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GumboBC · 04-27-2005, 07:45 PM

The wonderlic has absolutely no value whatsoever. They just give these guys the test because they need a break to go get coffee and doughnuts. Those coaches and scouts are constantly looking for things to do to fill the extra time they have. They probably just give it so they can all sit around and have a big laugh after everyone else is gone.

Ya think?

See ... this is where I often get myself in trouble.

I could post an article in which Charlie Wonderlic said he didn\'t design the \'woderlic\' test to measure intelligence.

But, I\'d get accused of making things up or promoting some personal agenda I have ... :P

When, in fact, I\'m just trying to get to the truth. Or have more information to determine what the truth really is.

Sometimes people trip over the facts on their way to the question?

Okay ... I\'m just kidding. Not about what Charie Wondelic said, though.

I posted the article last year on the wonderlic test.

WhoDat · 04-27-2005, 08:02 PM

I don\'t place a lot of value in the wonderlic test as a true indicator of intelligence. It\'s not designed to measure intelligence. It\'s designed to see how fast you can answer a buch of questions in a short period of time. Sounds more like a \"decision-making\" test to me?

I agree.

I\'ll modify one question and ask another.

First, everything else being equal, would you rather have a QB who can make quick and/or good decisions, or one who cannot???

(Doesn\'t it stand to reason that AB is at a disadvantage as an NFL QB if his ability to make decisions in a short period of time or pressure situation is below the average of ALL NFL players, let alone QBs???)

Second, how many really smart people do you know who are not able to make quick decisions?

(And let\'s clarify one thing here. This is not a \"should I buy a Mercedes or BMW???\" This is A love B, B loves C, does A therefore love C? These test a person\'s ability to make an accurate and quick decision given minimal straight forward facts. So again, how many real smart people do you know who can\'t do those basic types of decisions on an at least average basis? In other words, isn\'t there some relationship between intelligence and an ability to make these types of decisions??)

Danno · 04-28-2005, 06:39 AM

Is it a written test? I heard he is an extremely slow reader. That probably wouldn\'t bode well for a timed test.

I still wouldn\'t worry about it.

Saint_LB · 04-28-2005, 06:51 AM

Did anyone read those sample questions from the link in TR\'s post? I found two or three questions to be a little difficult to work out in my head real quick, so I skipped those and went on to the next. I was just wondering if they put those questions in there to see if someone will bog down or go on. I am assuming, of course, that you are allowed to do that.

LordOfEntropy · 04-28-2005, 10:19 AM

My God. I just took a look at those questions.... My pet hamster could answer those questions! That isn\'t a test for intelligence, rather that\'s a test for a complete lack thereof.

Seriously, if that\'s the caliber of the material, and people are struggling with it, then not only am I shocked - I am outright disgusted. For Pete\'s SAKE!!

Sample Question: \"OK Bob, here\'s your question. What... is your...... name?..... \"

\"... You have 30 seconds Bob..... it ends with a B..... it ends with a B.... what is it Bob?...... 20 seconds left Bob....\"

saintsfan1313 · 04-28-2005, 02:15 PM

Alright blackwidows, lets dance:

We are all die-hard saints fans, but we can all admit when one of our players isnt the best thing since sliced bread.

This guy has a very inconsistent 2003 season, throws 17 INT\'s and 12 TD\'s. That on a very talented Miami squad is near impossible. He basically plays 2 seasons for the Hurricanes, has a crappy junior season. Stats are very hard to go off of in college because of the gap in talent in most games and sitting out in decisive victories. Lets take a look at some important games:

@VTech: 16 of 31 139yds-0 TD\'s, 1 INt. Game the lost, 16-10
Clemson: 22 of 46 245 yds-0 TD\'s, 0 Ints. They won in OT

Those are really the only games of meaning in the 2004 season. Now lets take a look at your beloved Florida game:

I\'m assuming you are talking about the game in the 2003 season??? Or is it the 2004 season game vs. the Gators. We will look at both:

2003 vs. Gators
Recap, statistically in the 2nd half he was great. But did we forget about the 2 int\'s he threw to go along with the fumble he had returned for a touchdown. The reason they went down so quickly, was due to his play. But, he still had 340 yds and 2 td\'s, to go along with 2 int\'s and a fumble. Not exactly the greatest game in college history. This game also capped off a season were he threw 17 INT\'s and 12 TD\'s.
Now leading your team to one big win in a game means jack. Even the sun shines on a dog\'s A$$ every once in a while. Ask the Saints

2004 vs. Gators

He had a whooping 13-24 171yds. 1 TD vs. 1 INT

baronm · 04-28-2005, 02:19 PM

We are all die-hard saints fans, but we can all admit when one of our players isnt the best thing since sliced bread.

most of us can anyway...

My God. I just took a look at those questions.... My pet hamster could answer those questions! That isn\'t a test for intelligence, rather that\'s a test for a complete lack thereof.

