I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.

Danno · 05-08-2018, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Damn, I had to say something. Lol

I'm curious what it is. Is it another starcaps debacle or something serious like real PED's?

Its out of character for Mark to knowingly take PED's or smoke dope.

AsylumGuido · 05-08-2018, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I'm curious what it is. Is it another starcaps debacle or something serious like real PED's?

Its out of character for Mark to knowingly take PED's or smoke dope.

Most of us probably take something on the banned PED list from time to time. I know I do for sure.

SmashMouth · 05-08-2018, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I'm curious what it is. Is it another starcaps debacle or something serious like real PED's?

Its out of character for Mark to knowingly take PED's or smoke dope.

Maybe.... maybe not. Who really knows?

WillSaints81 · 05-08-2018, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

I can’t believe there’s still people who give Ingram a hard time. He’s about to become the Saints all-time leading rusher and he’s an absolute role model on and off the field.

We need Ingram for those unpredictable games. Those teams who can't stop the run and are not a great team. The division rivals who we play twice a year we need him for those. But SP needs to open his eyes when it comes to big time matchups. Our offense is predictable pre-adjustment for the most part. It wasn't against Carolina, as we used the one obvious weapon against them to open that game from the get go.....Ginn Jr. But generally, we are nothing surprising in the pre-planned plays. Thomas and Kamara have proven that talent sometimes exceeds trickery. There was no excuse not to use either on that big third down.

Papa Voodoo · 05-08-2018, 01:16 PM

WS81, are you referring to the end of the season when Kamara went out? I think the offense as a whole had to work through that dip. No TE and Kamara out left us with one solid RB and 1 solid WR. Not may options.

WillSaints81 · 05-08-2018, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

WS81, are you referring to the end of the season when Kamara went out? I think the offense as a whole had to work through that dip. No TE and Kamara out left us with one solid RB and 1 solid WR. Not may options.

No, we only played three playoff teams last year not including division teams. We relied on Ingram to get a crucial first down and we settled for a FG against Minnesota. We fell behind against the rams in a winnable game because of the game plan to stop Ingram. The rams weren't a great run defense last year, so that plan was genius. But SP was so slow to react to the rams throwing a wrinkle into his pre-planned playcalling. Everyone can say we had no Lattimore, but we had Lattimore when an inferior offense to the rams put up 30 on us in the playoffs. Now some have said that had Kamara gotten more touches they would have caught on and stopped him. Kamara's big runs was what got us in the redzone or endzone to get our only TDs in that game. Without Kamara in that game, we get blown out.

Utah_Saint · 05-08-2018, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

No, we only played three playoff teams last year not including division teams.

No, we played 4 playoff teams last year, not including division teams. Ingram averaged over 5 yards per carry in those 4 games.

" We relied on Ingram to get a crucial first down and we settled for a FG against Minnesota."

Not sure what you're talking about, we only kicked one field goal against the Vikes in the playoff game and Ingram didn't get a carry on that whole series.

"We fell behind against the rams in a winnable game because of the game plan to stop Ingram. The rams weren't a great run defense last year, so that plan was genius. But SP was so slow to react to the rams throwing a wrinkle into his pre-planned playcalling. Everyone can say we had no Lattimore, but we had Lattimore when an inferior offense to the rams put up 30 on us in the playoffs. Now some have said that had Kamara gotten more touches they would have caught on and stopped him. Kamara's big runs was what got us in the redzone or endzone to get our only TDs in that game. Without Kamara in that game, we get blown out."

The Saints gained 123 rushing yards against the Rams. The running game was working.

On the other hand Goff went 28 of 43 for 354 yards and 2 touchdowns. Not having Lattimore and Crawley in that game definitely had a huge impact. Most people that saw the game felt that was the difference.

It seems like you're going out of your way, even making things up, to belittle Ingram when the truth of the matter is, he was excellent last season.

WillSaints81 · 05-09-2018, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

No, we played 4 playoff teams last year, not including division teams. Ingram averaged over 5 yards per carry in those 4 games.

