My thought on the 2018 draft

triman · 04-30-2018, 10:18 AM

I don't know about you but I'm always down after the NFL draft,I see where we passed on a player that I had a vision for. We didn't address a certain position or pick some player I hadn't heard of. All of us obsessing fans have to face the fact that we are amateurs and these other guys are the pros .I don't think that we are ignorant of that we are wrong. The personnel people are wrong often but they are better informed than me and you. Some of the players we picked will exceed our expectations and other will not. This happens on every team.
I am excited to see how it all plays out
We all need to just relax and enjoy what will be a interesting training camp
It is just a game
It is just a game
It is just a game
WHO DAT

triman · 04-30-2018, 10:43 AM

Where the saints failed was in not being able to fill needs at TE,DT,LB.

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2018, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by triman

Where the saints failed was in not being able to fill needs at TE,DT,LB.

Those needs were nowhere as critical as with the need for a quality edge rusher. We have Ben Watson, Fleener and Josh Hill at TE. That's not really bad. We also have Onyemata and Tyeler Davison in addition to Sheldon Rankins at DT. By adding Davenport at the other DE it is going to help free up the middle. As for linebacker, the addition of Mario Davis could very well be more important than any LB we could have drafted. We still have A.J. Klien, who looked great, as well as Anzalone, Te'o, Craig Robertson, Stupar, Mauti and Kikaha on the squad. There is a lot of speed in that group. And don't forget we have DL coach Ryan Neilsen and LB coach Mike Nolan now in their second year.

What we really needed more was depth on the offensive line and improvement to the special teams. Those more dire needs were very well addressed.

Rugby Saint II · 04-29-2018, 01:07 PM

I read earlier where someone said that this felt more like a Payton/Loomis draft. It seems like Ireland has done a good job of scaling back on Payton's tendency to gamble big in recent years but just couldn't keep a lid on it this year.

The gambles are big but so are the rewards. It may take more than just training camp to find these young players max potential. I guess I'm in a wait and see mode.

nola_swammi · 04-29-2018, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I read earlier where someone said that this felt more like a Payton/Loomis draft. It seems like Ireland has done a good job of scaling back on Payton's tendency to gamble big in recent years but just couldn't keep a lid on it this year.

The gambles are big but so are the rewards. It may take more than just training camp to find these young players max potential. I guess I'm in a wait and see mode.

Waiting to see if to credit Ireland or Blame Payton/Loomis for this draft?

MarchingOn · 04-29-2018, 02:00 PM

Dikta bad? Doubtful. But possible.

This board hasn't panned a draft like this since 2014's.

CB (and I use the term lightly) Jean-Baptiste in the 2nd was Dikta bad and - with WR Landry still available - criminal.

Fortt in the 4th? Dikta-bad and with his medical history, criminal.

Tavon Rooks in the 6th? Joke. Dikta-bad.

I wonder if some in our FO could no longer bear to see the spotlight shift to Ireland for credit in our last two great drafts. Cannot see this being an Ireland draft.

Barry from MS · 04-29-2018, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by MarchingOn

This board hasn't panned a draft like this since 2014's.

Careful now. We're not allowed to pan this draft b/c we're not scouts, coaches, or GMs. We're just YouTube highlight monitors.

That's the requirement for questioning any & all picks, apparently.

AsylumGuido · 04-29-2018, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

Careful now. We're not allowed to pan this draft b/c we're not scouts, coaches, or GMs. We're just YouTube highlight monitors.

That's the requirement for questioning any & all picks, apparently.

No. It's because you are not psychics hovering over your crystal balls knowing all. The fact is that none of us have a fraction of the information that the true decision makers have at their availability. How many of us have personally interviewed these players? How many of us have worked them out?

Pan away, but be prepared to eat the proverbial crow.

Barry from MS · 04-29-2018, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

No. It's because you are not psychics hovering over your crystal balls knowing all. The fact is that none of us have a fraction of the information that the true decision makers have at their availability. How many of us have personally interviewed these players? How many of us have worked them out?

Pan away, but be prepared to eat the proverbial crow.

Nobody is claiming to be psychics or knowing it all. And your questions are designed to intimidate anyone who disagrees by infusing the unrealistic & the improbable.