Seriously, if that\'s the caliber of the material, and people are struggling with it, then not only am I shocked - I am outright disgusted. For Pete\'s SAKE!!

its\' like the anylytical portion of the GRE....and yes..to score woeful on it is pretty amazing...Sometimes I wonder if it shows a lack of common sense than intellegence...but hey.

GumboBC · 04-28-2005, 02:29 PM

Let me throw some names at you guys ...

Peppers ( twice )
Strahan
Udeze
Schobel
Kerney( twice)
Little
Ogunleye
McGinnest/Vrabel
Abraham

That\'s 11 games that we are going to face some fierce pass-rushers. Hopefully, the \'wonderlic\' test won\'t give up an sacks. It hasn\'t hurt Brown in 2 years.

Jammal Brown said he only gave up one sack in 2 years. And get this ... he said the QB was supposed to spike the ball but he decided not to. HAHA!!

LordOfEntropy · 04-28-2005, 03:08 PM

...Sometimes I wonder if it shows a lack of common sense than intellegence...but hey.

I have to wonder. Those questions certainly weren\'t differentail equations, rocket science, or dissertations on Crime & Punishment. Those questions were from elementary school -if that.

What really gets me is these guys are (supposedly) college seniors.... average 6th graders could answer those questions.

I know that athletes get the free ride, but Jesus.....

Hey, man, -I- could answer those questions, no problem, and believe me, I\'m a moron, I mean it - an absolute imbecile, a cetified bonehead, a borderline CRETIN. I never even finished -high- school (much less college).

And AB struggled on THAT!?! After four years of college?!? My god. I just don\'t know what else to say. I\'m shocked.

The guy is dumber than a box of rocks.

ssmitty · 04-28-2005, 03:21 PM

...Sometimes I wonder if it shows a lack of common sense than intellegence...but hey.

I have to wonder. Those questions certainly weren\'t differentail equations, rocket science, or dissertations on Crime & Punishment. Those questions were from elementary school -if that.

What really gets me is these guys are (supposedly) college seniors.... average 6th graders could answer those questions.

I know that athletes get the free ride, but Jesus.....

Hey, man, -I- could answer those questions, no problem, and believe me, I\'m a moron, I mean it - an absolute imbecile, a cetified bonehead, a borderline CRETIN. I never even finished -high- school (much less college).

And AB struggled on THAT!?! After four years of college?!? My god. I just don\'t know what else to say. I\'m shocked.

The guy is dumber than a box of rocks.

if i may loe...................that\'s mr. moron to all you other members.......................anytime i can be of more service, let me know.............smitty

04-27-2005, 07:45 PM	#31
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	brown-wonderlic score-12 The wonderlic has absolutely no value whatsoever. They just give these guys the test because they need a break to go get coffee and doughnuts. Those coaches and scouts are constantly looking for things to do to fill the extra time they have. They probably just give it so they can all sit around and have a big laugh after everyone else is gone. Ya think? See ... this is where I often get myself in trouble. I could post an article in which Charlie Wonderlic said he didn\'t design the \'woderlic\' test to measure intelligence. But, I\'d get accused of making things up or promoting some personal agenda I have ... :P When, in fact, I\'m just trying to get to the truth. Or have more information to determine what the truth really is. Sometimes people trip over the facts on their way to the question? Okay ... I\'m just kidding. Not about what Charie Wondelic said, though. I posted the article last year on the wonderlic test.
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04-27-2005, 08:02 PM	#32
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	brown-wonderlic score-12 I don\'t place a lot of value in the wonderlic test as a true indicator of intelligence. It\'s not designed to measure intelligence. It\'s designed to see how fast you can answer a buch of questions in a short period of time. Sounds more like a \"decision-making\" test to me? I agree. I\'ll modify one question and ask another. First, everything else being equal, would you rather have a QB who can make quick and/or good decisions, or one who cannot??? (Doesn\'t it stand to reason that AB is at a disadvantage as an NFL QB if his ability to make decisions in a short period of time or pressure situation is below the average of ALL NFL players, let alone QBs???) Second, how many really smart people do you know who are not able to make quick decisions? (And let\'s clarify one thing here. This is not a \"should I buy a Mercedes or BMW???\" This is A love B, B loves C, does A therefore love C? These test a person\'s ability to make an accurate and quick decision given minimal straight forward facts. So again, how many real smart people do you know who can\'t do those basic types of decisions on an at least average basis? In other words, isn\'t there some relationship between intelligence and an ability to make these types of decisions??)
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04-28-2005, 06:39 AM	#33
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	brown-wonderlic score-12 Is it a written test? I heard he is an extremely slow reader. That probably wouldn\'t bode well for a timed test. I still wouldn\'t worry about it.

