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Tobias-Reiper · 04-26-2005, 06:03 PM

Anyway, that was not the point of the post... it was to merely point out that the wonderlic the NFL prospects get is not meant to test intelligence, that it attempts to measure cognitive ability, and why some NFL FO\'s may put weigth on it...

..it is just another part of the equation, right there with 40 times in perfect conditions without pads, or bench pressing, etc. , to give FO\'s what they think is a total picture of a player...

Yep, another measurable. Unfortunately this team has had its share of atheletes with good measurables.
We don\'t have enough \"football\" players. I think this kid is a football player, as well as having every single measureable you could ever want in an O-lineman, except a high wonderlic.

.. and I agree with you...

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blackwidows · 04-26-2005, 09:12 PM

Interesting Brock Berlin QB from Miami sliped pretty far in the draft because of the wonderlic score exam he scored a 13. Intresting Dan Marino\'s playing number for the Dolphins was 13.

saintsfan1313 · 04-26-2005, 10:08 PM

No, Brock Berlin\'s draft status slipped because he is a

-ty QB. It had nothing to do with the wonderlic

[Edited on 27/4/2005 by saintsfan1313]

LordOfEntropy · 04-27-2005, 10:26 AM

There -are- certain situations where a high wonderlic certainly wouldn\'t hurt. Like at center, for instance, or at quarterback.

Don\'t we agree that a QB that learns/reacts more quickly is less likely to make mental mistakes? And that could certainly certainly be a factor in a close game.

I bring up the example (as someone else did in this thread) of AB\'s propensity for wasted time-outs. He could play smarter than that. And he\'s consistent about it.

I think that we all know that Wonderlic is not the end-all and be-all of playing football. But I also think it\'s fairly reasonable to state that at certain positions, and in certain situations, a high wonderlic can be an asset. Whereas a low one could be a detriment.

GumboBC · 04-27-2005, 04:44 PM

I bring up the example (as someone else did in this thread) of AB\'s propensity for wasted time-outs. He could play smarter than that. And he\'s consistent about it.

What I\'m about to say has very little to do with Aaron Brooks and more to do with getting to the truth.

You stated that AB wasted timeouts. When, in fact, it\'s been widely reported that by Jim Haslett that they weren\'t getting the play to AB in time to get the play off.

Which is one of the reasons why they are cutting down on the lengthy teminology of the plays.

With the facts I know .. it seems to me that Brooks wasn\'t at fault. Guess that depends on whether or not you believe Haslett.

[Edited on 27/4/2005 by GumboBC]

Tobias-Reiper · 04-27-2005, 04:52 PM

... Haslett says a lotta heckuva things...

LordOfEntropy · 04-27-2005, 07:53 PM

Alright Gumbo, I retract that remark about timeouts as an example. Assuming that\'s why all the timeouts where wasted, then that was a bad example to pose. And problems calling in plays is a beliveable difficulty of which I was unaware.

Let\'s try a different tack, but bearing on the same point I was making.

Q: everything else being equal, would you rather have a smart quarterback, or a dumb one?

Q: do you believe that wonderlic scores have any value whatsoever as intelligence indicators?

Those are the issues I was addressing.

GumboBC · 04-27-2005, 08:07 PM

LordOfEntropy

I\'d rather have an intelligent QB over a dummy.

I don\'t place a lot of value in the wonderlic test as a true indicator of intelligence. It\'s not designed to measure intelligence. It\'s designed to see how fast you can answer a buch of questions in a short period of time. Sounds more like a \"decision-making\" test to me?

Just wanted to clear the thing up about Brooks being responsible for burning those timeouts.

Saint_LB · 04-27-2005, 08:22 PM

The wonderlic has absolutely no value whatsoever. They just give these guys the test because they need a break to go get coffee and doughnuts. Those coaches and scouts are constantly looking for things to do to fill the extra time they have. They probably just give it so they can all sit around and have a big laugh after everyone else is gone.

blackwidows · 04-27-2005, 08:42 PM

Hey watch it buddy your talking to a big time mioami hurricanes fan. And no Brock berlin is not a ****ty qb. If he is a ****ty qb how can you explain the come from behind comeback againts the Florida gators last year. I guess you forgot about that.