None of us met & worked out all 250+ prospects individually. None of us work for or in an NFL war room. Yet that's your prevailing argument for any voice that questions anything this great team does. It's an intimidation tactic that's designed to render opposing opinion invalid & worthless.

The Saints F.O. is not infallible. I give props where props are due. The 3rd Rd pick was decent and the 5th-7th Rd picks were on point. I just don't like the price we paid for MD (unless he Pro Bowls it in 3-5 yrs). The 4th was a complete waste.

There are very knowledgeable football folks on here...30+ years worth for a bunch of us. We should have a voice without the veiled intimidation.

When MD becomes a Pro Bowler & Slick Rick cracks the PS, I'll go on the "All Crow" diet.

AsylumGuido · 04-29-2018, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

Nobody is claiming to be psychics or knowing it all. And your questions are designed to intimidate anyone who disagrees by infusing the unrealistic & the improbable.

None of us met & worked out all 250+ prospects individually. None of us work for or in an NFL war room. Yet that's your prevailing argument for any voice that questions anything this great team does. It's an intimidation tactic that's designed to render opposing opinion invalid & worthless.

The Saints F.O. is not infallible. I give props where props are due. The 3rd Rd pick was decent and the 5th-7th Rd picks were on point. I just don't like the price we paid for MD (unless he Pro Bowls it in 3-5 yrs). The 4th was a complete waste.

There are very knowledgeable football folks on here...30+ years worth for a bunch of us. We should have a voice without the veiled intimidation.

When MD becomes a Pro Bowler & Slick Rick cracks the PS, I'll go on the "All Crow" diet.

And what do you base your biased proclamation that the 4th round pick was a total waste? If he becomes the versatile swing OL that we need then how is that a total waste? How do you already know that is the final outcome?

I just guess we swing different ways. You choose to expect the worst while I more realistically choose to expect and hope for the best and wait to see how things shape up.

04-30-2018, 10:18 AM	#1
triman 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 783	Re: My thought on the 2018 draft I don't know about you but I'm always down after the NFL draft,I see where we passed on a player that I had a vision for. We didn't address a certain position or pick some player I hadn't heard of. All of us obsessing fans have to face the fact that we are amateurs and these other guys are the pros .I don't think that we are ignorant of that we are wrong. The personnel people are wrong often but they are better informed than me and you. Some of the players we picked will exceed our expectations and other will not. This happens on every team. I am excited to see how it all plays out We all need to just relax and enjoy what will be a interesting training camp It is just a game It is just a game It is just a game WHO DAT AsylumGuido likes this.
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04-30-2018, 10:43 AM	#2
triman 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 783	Re: My thought on the 2018 draft Where the saints failed was in not being able to fill needs at TE,DT,LB.
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04-30-2018, 10:58 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: My thought on the 2018 draft Originally Posted by triman Where the saints failed was in not being able to fill needs at TE,DT,LB. Those needs were nowhere as critical as with the need for a quality edge rusher. We have Ben Watson, Fleener and Josh Hill at TE. That's not really bad. We also have Onyemata and Tyeler Davison in addition to Sheldon Rankins at DT. By adding Davenport at the other DE it is going to help free up the middle. As for linebacker, the addition of Mario Davis could very well be more important than any LB we could have drafted. We still have A.J. Klien, who looked great, as well as Anzalone, Te'o, Craig Robertson, Stupar, Mauti and Kikaha on the squad. There is a lot of speed in that group. And don't forget we have DL coach Ryan Neilsen and LB coach Mike Nolan now in their second year. What we really needed more was depth on the offensive line and improvement to the special teams. Those more dire needs were very well addressed.
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04-29-2018, 01:07 PM	#4
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,133	Re: My thought on the 2018 draft I read earlier where someone said that this felt more like a Payton/Loomis draft. It seems like Ireland has done a good job of scaling back on Payton's tendency to gamble big in recent years but just couldn't keep a lid on it this year. The gambles are big but so are the rewards. It may take more than just training camp to find these young players max potential. I guess I'm in a wait and see mode.

