Appreciate of some y'all's optimism, really I do and I don't engage to make light of it - have too much respect for y'all - my post history will show that...

But this "no second guessing" and "in Loomis we trust" is naive to not question the FO moves; only local media defends the haul with 'wait and see" as a defense...

Let's not forget Payton and Loomis had one great draft, one, in their tenure; and no, don't give them credit for 2006 where all 32 teams passed on Colston and Strief...

And I'd remind Loomis was GM when we traded two first round picks passing on eight All-Pro players for Johnathan Sullivan; also on Stanley Jean Baptiste...

And we still can't get a member of the press on a story explaining how Stephone Anthony went from being nearly DROTY to incapable of playing football...

Again, have always appreciated some of your optimism, loyalty is rare these days and is to be cherished; but this is a dumpster fire of a draft haul...

Only two picks came in where they should have - S Natrell Jamerson and C/G Will Clapp; taking two maybe three players, ikely UDFAs, with draft picks...

Again, love the blind loyalty, but this draft needs to be questioned because we should be putting the final pieces in place for a run this year...

For all we know we may have. Time will tell.

And how do you know those picks could have been had as UDFA's? It is very possible, and I would venture to say very probable, that other teams had their eyes on thos players, as well.

Appreciate of some y'all's optimism, really I do and I don't engage to make light of it - have too much respect for y'all - my post history will show that...

But this "no second guessing" and "in Loomis we trust" is naive to not question the FO moves; only local media defends the haul with 'wait and see" as a defense...

Let's not forget Payton and Loomis had one great draft, one, in their tenure; and no, don't give them credit for 2006 where all 32 teams passed on Colston and Strief...

And I'd remind Loomis was GM when we traded two first round picks passing on eight All-Pro players for Johnathan Sullivan; also on Stanley Jean Baptiste...

And we still can't get a member of the press on a story explaining how Stephone Anthony went from being nearly DROTY to incapable of playing football...

Again, have always appreciated some of your optimism, loyalty is rare these days and is to be cherished; but this is a dumpster fire of a draft haul...

Only two picks came in where they should have - S Natrell Jamerson and C/G Will Clapp; taking two maybe three players, ikely UDFAs, with draft picks...

Again, love the blind loyalty, but this draft needs to be questioned because we should be putting the final pieces in place for a run this year...

My angle is and has always been that the draft is a crapshoot. Of ALL the players drafted in a given year, how many are still in the league 3 years later?

Did the Saints take some risks this year? You bet. They were educated risks to be sure, and the guys taking the risks are FAR more educated about the risks they're taking than you or I - although you are clearly more up to speed about the draft than me, the difference between you and the Saints FO is still significant.

I don't think it was "Ditka" draft as some have said, nor do I believe it was a dumpster fire. Far from it, and I think people are undervaluing our ability to coach this talent up, which is surprising considering how we all revere the quality of coaching on or team. It's not about blind faith. I don't have that. Like I said, I think it's a crapshoot.

We took some risks. We didn't "play it safe". Safe isn't always the best play.

...Again, love the blind loyalty, but this draft needs to be questioned because we should be putting the final pieces in place for a run this year...

Of course the draft needs to be questioned but to try to judge it before the picks have even put on pads is silly. The Saints front office must think these players have a good chance of being coached up to their potential. As of now, how can anyone say they're wrong? I recognize that it's offseason and there's not much to do other than debate potential but it's purely wasted time until the players take the field and we see how they shake out.

I suspect the coaches and scouts have spent more time analyzing each of these players and how they would fit into the Saints plans than any so called "draft expert" and far more than any of us here on the board. That's not blind loyalty, that's just common sense.

Some examples of last years "draft experts" wisdom...

“A big question mark here was the value given up to draft Kamara. Even if you question any possibilities beyond 2017 for Mark Ingram or Adrian Peterson, trading a second-rounder to move up and take my No. 88 overall player is iffy." - Mel Kiper, ESPN

Ryan Ramczyk "I don't get this pick. Where does he play..." C+ , Pete Prisco, CBSNFL

This one makes no sense at all. If the Saints already have an elite multipurpose back in Mark Ingram Jr. and signed an aging up-the-middle bruiser in Adrian Peterson, then why on Earth did the Saints trade up to draft Tennessee Volunteers running back Alvin Kamara near the top of the third round? Kamara is a good player, but can’t handle a bell-cow workload. New Orleans is a terrible landing spot for him." - John Buhler, NFL Fansided

""We saw a little bit of a safety run in the middle of the second round. New Orleans was right in the mix of that nonsense and overdraft Utah Utes safety Marcus Williams." - John Buhler NFL Fansided

"Ryan Ramczyk C+" Larry Holder, NOLA Times Picayune

I don't mean to say the front office shouldn't be held accountable. Two first rounders for one player needs to be held to a very high standard. In my opinion, to justify the picks, Davenport needs to beat out Okafor and start game 1. And by the end of the season he needs to be, at least, a serious probowl contender. The point I'm trying to make is that until they take the field, judging the draft at this point, positive or negative, is waste of time.