" We relied on Ingram to get a crucial first down and we settled for a FG against Minnesota."

Not sure what you're talking about, we only kicked one field goal against the Vikes in the playoff game and Ingram didn't get a carry on that whole series.

"We fell behind against the rams in a winnable game because of the game plan to stop Ingram. The rams weren't a great run defense last year, so that plan was genius. But SP was so slow to react to the rams throwing a wrinkle into his pre-planned playcalling. Everyone can say we had no Lattimore, but we had Lattimore when an inferior offense to the rams put up 30 on us in the playoffs. Now some have said that had Kamara gotten more touches they would have caught on and stopped him. Kamara's big runs was what got us in the redzone or endzone to get our only TDs in that game. Without Kamara in that game, we get blown out."

The Saints gained 123 rushing yards against the Rams. The running game was working.

On the other hand Goff went 28 of 43 for 354 yards and 2 touchdowns. Not having Lattimore and Crawley in that game definitely had a huge impact. Most people that saw the game felt that was the difference.

It seems like you're going out of your way, even making things up, to belittle Ingram when the truth of the matter is, he was excellent last season.

Um, Ingram had a 2.8 ypc average against the rams. Here you go. Those 121 rushing yards were attributed mainly to KAMARA.

WillSaints81 · 05-09-2018, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

No, we played 4 playoff teams last year, not including division teams. Ingram averaged over 5 yards per carry in those 4 games.

" We relied on Ingram to get a crucial first down and we settled for a FG against Minnesota."

Not sure what you're talking about, we only kicked one field goal against the Vikes in the playoff game and Ingram didn't get a carry on that whole series.

"We fell behind against the rams in a winnable game because of the game plan to stop Ingram. The rams weren't a great run defense last year, so that plan was genius. But SP was so slow to react to the rams throwing a wrinkle into his pre-planned playcalling. Everyone can say we had no Lattimore, but we had Lattimore when an inferior offense to the rams put up 30 on us in the playoffs. Now some have said that had Kamara gotten more touches they would have caught on and stopped him. Kamara's big runs was what got us in the redzone or endzone to get our only TDs in that game. Without Kamara in that game, we get blown out."

The Saints gained 123 rushing yards against the Rams. The running game was working.

On the other hand Goff went 28 of 43 for 354 yards and 2 touchdowns. Not having Lattimore and Crawley in that game definitely had a huge impact. Most people that saw the game felt that was the difference.

It seems like you're going out of your way, even making things up, to belittle Ingram when the truth of the matter is, he was excellent last season.

Yes we played the defeat card before the game was even played. Another saints poster on a variety sports forum even said we were not built for shootouts and he was right. Maybe Lattimore's injury was the issue, but still, we held this team to 26 points and struggled outside of Kamara and Ginn Jr in this game. Kamara had a 17.4(!) ypc average in this game and carried for 89 yards and caught 6 catches for over 100 yards. Ginn was 7 of 11 for 74 yards and no TDs despite a 10.1 ypr average.

And I just looked at the play by play it was Kamara that didn't get the first. Yet he was used up the middle against a defense like that. That is not Kamara's strength. Still, I have seen Ingram's totals in this game. Ingram had one 9 yard carry and everything else 5 or less. After the first two drives, he was limited to 2 yards all game. Those type of runs will hurt the 3rd down offense. So yes that is SP there using Kamara up the middle that cost us from running down the clock. Also, Rhodes is locked in on Thomas I see also on this drive, Brees is looking at him three straight times after Ginn Jr caught a 11 yard pass. The fourth down was converted of all people by Snead, which signifies the luck of our playcalling. But we came back in that game purely with the use of Thomas and Kamara, and that eventually got Ginn Jr open looks. That last drive the vikings tightened down but we needed one yard, just one yard. Running up the middle was our best option?

spkb25 · 05-08-2018, 06:53 PM

Mark's doing drugs and we cut Fleecer, that's two things right there

05-08-2018, 03:26 PM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team. Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Damn, I had to say something. Lol I'm curious what it is. Is it another starcaps debacle or something serious like real PED's? Its out of character for Mark to knowingly take PED's or smoke dope. K Major likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team. Originally Posted by Danno I'm curious what it is. Is it another starcaps debacle or something serious like real PED's? Its out of character for Mark to knowingly take PED's or smoke dope. Most of us probably take something on the banned PED list from time to time. I know I do for sure.

