Riddle me this:?

saintswhodi · 04-27-2005, 08:08 PM

Wow, how many people are on their last legs with this team:

Brooks
Sullivan
Haz
Possibly Stallworth
Venturi
Loomis
Gandy
Allen
Carney

Anyone else on the hot seat? Holy crap.

BlackandBlue · 04-27-2005, 08:10 PM

Keep it civil, Gumbo. Smiley faces no longer buy you a free pass.
And that goes for everyone. Keep it civil.

GumboBC · 04-27-2005, 08:11 PM

Wow, how many people are on their last legs with this team:

Brooks
Sullivan
Haz
Possibly Stallworth
Venturi
Loomis
Gandy
Allen
Carney

Anyone else on the hot seat? Holy crap.

I don\'t know about ANY of those guys. But I do know what I heard Haslett and Loomis say about Sullivan. It do or die time as far as Sully being with the Saints.

I know it\'s the offseason and everything and you don\'t believe them in the offseason. But they sounded pretty serious to me ...

WhoDat · 04-27-2005, 08:11 PM

But I see no reason to have such a forgiving attitude with McPhearson and not be willing to give Sullivan another chance.

I just gave you 4. Others in this thread have given you more. You can choose to ignore them if you\'d like. It isn\'t surprising coming from a guy who sees no reason to think that Haslett doesn\'t deserve essentially an infinite number of chances to prove that he can make this team better than 8-8. You\'re right Billy - the laws of probability ensure that at some point between now and infinity, the Saints will have another winning season if Haslett stays....

Here is the definitive question Billy:

Has Jonathan Sullivan, at any level what so ever, played any football in the last two years that you could call good? Moreover has he done anything above and beyond his talk to show that he is making the progress he promised?

Now answer those same questions for McPherson. If you can\'t see the glaring difference there, you never will.

GumboBC · 04-27-2005, 08:12 PM

Keep it civil, Gumbo. Smiley faces no longer buy you a free pass.
And that goes for everyone. Keep it civil.

What did I say? Am I missing something?

GumboBC · 04-27-2005, 08:16 PM

But I see no reason to have such a forgiving attitude with McPhearson and not be willing to give Sullivan another chance.

I just gave you 4. Others in this thread have given you more. You can choose to ignore them if you\'d like. It isn\'t surprising coming from a guy who sees no reason to think that Haslett doesn\'t deserve essentially an infinite number of chances to prove that he can make this team better than 8-8. You\'re right Billy - the laws of probability ensure that at some point between now and infinity, the Saints will have another winning season if Haslett stays....

Here is the definitive question Billy:

Has Jonathan Sullivan, at any level what so ever, played any football in the last two years that you could call good? Moreover has he done anything above and beyond his talk to show that he is making the progress he promised?

Now answer those same questions for McPherson. If you can\'t see the glaring difference there, you never will.

CLEARLY you missed my point.

I\'m not saying fans shouldn\'t be upset more with Sully than McPhearson.

What I\'m saying is I don\'t see why fans aren\'t willing to give Sullivan ONE more chance?!

Sully doesn\'t get one more chance but McPhearson, who is a proven criminal, gets another chance? Why so hard on Sullivan? Why NOT one more chance for Sullivan?

ScottyRo · 04-27-2005, 08:17 PM

But if you\'re mad for the wrong reasons then maybe it\'s clouding your judgement a little bit?

And just who gets to decide right or wrong reasons?

Ultimately, what happens to Jonathan Sullivan has no effect on my life

I hardly believe that he will have zero impact on your life. Especially since you claim to be a Saints fan.

I don\'t think anyone has said they\'re not pulling for him. I want him to be the best DT in the league. That\'d suit me just fine. If he could just be a worthy starter I\'d be happy.

I think it\'s easy enough for most of us to say that, even had we spent only one 1st round pick on him, we\'d still be disappointed in his performance.

GumboBC · 04-27-2005, 08:22 PM

But if you\'re mad for the wrong reasons then maybe it\'s clouding your judgement a little bit?

And just who gets to decide right or wrong reasons?

Ultimately, what happens to Jonathan Sullivan has no effect on my life

I hardly believe that he will have zero impact on your life. Especially since you claim to be a Saints fan.

I don\'t think anyone has said they\'re not pulling for him. I want him to be the best DT in the league. That\'d suit me just fine. If he could just be a worthy starter I\'d be happy.

I think it\'s easy enough for most of us to say that, even had we spent only one 1st round pick on him, we\'d still be disappointed in his performance.

Scotty --

This is probably going to be my last post on this thread. Things are getting kind of ridiculous.

1. I didn\'t say I got to decide what the right reasons were. I simple said that it\'s possible some people are be too hard on Sullivan for the wrong reasons. Or that\'s what I meant. Is that impossible?

2. If the Saints move out of New Orleans and never play another game, it really won\'t affect my life. Except for what team I watch on Sundays.

Here\'s the thing:

Why NOT one more chance for Sulliavan?

[Edited on 28/4/2005 by GumboBC]

WhoDat · 04-27-2005, 08:23 PM

What I\'m saying is I don\'t see why fans aren\'t willing to give Sullivan ONE more chance?!

He\'s on the team isn\'t he?? He\'s going to get his shot this preseason and probably regular season too, right?

Did anyone suggest that he get cut outright? Who said that?

GumboBC · 04-27-2005, 08:26 PM

What I\'m saying is I don\'t see why fans aren\'t willing to give Sullivan ONE more chance?!

He\'s on the team isn\'t he?? He\'s going to get his shot this preseason and probably regular season too, right?

Did anyone suggest that he get cut outright? Who said that?

Who has suggested Sully to get cut outright? Many people right here on this board. You haven\'t heard?

