You are what you are?

Zulu--King · 04-26-2005, 02:40 AM

You never saw AB on the phone, simply because you didn\'t want to. That had to be the most irrelevant post I\'ve seen this month.

Why don\'t you enlighten the group about how many times you\'ve seen Peyton fold like a tent during Hurricane Betsy practically EVERY playoff game?

Zulu--King · 04-26-2005, 03:14 AM

Yeah LB. I\'m converted. Shucks almighty dat Brooks sho nuff throw a pretty ball to that Gandy fella.

I\'m starting to figure out why you\'re so maligned in this camp. Most of your responses were simply misquoting me, in an attempt to make me look silly.

I hope you\'re not the one that someone said \"sic em\" when I submitted my comparisons about AB to the \"elite\" QBs. Nothing you have shown would cause me to rethink my views, out of fear of reprisal from you.

Like I said the other night, I\'m a 5 yr vet of the wild, wild, west called usenet. You did\'nt merely express your opposing views. You called me out, in front of the whole camp. Therefore, I will be all up in you like an ovarian cyst. Just like I do every day in my other camp, with people like you.

It was all good, when I agreed with you when you were debating Whodat. Regarding misquoting you about Jake.. annoying, huh?
I read posts twice before my response, and know exactly why I said what.

You\'re swingin from Jake\'s jock about his Super Bowl performance, but give AB no credit for anything he has accomplished. For the record, I was just as impressed with Jake for that particular game. My feelings run hot and cold for AB. Difference between us? I\'ll give any player props for a great performance, just as I\'ll tear AB a new one for any lame outing.

JOESAM2002 · 04-26-2005, 08:47 AM

You guys need to chill or this ones locked!

SaintFanInATLHELL · 04-26-2005, 09:08 AM

I see a comment about how lame AB is in every thread. 80% of the time, AB wasn\'t even the topic.

ZK,

It happened so much during the season last year I claimed it and named it SFIAH\'s Connundrum: every thread there eventually devolves into an AB debate.

Whodi, Billy, JKool, Saints-LB, Whodat, and the others have taken a break from it in the offseason. You\'ve been holding up the AB fort pretty well since you\'ve come on the scene. Billy (GumboBC) stridently supports Brooks because he know that it\'ll stir the pot.

My bottom line hasn\'t changed on Brooks. He has his problems. He needs to keep his yap shut. He does make mistakes. But at the end of the day when the defense comes to play, he runs the offense well enough for the team to win. The Saints with Brooks starting are 20-8, with a .714 winning percentage, when the team holds the opposition to under 21 points. To me that points to the fact that despite his imperfections, he\'s certainly good enough to help the team win.

The AMac pick probably signals the end of the AB era. AB still considers himself
a top 5 Pro Bowl QB. He isn\'t. Next offseason when the Saints ask him to restructure his contract for cap relief, his ego and his big yap will get in the way. Since the Saints will be upside down with his contract, from a cap perspective it\'ll make sense to release him.

Look to AMac to play sparingly this season, get a season of NFL Europe under his belt next Spring, and come back and be annointed the Man by the team starting in 2006.

The AB will be dead to the Saints, and the AMac debates will then begin.

SFIAH

[Edited on 26/4/2005 by SaintFanInATLHELL]

saintswhodi · 04-26-2005, 09:48 AM

I\'m starting to figure out why you\'re so maligned in this camp. Most of your responses were simply misquoting me, in an attempt to make me look silly.

I hope you\'re not the one that someone said \"sic em\" when I submitted my comparisons about AB to the \"elite\" QBs. Nothing you have shown would cause me to rethink my views, out of fear of reprisal from you.

Like I said the other night, I\'m a 5 yr vet of the wild, wild, west called usenet. You did\'nt merely express your opposing views. You called me out, in front of the whole camp. Therefore, I will be all up in you like an ovarian cyst. Just like I do every day in my other camp, with people like you.

It was all good, when I agreed with you when you were debating Whodat. Regarding misquoting you about Jake.. annoying, huh?
I read posts twice before my response, and know exactly why I said what.

You\'re swingin from Jake\'s jock about his Super Bowl performance, but give AB no credit for anything he has accomplished. For the record, I was just as impressed with Jake for that particular game. My feelings run hot and cold for AB. Difference between us? I\'ll give any player props for a great performance, just as I\'ll tear AB a new one for any lame outing.