05-08-2018, 07:18 PM	#3
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,782 Blog Entries: 29	Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team. Originally Posted by Danno I'm curious what it is. Is it another starcaps debacle or something serious like real PED's? Its out of character for Mark to knowingly take PED's or smoke dope. Maybe.... maybe not. Who really knows?

05-08-2018, 07:17 PM	#4
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,283	Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team. Originally Posted by ChrisXVI I can’t believe there’s still people who give Ingram a hard time. He’s about to become the Saints all-time leading rusher and he’s an absolute role model on and off the field. We need Ingram for those unpredictable games. Those teams who can't stop the run and are not a great team. The division rivals who we play twice a year we need him for those. But SP needs to open his eyes when it comes to big time matchups. Our offense is predictable pre-adjustment for the most part. It wasn't against Carolina, as we used the one obvious weapon against them to open that game from the get go.....Ginn Jr. But generally, we are nothing surprising in the pre-planned plays. Thomas and Kamara have proven that talent sometimes exceeds trickery. There was no excuse not to use either on that big third down.

05-08-2018, 01:16 PM	#5
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team. WS81, are you referring to the end of the season when Kamara went out? I think the offense as a whole had to work through that dip. No TE and Kamara out left us with one solid RB and 1 solid WR. Not may options.

05-08-2018, 06:49 PM	#6
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,283	Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team. Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo WS81, are you referring to the end of the season when Kamara went out? I think the offense as a whole had to work through that dip. No TE and Kamara out left us with one solid RB and 1 solid WR. Not may options. No, we only played three playoff teams last year not including division teams. We relied on Ingram to get a crucial first down and we settled for a FG against Minnesota. We fell behind against the rams in a winnable game because of the game plan to stop Ingram. The rams weren't a great run defense last year, so that plan was genius. But SP was so slow to react to the rams throwing a wrinkle into his pre-planned playcalling. Everyone can say we had no Lattimore, but we had Lattimore when an inferior offense to the rams put up 30 on us in the playoffs. Now some have said that had Kamara gotten more touches they would have caught on and stopped him. Kamara's big runs was what got us in the redzone or endzone to get our only TDs in that game. Without Kamara in that game, we get blown out.

05-08-2018, 09:03 PM	#7
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team. Originally Posted by WillSaints81 No, we only played three playoff teams last year not including division teams. No, we played 4 playoff teams last year, not including division teams. Ingram averaged over 5 yards per carry in those 4 games. " We relied on Ingram to get a crucial first down and we settled for a FG against Minnesota." Not sure what you're talking about, we only kicked one field goal against the Vikes in the playoff game and Ingram didn't get a carry on that whole series. "We fell behind against the rams in a winnable game because of the game plan to stop Ingram. The rams weren't a great run defense last year, so that plan was genius. But SP was so slow to react to the rams throwing a wrinkle into his pre-planned playcalling. Everyone can say we had no Lattimore, but we had Lattimore when an inferior offense to the rams put up 30 on us in the playoffs. Now some have said that had Kamara gotten more touches they would have caught on and stopped him. Kamara's big runs was what got us in the redzone or endzone to get our only TDs in that game. Without Kamara in that game, we get blown out." The Saints gained 123 rushing yards against the Rams. The running game was working. On the other hand Goff went 28 of 43 for 354 yards and 2 touchdowns. Not having Lattimore and Crawley in that game definitely had a huge impact. Most people that saw the game felt that was the difference. It seems like you're going out of your way, even making things up, to belittle Ingram when the truth of the matter is, he was excellent last season.