04-29-2018, 02:48 PM	#5
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: My thought on the 2018 draft Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I read earlier where someone said that this felt more like a Payton/Loomis draft. It seems like Ireland has done a good job of scaling back on Payton's tendency to gamble big in recent years but just couldn't keep a lid on it this year. The gambles are big but so are the rewards. It may take more than just training camp to find these young players max potential. I guess I'm in a wait and see mode. Waiting to see if to credit Ireland or Blame Payton/Loomis for this draft?

04-29-2018, 02:00 PM	#6
MarchingOn 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 387 Blog Entries: 1	Re: My thought on the 2018 draft Dikta bad? Doubtful. But possible. This board hasn't panned a draft like this since 2014's. CB (and I use the term lightly) Jean-Baptiste in the 2nd was Dikta bad and - with WR Landry still available - criminal. Fortt in the 4th? Dikta-bad and with his medical history, criminal. Tavon Rooks in the 6th? Joke. Dikta-bad. I wonder if some in our FO could no longer bear to see the spotlight shift to Ireland for credit in our last two great drafts. Cannot see this being an Ireland draft.

04-29-2018, 02:24 PM	#7
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: My thought on the 2018 draft Originally Posted by MarchingOn This board hasn't panned a draft like this since 2014's. Careful now. We're not allowed to pan this draft b/c we're not scouts, coaches, or GMs. We're just YouTube highlight monitors. That's the requirement for questioning any & all picks, apparently.

04-29-2018, 02:30 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: My thought on the 2018 draft Originally Posted by Barry from MS Careful now. We're not allowed to pan this draft b/c we're not scouts, coaches, or GMs. We're just YouTube highlight monitors. That's the requirement for questioning any & all picks, apparently. No. It's because you are not psychics hovering over your crystal balls knowing all. The fact is that none of us have a fraction of the information that the true decision makers have at their availability. How many of us have personally interviewed these players? How many of us have worked them out? Pan away, but be prepared to eat the proverbial crow.

04-29-2018, 03:08 PM	#9
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: My thought on the 2018 draft Originally Posted by AsylumGuido No. It's because you are not psychics hovering over your crystal balls knowing all. The fact is that none of us have a fraction of the information that the true decision makers have at their availability. How many of us have personally interviewed these players? How many of us have worked them out? Pan away, but be prepared to eat the proverbial crow. Nobody is claiming to be psychics or knowing it all. And your questions are designed to intimidate anyone who disagrees by infusing the unrealistic & the improbable. None of us met & worked out all 250+ prospects individually. None of us work for or in an NFL war room. Yet that's your prevailing argument for any voice that questions anything this great team does. It's an intimidation tactic that's designed to render opposing opinion invalid & worthless. The Saints F.O. is not infallible. I give props where props are due. The 3rd Rd pick was decent and the 5th-7th Rd picks were on point. I just don't like the price we paid for MD (unless he Pro Bowls it in 3-5 yrs). The 4th was a complete waste. There are very knowledgeable football folks on here...30+ years worth for a bunch of us. We should have a voice without the veiled intimidation. When MD becomes a Pro Bowler & Slick Rick cracks the PS, I'll go on the "All Crow" diet.
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04-29-2018, 03:11 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: My thought on the 2018 draft Originally Posted by Barry from MS Nobody is claiming to be psychics or knowing it all. And your questions are designed to intimidate anyone who disagrees by infusing the unrealistic & the improbable. None of us met & worked out all 250+ prospects individually. None of us work for or in an NFL war room. Yet that's your prevailing argument for any voice that questions anything this great team does. It's an intimidation tactic that's designed to render opposing opinion invalid & worthless. The Saints F.O. is not infallible. I give props where props are due. The 3rd Rd pick was decent and the 5th-7th Rd picks were on point. I just don't like the price we paid for MD (unless he Pro Bowls it in 3-5 yrs). The 4th was a complete waste. There are very knowledgeable football folks on here...30+ years worth for a bunch of us. We should have a voice without the veiled intimidation. When MD becomes a Pro Bowler & Slick Rick cracks the PS, I'll go on the "All Crow" diet. And what do you base your biased proclamation that the 4th round pick was a total waste? If he becomes the versatile swing OL that we need then how is that a total waste? How do you already know that is the final outcome? I just guess we swing different ways. You choose to expect the worst while I more realistically choose to expect and hope for the best and wait to see how things shape up.

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