:rollinglaugh: Misquotes? Let\'s look.

AB would\'ve been there, had he been traded to CAR.

Does this quote say AB would have taken the Panthers to the Superbowl or no?

I said that the Colts would get the same results with Kitna at QB meaning they would have the same records, and be bounced out of the playoffs with their suspect D.

Does this quote say Jon Kitna could lead the Colts to a 13-3 record or no? Since the Colts were 13-3, and the biggest part of it was Peyton\'s 48 TDs, then wouldn\'t Kitna have to throw 48 TDs to get them to that record?

Other than Peyton singlehandedly ending the Colts playoff runs, Id say that the Colts would\'ve had the same results with Kitna at QB.

Same results, Peyton had 48 TDs. Kitna would have too?

The Pats & Eagles have great Ds, which get them turnovers and prevent the other team from scoring.

Saints D was top ten in turnovers.

As far as half the penalties and drops, I just pulled that figure out of the sky.

As with most of the rest of these falsehoods.

As for the playoffs, QBs don\'t lead teams anywhere.

Interesting.

Wouldn\'t wanna misquote or anything.

JKool · 04-26-2005, 11:24 AM

Zulu,

I\'d help you out, but last time I got embroiled in this particular debate, I nearly quit the site.

You\'re doing a fine job, buy you\'re going to find that there are several pretty good positions one could take and defend on Brooks. It is almost impossible to move some people on this - I\'m convinced that is because the facts can be interpreted in radically different ways, and there is just a touch of how you extrapolate from those facts causing a problem too.

Eitherway, Whodi is a good guy, you just got to get to know him.

I\'m with Joe on this one though, this thread is going south fast.

DaRealAbdul · 04-26-2005, 11:43 AM

\"Why don\'t you enlighten the group about how many times you\'ve seen Peyton fold like a tent during Hurricane Betsy practically EVERY playoff game?\"

The caps are yours...

So I say...

That had to be the most irrelevant post I\'ve seen this month.

Tobias-Reiper · 04-26-2005, 12:27 PM

Just for the record, The Colts are 3-3 in playoff appearances wit Manning at QB, 2 of those losses to eventual SB champion N.E.

... at least he gets to fold like a tent in the playoffs...

Saintuary · 04-26-2005, 04:28 PM

Tell Bill Parcell he is what he is since we shoved that 27-13 victory up his azz. hehe

04-26-2005, 02:40 AM	#31
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04-26-2005, 03:14 AM	#32
Zulu--King 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 150	You are what you are? Yeah LB. I\'m converted. Shucks almighty dat Brooks sho nuff throw a pretty ball to that Gandy fella. I\'m starting to figure out why you\'re so maligned in this camp. Most of your responses were simply misquoting me, in an attempt to make me look silly. I hope you\'re not the one that someone said \"sic em\" when I submitted my comparisons about AB to the \"elite\" QBs. Nothing you have shown would cause me to rethink my views, out of fear of reprisal from you. Like I said the other night, I\'m a 5 yr vet of the wild, wild, west called usenet. You did\'nt merely express your opposing views. You called me out, in front of the whole camp. Therefore, I will be all up in you like an ovarian cyst. Just like I do every day in my other camp, with people like you. It was all good, when I agreed with you when you were debating Whodat. Regarding misquoting you about Jake.. annoying, huh? I read posts twice before my response, and know exactly why I said what. You\'re swingin from Jake\'s jock about his Super Bowl performance, but give AB no credit for anything he has accomplished. For the record, I was just as impressed with Jake for that particular game. My feelings run hot and cold for AB. Difference between us? I\'ll give any player props for a great performance, just as I\'ll tear AB a new one for any lame outing.
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04-26-2005, 08:47 AM	#33
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	You are what you are? You guys need to chill or this ones locked!

