nor Folau or Jacox, nor Deuce. No vets? They\'re rookies or something? Looks like we are mostly vets on O too. And so when AB turns a short drop into a long run, it\'s ALWAYS cause receivers ran the wrong routes. I don;t recall Haz Saying that, you have a link? I know AB would say it cause he says he is great on a struggling team, but damn Zulu I see you think that\'s true. But the Kitna could get 48 TDs in Indy\'s offense thing has killed me, so whatever you say next is the final word on this subject. I have no words for that.

04-25-2005, 08:43 PM	#24
Zulu--King 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 150	You are what you are? Ummm No. I said that the Colts would get the same results with Kitna at QB meaning they would have the same records, and be bounced out of the playoffs with their suspect D. Peyton could throw for 60 TDs and have no ring. That\'s what I meant by team effort. Would Peyton have 48 TDs in NY or Houston? My view was that McNabb is just as good, and more mentally hardened than Peyton. I said that I\'m reading McNAbb is called \"OK\" and \"overrrated\" in here, and in most groups. Most of the the teams having rings, while sporting elite QBs, also had RBs, great coaching, and D\'s. You know, a TEAM. Why dosen\'t Marino have a ring? Would\'nt he have just as may as Montana, if he had gone to SF? I think even Boomer would\'ve had rings in SF. Our having vets like the other teams suffering with mistakes at O only means that we have the wrong vets at some positions. Coaching the players we do have, has a lot to do with how they react to adversity, and handle success. The lack of focus this team exibits can be directly traced to coaching. Nowhere did I say that \"EVERYTME\" AB miscuses, it\'s because of wrong routes, etc. I saw both Haz & AB whine about wrong routes on WWL tv. Once, Haz said \"by a player who has been here two years\". I suspect he means Donte. Don\'t believe me? Too bad. I\'m an honest man. I want AB to get his act together, or hit the bricks, just like anyone else. You aren\'t questioning all these quotes about AB not studying film, because they serve your purpose. You\'re bordering on desperation, when you twist practically everything I say. I\'ve grown weary of this topic.
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04-25-2005, 08:53 PM	#26
Zulu--King 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 150	You are what you are? Yeah well, your lame stance on Jake leading the Panthers to the big dance made me giggle, also. Their D and Davis led the Panthers. Also, some excellent coaching from their staff, and discipline. AB would\'ve been there, had he been traded to CAR. Chew on that.
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04-25-2005, 09:04 PM	#27
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	You are what you are? Yeah well, your lame stance on Jake leading the Panthers to the big dance made me giggle, also. Their D and Davis led the Panthers. Also, some excellent coaching from their staff, and discipline. AB would\'ve been there, had he been traded to CAR. Chew on that. Guess he told you, Whodi!
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04-25-2005, 10:58 PM	#28
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	You are what you are? Yeah LB. I\'m converted. Shucks almighty dat Brooks sho nuff throw a pretty ball to that Gandy fella. I hope they have his bust ready for the hall of fame, cause if not for everyone else on the team holding him back for 4 straight years, he\'d really be something. :nutz:

04-25-2005, 11:06 PM	#29
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	You are what you are? The other thing that\'s funny is I never said this Yeah well, your lame stance on Jake leading the Panthers to the big dance made me giggle, also. Their D and Davis led the Panthers. Also, some excellent coaching from their staff, and discipline. AB would\'ve been there, had he been traded to CAR. Chew on that. LMAO. I said this So your point is Jake fumbled one less time than AB? Was Jake a first year starter or 4th? Think a first year starter would have more problems than a 4th? You see Jake in the Superbowl? You see JAke last year with worse problems than AB put up bette rnumbers than AB ever has? Please don\'t disgrace Jake by comparing AB, cause there is none. Did I say Jake led them to the Superbowl? No. I did see Jake almost single handedly WIN The Superbowl for them while NE was racking up 32 points on their defenseand their running game sucked. Jake in the Superbowl, 3 TDs no INTs. I did see Jake put up better number this year than AB EVER with a WORSE TEAM. I really should just leave this alone. Why is it that I can\'t see AB for the hall of famer he is? Guess I hate him or something. I mean Peyton is a hall of famer, or will be. And had AB been on the Colts, or Eagles, or anywhere else he would have done the same thing apparently. SO if he was in NE, I am to believe AB would be Tom Brady. Fascinating. :seeingstars:

04-26-2005, 02:05 AM	#30
DaRealAbdul Rookie Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kenner Posts: 18	You are what you are? it seems half the threads on this site develop into Pro- or Anti- Brooks debates. So I guess I\'ll join in... Just watch an old game... Take that Indi game for instance, where the Saints were bent over and... well, you know... Peyton is on the bench studying film when his defense is on the film... and on the phone with his guys upstairs... Brooks is on the sideline smiling with his helmet dangling in his hand... Doesn\'t inspire much confidence.