Fleener Dead Cap

ScottF · 05-01-2018, 07:55 AM

Thinking that if Fleener was not part of the plan we would have looked at a TE in Round 3 or 4 instead of taking a receiver.

as mentioned above, he is a serviceable player, just not one that is living up to his contract

AsylumGuido · 05-01-2018, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Thinking that if Fleener was not part of the plan we would have looked at a TE in Round 3 or 4 instead of taking a receiver.

as mentioned above, he is a serviceable player, just not one that is living up to his contract

This is why the position was most likely considered a long tern need and not a short term need. Edge rusher and offensive line depth were more immediate needs. Upgrades to the special teams were also needed as we lost some critical players in those areas over the past two seasons. Anything after that had to be looked at as best player available. The stars just never aligned for choosing a TE, it appears, and was also implied by Payton himself post draft.

K Major · 05-01-2018, 09:02 AM

I hope the front office keeps Fleener this season. We need the best 53 on the roster at all times. Especially considering he's been paid over half of his salary.

Double (2X's) if we can't get the same caliber for what it will cost in DEAD MONEY. I wouldn't cut CF this season.

The 5 concussions he had last season is a BIG concern for me though.

Beastmode · 05-01-2018, 09:03 AM

So hard to get a good TE. From last year, maybe 3-4 were great then the rest...meh. Fleener was a good move at the time. He's still decent but at 30, maybe he bounces back some but not much IMO.

Papa Voodoo · 05-01-2018, 12:14 PM

Watson used to have a lot of concussion issues and he's still playing. Amendola too.

K Major · 05-01-2018, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

Watson used to have a lot of concussion issues and he's still playing. Amendola too.

Ben has had a total of 5 concussions since 2005.

Fleener had 5 last season (2017). Huge difference.

Benjamin Watson injury history and analysis

ChrisXVI · 05-01-2018, 01:08 PM

I think we’ll just completely rebuild the TE position next year. Hill, Hoomanawanui and Watson will all be free agents and cutting Fleener will be much more palatable financially.

In the meantime, Deon Yelder will probably get a year of development on the practice squad and maybe be part of the solution next year.

Rugby Saint II · 05-01-2018, 01:08 PM

I just don't have any faith in Fleener. He has a slow response time and looked outright lazy at training camp. He did not take the next step like we had hoped when we brought him in on a big contract that we now to get out of. Unfortunately, we will probably keep him and look at cutting our losses next year.

Maybe Dan Campbell should let Curtis Johnson whack Fleener with his whoopin' stick for awhile so he can toughen up some......just don't hit him in the head.

ScottF · 05-01-2018, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

I think we’ll just completely rebuild the TE position next year. Hill, Hoomanawanui and Watson will all be free agents and cutting Fleener will be much more palatable financially.

In the meantime, Deon Yelder will probably get a year of development on the practice squad and maybe be part of the solution next year.

I won't miss Hill
$2.4m per year is a lot for 15 catches

MatthewT · 05-07-2018, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

Fleener had a nice game against Washington, then that awful concussion ended his season the following week against the Rams. The bottom line is Fleener is very capable, I see the Saints holding on to him for now.

Oh well, I missed this one by a mile... lol

05-01-2018, 07:55 AM	#11
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Fleener Dead Cap Thinking that if Fleener was not part of the plan we would have looked at a TE in Round 3 or 4 instead of taking a receiver. as mentioned above, he is a serviceable player, just not one that is living up to his contract K Major likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Fleener Dead Cap Originally Posted by ScottF Thinking that if Fleener was not part of the plan we would have looked at a TE in Round 3 or 4 instead of taking a receiver. as mentioned above, he is a serviceable player, just not one that is living up to his contract This is why the position was most likely considered a long tern need and not a short term need. Edge rusher and offensive line depth were more immediate needs. Upgrades to the special teams were also needed as we lost some critical players in those areas over the past two seasons. Anything after that had to be looked at as best player available. The stars just never aligned for choosing a TE, it appears, and was also implied by Payton himself post draft. jeanpierre likes this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Fleener Dead Cap I hope the front office keeps Fleener this season. We need the best 53 on the roster at all times. Especially considering he's been paid over half of his salary. Double (2X's) if we can't get the same caliber for what it will cost in DEAD MONEY. I wouldn't cut CF this season. The 5 concussions he had last season is a BIG concern for me though. jeanpierre likes this.

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Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Fleener Dead Cap So hard to get a good TE. From last year, maybe 3-4 were great then the rest...meh. Fleener was a good move at the time. He's still decent but at 30, maybe he bounces back some but not much IMO.
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05-01-2018, 12:21 PM	#16
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Fleener Dead Cap Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo Watson used to have a lot of concussion issues and he's still playing. Amendola too. Ben has had a total of 5 concussions since 2005. Fleener had 5 last season (2017). Huge difference. Benjamin Watson injury history and analysis

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Fleener Dead Cap I think we’ll just completely rebuild the TE position next year. Hill, Hoomanawanui and Watson will all be free agents and cutting Fleener will be much more palatable financially. In the meantime, Deon Yelder will probably get a year of development on the practice squad and maybe be part of the solution next year.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Fleener Dead Cap I just don't have any faith in Fleener. He has a slow response time and looked outright lazy at training camp. He did not take the next step like we had hoped when we brought him in on a big contract that we now to get out of. Unfortunately, we will probably keep him and look at cutting our losses next year. Maybe Dan Campbell should let Curtis Johnson whack Fleener with his whoopin' stick for awhile so he can toughen up some......just don't hit him in the head.

05-01-2018, 01:28 PM	#19
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Fleener Dead Cap Originally Posted by ChrisXVI I think we’ll just completely rebuild the TE position next year. Hill, Hoomanawanui and Watson will all be free agents and cutting Fleener will be much more palatable financially. In the meantime, Deon Yelder will probably get a year of development on the practice squad and maybe be part of the solution next year. I won't miss Hill $2.4m per year is a lot for 15 catches

05-07-2018, 02:49 PM	#20
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Fleener Dead Cap Originally Posted by MatthewT Fleener had a nice game against Washington, then that awful concussion ended his season the following week against the Rams. The bottom line is Fleener is very capable, I see the Saints holding on to him for now. Oh well, I missed this one by a mile... lol

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