04-26-2005, 09:08 AM	#34
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	You are what you are? I see a comment about how lame AB is in every thread. 80% of the time, AB wasn\'t even the topic. ZK, It happened so much during the season last year I claimed it and named it SFIAH\'s Connundrum: every thread there eventually devolves into an AB debate. Whodi, Billy, JKool, Saints-LB, Whodat, and the others have taken a break from it in the offseason. You\'ve been holding up the AB fort pretty well since you\'ve come on the scene. Billy (GumboBC) stridently supports Brooks because he know that it\'ll stir the pot. My bottom line hasn\'t changed on Brooks. He has his problems. He needs to keep his yap shut. He does make mistakes. But at the end of the day when the defense comes to play, he runs the offense well enough for the team to win. The Saints with Brooks starting are 20-8, with a .714 winning percentage, when the team holds the opposition to under 21 points. To me that points to the fact that despite his imperfections, he\'s certainly good enough to help the team win. The AMac pick probably signals the end of the AB era. AB still considers himself a top 5 Pro Bowl QB. He isn\'t. Next offseason when the Saints ask him to restructure his contract for cap relief, his ego and his big yap will get in the way. Since the Saints will be upside down with his contract, from a cap perspective it\'ll make sense to release him. Look to AMac to play sparingly this season, get a season of NFL Europe under his belt next Spring, and come back and be annointed the Man by the team starting in 2006. The AB will be dead to the Saints, and the AMac debates will then begin. SFIAH [Edited on 26/4/2005 by SaintFanInATLHELL]
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04-26-2005, 09:48 AM	#35
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	You are what you are? I\'m starting to figure out why you\'re so maligned in this camp. Most of your responses were simply misquoting me, in an attempt to make me look silly. I hope you\'re not the one that someone said \"sic em\" when I submitted my comparisons about AB to the \"elite\" QBs. Nothing you have shown would cause me to rethink my views, out of fear of reprisal from you. Like I said the other night, I\'m a 5 yr vet of the wild, wild, west called usenet. You did\'nt merely express your opposing views. You called me out, in front of the whole camp. Therefore, I will be all up in you like an ovarian cyst. Just like I do every day in my other camp, with people like you. It was all good, when I agreed with you when you were debating Whodat. Regarding misquoting you about Jake.. annoying, huh? I read posts twice before my response, and know exactly why I said what. You\'re swingin from Jake\'s jock about his Super Bowl performance, but give AB no credit for anything he has accomplished. For the record, I was just as impressed with Jake for that particular game. My feelings run hot and cold for AB. Difference between us? I\'ll give any player props for a great performance, just as I\'ll tear AB a new one for any lame outing. :rollinglaugh: Misquotes? Let\'s look. AB would\'ve been there, had he been traded to CAR. Does this quote say AB would have taken the Panthers to the Superbowl or no? I said that the Colts would get the same results with Kitna at QB meaning they would have the same records, and be bounced out of the playoffs with their suspect D. Does this quote say Jon Kitna could lead the Colts to a 13-3 record or no? Since the Colts were 13-3, and the biggest part of it was Peyton\'s 48 TDs, then wouldn\'t Kitna have to throw 48 TDs to get them to that record? Other than Peyton singlehandedly ending the Colts playoff runs, Id say that the Colts would\'ve had the same results with Kitna at QB. Same results, Peyton had 48 TDs. Kitna would have too? The Pats & Eagles have great Ds, which get them turnovers and prevent the other team from scoring. Saints D was top ten in turnovers. As far as half the penalties and drops, I just pulled that figure out of the sky. As with most of the rest of these falsehoods. As for the playoffs, QBs don\'t lead teams anywhere. Interesting. Wouldn\'t wanna misquote or anything.

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04-26-2005, 11:24 AM	#36
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	You are what you are? Zulu, I\'d help you out, but last time I got embroiled in this particular debate, I nearly quit the site. You\'re doing a fine job, buy you\'re going to find that there are several pretty good positions one could take and defend on Brooks. It is almost impossible to move some people on this - I\'m convinced that is because the facts can be interpreted in radically different ways, and there is just a touch of how you extrapolate from those facts causing a problem too. Eitherway, Whodi is a good guy, you just got to get to know him. I\'m with Joe on this one though, this thread is going south fast.
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04-26-2005, 11:43 AM	#37
DaRealAbdul Rookie Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kenner Posts: 18	You are what you are? \"Why don\'t you enlighten the group about how many times you\'ve seen Peyton fold like a tent during Hurricane Betsy practically EVERY playoff game?\" The caps are yours... So I say... That had to be the most irrelevant post I\'ve seen this month.

04-26-2005, 12:27 PM	#38
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	You are what you are? Just for the record, The Colts are 3-3 in playoff appearances wit Manning at QB, 2 of those losses to eventual SB champion N.E. ... at least he gets to fold like a tent in the playoffs...

04-26-2005, 04:28 PM	#39
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