I don\'t think I\'ll \"out\" them right now, though. Hopefully they\'ll speak up and tell you who they are.

Do you agree with cutting Sullivan outright?

04-27-2005, 08:08 PM	#41
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Riddle me this:? Wow, how many people are on their last legs with this team: Brooks Sullivan Haz Possibly Stallworth Venturi Loomis Gandy Allen Carney Anyone else on the hot seat? Holy crap.

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BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Riddle me this:? Keep it civil, Gumbo. Smiley faces no longer buy you a free pass. And that goes for everyone. Keep it civil.

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GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Riddle me this:? Wow, how many people are on their last legs with this team: Brooks Sullivan Haz Possibly Stallworth Venturi Loomis Gandy Allen Carney Anyone else on the hot seat? Holy crap. I don\'t know about ANY of those guys. But I do know what I heard Haslett and Loomis say about Sullivan. It do or die time as far as Sully being with the Saints. I know it\'s the offseason and everything and you don\'t believe them in the offseason. But they sounded pretty serious to me ...
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04-27-2005, 08:11 PM	#44
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Riddle me this:? But I see no reason to have such a forgiving attitude with McPhearson and not be willing to give Sullivan another chance. I just gave you 4. Others in this thread have given you more. You can choose to ignore them if you\'d like. It isn\'t surprising coming from a guy who sees no reason to think that Haslett doesn\'t deserve essentially an infinite number of chances to prove that he can make this team better than 8-8. You\'re right Billy - the laws of probability ensure that at some point between now and infinity, the Saints will have another winning season if Haslett stays.... Here is the definitive question Billy: Has Jonathan Sullivan, at any level what so ever, played any football in the last two years that you could call good? Moreover has he done anything above and beyond his talk to show that he is making the progress he promised? Now answer those same questions for McPherson. If you can\'t see the glaring difference there, you never will.
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04-27-2005, 08:16 PM	#46
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Riddle me this:? But I see no reason to have such a forgiving attitude with McPhearson and not be willing to give Sullivan another chance. I just gave you 4. Others in this thread have given you more. You can choose to ignore them if you\'d like. It isn\'t surprising coming from a guy who sees no reason to think that Haslett doesn\'t deserve essentially an infinite number of chances to prove that he can make this team better than 8-8. You\'re right Billy - the laws of probability ensure that at some point between now and infinity, the Saints will have another winning season if Haslett stays.... Here is the definitive question Billy: Has Jonathan Sullivan, at any level what so ever, played any football in the last two years that you could call good? Moreover has he done anything above and beyond his talk to show that he is making the progress he promised? Now answer those same questions for McPherson. If you can\'t see the glaring difference there, you never will. CLEARLY you missed my point. I\'m not saying fans shouldn\'t be upset more with Sully than McPhearson. What I\'m saying is I don\'t see why fans aren\'t willing to give Sullivan ONE more chance?! Sully doesn\'t get one more chance but McPhearson, who is a proven criminal, gets another chance? Why so hard on Sullivan? Why NOT one more chance for Sullivan?
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04-27-2005, 08:17 PM	#47
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Riddle me this:? But if you\'re mad for the wrong reasons then maybe it\'s clouding your judgement a little bit? And just who gets to decide right or wrong reasons? Ultimately, what happens to Jonathan Sullivan has no effect on my life I hardly believe that he will have zero impact on your life. Especially since you claim to be a Saints fan. I don\'t think anyone has said they\'re not pulling for him. I want him to be the best DT in the league. That\'d suit me just fine. If he could just be a worthy starter I\'d be happy. I think it\'s easy enough for most of us to say that, even had we spent only one 1st round pick on him, we\'d still be disappointed in his performance.

04-27-2005, 08:22 PM	#48
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Riddle me this:? But if you\'re mad for the wrong reasons then maybe it\'s clouding your judgement a little bit? And just who gets to decide right or wrong reasons? Ultimately, what happens to Jonathan Sullivan has no effect on my life I hardly believe that he will have zero impact on your life. Especially since you claim to be a Saints fan. I don\'t think anyone has said they\'re not pulling for him. I want him to be the best DT in the league. That\'d suit me just fine. If he could just be a worthy starter I\'d be happy. I think it\'s easy enough for most of us to say that, even had we spent only one 1st round pick on him, we\'d still be disappointed in his performance. Scotty -- This is probably going to be my last post on this thread. Things are getting kind of ridiculous. 1. I didn\'t say I got to decide what the right reasons were. I simple said that it\'s possible some people are be too hard on Sullivan for the wrong reasons. Or that\'s what I meant. Is that impossible? 2. If the Saints move out of New Orleans and never play another game, it really won\'t affect my life. Except for what team I watch on Sundays. Here\'s the thing: Why NOT one more chance for Sulliavan? [Edited on 28/4/2005 by GumboBC]
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04-27-2005, 08:23 PM	#49
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Riddle me this:? What I\'m saying is I don\'t see why fans aren\'t willing to give Sullivan ONE more chance?! He\'s on the team isn\'t he?? He\'s going to get his shot this preseason and probably regular season too, right? Did anyone suggest that he get cut outright? Who said that?
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04-27-2005, 08:26 PM	#50
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Riddle me this:? What I\'m saying is I don\'t see why fans aren\'t willing to give Sullivan ONE more chance?! He\'s on the team isn\'t he?? He\'s going to get his shot this preseason and probably regular season too, right? Did anyone suggest that he get cut outright? Who said that? Who has suggested Sully to get cut outright? Many people right here on this board. You haven\'t heard? I don\'t think I\'ll \"out\" them right now, though. Hopefully they\'ll speak up and tell you who they are. Do you agree with cutting Sullivan outright?
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