04-26-2005, 06:03 PM	#21
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	brown-wonderlic score-12 Anyway, that was not the point of the post... it was to merely point out that the wonderlic the NFL prospects get is not meant to test intelligence, that it attempts to measure cognitive ability, and why some NFL FO\'s may put weigth on it... ..it is just another part of the equation, right there with 40 times in perfect conditions without pads, or bench pressing, etc. , to give FO\'s what they think is a total picture of a player... Yep, another measurable. Unfortunately this team has had its share of atheletes with good measurables. We don\'t have enough \"football\" players. I think this kid is a football player, as well as having every single measureable you could ever want in an O-lineman, except a high wonderlic. .. and I agree with you... .

04-26-2005, 09:12 PM	#22
blackwidows 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 245	brown-wonderlic score-12 Interesting Brock Berlin QB from Miami sliped pretty far in the draft because of the wonderlic score exam he scored a 13. Intresting Dan Marino\'s playing number for the Dolphins was 13.
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04-26-2005, 10:08 PM	#23
saintsfan1313 El Mero Mero Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Kingsville, Tx Posts: 669	brown-wonderlic score-12 No, Brock Berlin\'s draft status slipped because he is a -ty QB. It had nothing to do with the wonderlic [Edited on 27/4/2005 by saintsfan1313]

04-27-2005, 10:26 AM	#24
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	brown-wonderlic score-12 There -are- certain situations where a high wonderlic certainly wouldn\'t hurt. Like at center, for instance, or at quarterback. Don\'t we agree that a QB that learns/reacts more quickly is less likely to make mental mistakes? And that could certainly certainly be a factor in a close game. I bring up the example (as someone else did in this thread) of AB\'s propensity for wasted time-outs. He could play smarter than that. And he\'s consistent about it. I think that we all know that Wonderlic is not the end-all and be-all of playing football. But I also think it\'s fairly reasonable to state that at certain positions, and in certain situations, a high wonderlic can be an asset. Whereas a low one could be a detriment.
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04-27-2005, 04:44 PM	#25
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	brown-wonderlic score-12 I bring up the example (as someone else did in this thread) of AB\'s propensity for wasted time-outs. He could play smarter than that. And he\'s consistent about it. What I\'m about to say has very little to do with Aaron Brooks and more to do with getting to the truth. You stated that AB wasted timeouts. When, in fact, it\'s been widely reported that by Jim Haslett that they weren\'t getting the play to AB in time to get the play off. Which is one of the reasons why they are cutting down on the lengthy teminology of the plays. With the facts I know .. it seems to me that Brooks wasn\'t at fault. Guess that depends on whether or not you believe Haslett. [Edited on 27/4/2005 by GumboBC]
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04-27-2005, 04:52 PM	#26
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	brown-wonderlic score-12 ... Haslett says a lotta heckuva things...

04-27-2005, 07:53 PM	#27
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	brown-wonderlic score-12 Alright Gumbo, I retract that remark about timeouts as an example. Assuming that\'s why all the timeouts where wasted, then that was a bad example to pose. And problems calling in plays is a beliveable difficulty of which I was unaware. Let\'s try a different tack, but bearing on the same point I was making. Q: everything else being equal, would you rather have a smart quarterback, or a dumb one? Q: do you believe that wonderlic scores have any value whatsoever as intelligence indicators? Those are the issues I was addressing.

04-27-2005, 08:07 PM	#28
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	brown-wonderlic score-12 LordOfEntropy I\'d rather have an intelligent QB over a dummy. I don\'t place a lot of value in the wonderlic test as a true indicator of intelligence. It\'s not designed to measure intelligence. It\'s designed to see how fast you can answer a buch of questions in a short period of time. Sounds more like a \"decision-making\" test to me? Just wanted to clear the thing up about Brooks being responsible for burning those timeouts.
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04-27-2005, 08:22 PM	#29
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	brown-wonderlic score-12 The wonderlic has absolutely no value whatsoever. They just give these guys the test because they need a break to go get coffee and doughnuts. Those coaches and scouts are constantly looking for things to do to fill the extra time they have. They probably just give it so they can all sit around and have a big laugh after everyone else is gone.
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04-27-2005, 08:42 PM	#30
blackwidows 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 245	brown-wonderlic score-12 Hey watch it buddy your talking to a big time mioami hurricanes fan. And no Brock berlin is not a **ty qb. If he is a **ty qb how can you explain the come from behind comeback againts the Florida gators last year. I guess you forgot about that.
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