04-28-2005, 06:51 AM	#34
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	brown-wonderlic score-12 Did anyone read those sample questions from the link in TR\'s post? I found two or three questions to be a little difficult to work out in my head real quick, so I skipped those and went on to the next. I was just wondering if they put those questions in there to see if someone will bog down or go on. I am assuming, of course, that you are allowed to do that.
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04-28-2005, 10:19 AM	#35
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	brown-wonderlic score-12 My God. I just took a look at those questions.... My pet hamster could answer those questions! That isn\'t a test for intelligence, rather that\'s a test for a complete lack thereof. Seriously, if that\'s the caliber of the material, and people are struggling with it, then not only am I shocked - I am outright disgusted. For Pete\'s SAKE!! Sample Question: \"OK Bob, here\'s your question. What... is your...... name?..... \" \"... You have 30 seconds Bob..... it ends with a B..... it ends with a B.... what is it Bob?...... 20 seconds left Bob....\"

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04-28-2005, 02:15 PM	#36
saintsfan1313 El Mero Mero Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Kingsville, Tx Posts: 669	brown-wonderlic score-12 Alright blackwidows, lets dance: We are all die-hard saints fans, but we can all admit when one of our players isnt the best thing since sliced bread. This guy has a very inconsistent 2003 season, throws 17 INT\'s and 12 TD\'s. That on a very talented Miami squad is near impossible. He basically plays 2 seasons for the Hurricanes, has a crappy junior season. Stats are very hard to go off of in college because of the gap in talent in most games and sitting out in decisive victories. Lets take a look at some important games: @VTech: 16 of 31 139yds-0 TD\'s, 1 INt. Game the lost, 16-10 Clemson: 22 of 46 245 yds-0 TD\'s, 0 Ints. They won in OT Those are really the only games of meaning in the 2004 season. Now lets take a look at your beloved Florida game: I\'m assuming you are talking about the game in the 2003 season??? Or is it the 2004 season game vs. the Gators. We will look at both: 2003 vs. Gators Recap, statistically in the 2nd half he was great. But did we forget about the 2 int\'s he threw to go along with the fumble he had returned for a touchdown. The reason they went down so quickly, was due to his play. But, he still had 340 yds and 2 td\'s, to go along with 2 int\'s and a fumble. Not exactly the greatest game in college history. This game also capped off a season were he threw 17 INT\'s and 12 TD\'s. Now leading your team to one big win in a game means jack. Even the sun shines on a dog\'s A$$ every once in a while. Ask the Saints 2004 vs. Gators He had a whooping 13-24 171yds. 1 TD vs. 1 INT
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04-28-2005, 02:19 PM	#37
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	brown-wonderlic score-12 We are all die-hard saints fans, but we can all admit when one of our players isnt the best thing since sliced bread. most of us can anyway... My God. I just took a look at those questions.... My pet hamster could answer those questions! That isn\'t a test for intelligence, rather that\'s a test for a complete lack thereof. Seriously, if that\'s the caliber of the material, and people are struggling with it, then not only am I shocked - I am outright disgusted. For Pete\'s SAKE!! its\' like the anylytical portion of the GRE....and yes..to score woeful on it is pretty amazing...Sometimes I wonder if it shows a lack of common sense than intellegence...but hey.
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04-28-2005, 02:29 PM	#38
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	brown-wonderlic score-12 Let me throw some names at you guys ... Peppers ( twice ) Strahan Udeze Schobel Kerney( twice) Little Ogunleye McGinnest/Vrabel Abraham That\'s 11 games that we are going to face some fierce pass-rushers. Hopefully, the \'wonderlic\' test won\'t give up an sacks. It hasn\'t hurt Brown in 2 years. Jammal Brown said he only gave up one sack in 2 years. And get this ... he said the QB was supposed to spike the ball but he decided not to. HAHA!!
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04-28-2005, 03:08 PM	#39
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	brown-wonderlic score-12 ...Sometimes I wonder if it shows a lack of common sense than intellegence...but hey. I have to wonder. Those questions certainly weren\'t differentail equations, rocket science, or dissertations on Crime & Punishment. Those questions were from elementary school -if that. What really gets me is these guys are (supposedly) college seniors.... average 6th graders could answer those questions. I know that athletes get the free ride, but Jesus..... Hey, man, -I- could answer those questions, no problem, and believe me, I\'m a moron, I mean it - an absolute imbecile, a cetified bonehead, a borderline CRETIN. I never even finished -high- school (much less college). And AB struggled on THAT!?! After four years of college?!? My god. I just don\'t know what else to say. I\'m shocked. The guy is dumber than a box of rocks.
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04-28-2005, 03:21 PM	#40
ssmitty 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,879	brown-wonderlic score-12 ...Sometimes I wonder if it shows a lack of common sense than intellegence...but hey. I have to wonder. Those questions certainly weren\'t differentail equations, rocket science, or dissertations on Crime & Punishment. Those questions were from elementary school -if that. What really gets me is these guys are (supposedly) college seniors.... average 6th graders could answer those questions. I know that athletes get the free ride, but Jesus..... Hey, man, -I- could answer those questions, no problem, and believe me, I\'m a moron, I mean it - an absolute imbecile, a cetified bonehead, a borderline CRETIN. I never even finished -high- school (much less college). And AB struggled on THAT!?! After four years of college?!? My god. I just don\'t know what else to say. I\'m shocked. The guy is dumber than a box of rocks. if i may loe...................that\'s mr. moron to all you other members.......................anytime i can be of more service, let me know.............smitty
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