05-09-2018, 09:32 AM	#8
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,283	Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team. Originally Posted by Utah_Saint No, we played 4 playoff teams last year, not including division teams. Ingram averaged over 5 yards per carry in those 4 games. " We relied on Ingram to get a crucial first down and we settled for a FG against Minnesota." Not sure what you're talking about, we only kicked one field goal against the Vikes in the playoff game and Ingram didn't get a carry on that whole series. "We fell behind against the rams in a winnable game because of the game plan to stop Ingram. The rams weren't a great run defense last year, so that plan was genius. But SP was so slow to react to the rams throwing a wrinkle into his pre-planned playcalling. Everyone can say we had no Lattimore, but we had Lattimore when an inferior offense to the rams put up 30 on us in the playoffs. Now some have said that had Kamara gotten more touches they would have caught on and stopped him. Kamara's big runs was what got us in the redzone or endzone to get our only TDs in that game. Without Kamara in that game, we get blown out." The Saints gained 123 rushing yards against the Rams. The running game was working. On the other hand Goff went 28 of 43 for 354 yards and 2 touchdowns. Not having Lattimore and Crawley in that game definitely had a huge impact. Most people that saw the game felt that was the difference. It seems like you're going out of your way, even making things up, to belittle Ingram when the truth of the matter is, he was excellent last season. Um, Ingram had a 2.8 ypc average against the rams. Here you go. Those 121 rushing yards were attributed mainly to KAMARA.

05-09-2018, 10:06 AM	#9
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,283	Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team. Originally Posted by Utah_Saint No, we played 4 playoff teams last year, not including division teams. Ingram averaged over 5 yards per carry in those 4 games. " We relied on Ingram to get a crucial first down and we settled for a FG against Minnesota." Not sure what you're talking about, we only kicked one field goal against the Vikes in the playoff game and Ingram didn't get a carry on that whole series. "We fell behind against the rams in a winnable game because of the game plan to stop Ingram. The rams weren't a great run defense last year, so that plan was genius. But SP was so slow to react to the rams throwing a wrinkle into his pre-planned playcalling. Everyone can say we had no Lattimore, but we had Lattimore when an inferior offense to the rams put up 30 on us in the playoffs. Now some have said that had Kamara gotten more touches they would have caught on and stopped him. Kamara's big runs was what got us in the redzone or endzone to get our only TDs in that game. Without Kamara in that game, we get blown out." The Saints gained 123 rushing yards against the Rams. The running game was working. On the other hand Goff went 28 of 43 for 354 yards and 2 touchdowns. Not having Lattimore and Crawley in that game definitely had a huge impact. Most people that saw the game felt that was the difference. It seems like you're going out of your way, even making things up, to belittle Ingram when the truth of the matter is, he was excellent last season. Yes we played the defeat card before the game was even played. Another saints poster on a variety sports forum even said we were not built for shootouts and he was right. Maybe Lattimore's injury was the issue, but still, we held this team to 26 points and struggled outside of Kamara and Ginn Jr in this game. Kamara had a 17.4(!) ypc average in this game and carried for 89 yards and caught 6 catches for over 100 yards. Ginn was 7 of 11 for 74 yards and no TDs despite a 10.1 ypr average. And I just looked at the play by play it was Kamara that didn't get the first. Yet he was used up the middle against a defense like that. That is not Kamara's strength. Still, I have seen Ingram's totals in this game. Ingram had one 9 yard carry and everything else 5 or less. After the first two drives, he was limited to 2 yards all game. Those type of runs will hurt the 3rd down offense. So yes that is SP there using Kamara up the middle that cost us from running down the clock. Also, Rhodes is locked in on Thomas I see also on this drive, Brees is looking at him three straight times after Ginn Jr caught a 11 yard pass. The fourth down was converted of all people by Snead, which signifies the luck of our playcalling. But we came back in that game purely with the use of Thomas and Kamara, and that eventually got Ginn Jr open looks. That last drive the vikings tightened down but we needed one yard, just one yard. Running up the middle was our best option? SmashMouth likes this.

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