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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; whodi -- I COULD ask what kind of message is being sent when you draft a convicted thief? I COULD say that by drafting a convicted thief that it sends a message to the team that they\'ll be given another ...
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04-28-2005, 05:32 PM | #11 |
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Kool, you seem to be of the opinion the only message that can be sent by cutting Sully is don\'t be lazy, and thus would require an overwhelming number of lazy players to be sent. Not at all. You can send the message to players who seem to have gotten complacent that they need to improve too. That positions on this team are no longer an entitlement, but they are earned. It doesn\'t just effect lazy players, it effects the whole atmosphere of a team of underachievers. If I am there, and they cut a guy they gave up two first round draft picks for just two years ago, I am no longer under the impression that I am sitting in the catbird seat and I actually need to get ny but in gear. If not, I could be next. And it needs to be like that IMO. |
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04-28-2005, 05:37 PM | #12 |
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Whodi,
1. What do you think of my Sunk Cost idea? 2.
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04-28-2005, 05:37 PM | #13 |
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I think the main message it\'ll send is we don\'t play favorites anymore. We don\'t care how much it costs to cut you, if its the best thing to do for this team, WE WILL DO IT!
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04-28-2005, 05:40 PM | #14 |
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Here\'s what the article says:
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04-28-2005, 05:41 PM | #15 |
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Exactly Danno. That is what I am trying to say.
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04-28-2005, 05:47 PM | #16 |
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JKool, IMHO, is right. You don\'t have to cut players to send any message. Although, I admit, cutting a player could send a message. I just don\'t know if that is required.
Anyway, like I said, I\'m not really worried about cutting someone to send a message. IF Sully gets cut, I hope it\'s for the right reasons(s) IF Sully can help us win some ball games, then he shouldn\'t be cut. If the coaching staff thinks he\'s not going to help, then he should be cut. The only message that\'s going to be sent by cutting Sullivan is that the New Orleans Saints messed up by drafting Sullivan in the first place. Maybe that should be a message to the front-office and the coaching staff!! JKool -- I have a comment on this question:
I don\'t see how this applies to Sullivan. As we don\'t know if it can be recovered or not. Whenever you make a decision, it has to be made according to what you know now and upon reasonable expectations of the future. Hoping that bad results from a past decision will eventually \"turn around\" if you stick with that decision is wishful thinking of the worst sort. It always takes courage to admit you made a bad choice and that you need to change your mind, but it is the only thing to do. It takes even more courage to try to convince others that they made bad choices and need to accept the sunk costs, but that\'s something you sometimes have to do. The only real question is will Sullivan ever pay off. And if you\'ve got the answer to that question ... I\'m all ears? [Edited on 28/4/2005 by GumboBC] |
04-28-2005, 05:52 PM | #17 |
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Actually, Gumbo, a sunk cost is any cost that has been incurred in the past. That makes it irrelevant to rational decision making about what to do in the future. It is not about recoverable or not recoverable - it is explicitly NOT about that kind of thing. See my example above (and any finance text).
Danno and Whodi, fine examples. I have changed my view on the message it might send. I just don\'t think cutting a player is necessary to making such a statement - in fact, it might be a very costly way to do so. |
04-28-2005, 05:54 PM | #18 |
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whodi, when given a 2nd chance and someone shows improvement, that\'s good...............when they fall by the wayside and have shown they can improve, i say another chance is acceptable..........would\'nt you want it it you were trying yet still tempted by whatever? change for the better is good but when trying to start anew it does take time in most cases......however, if they never show improvement or even try to show improvement then it becomes up to them to find themself, not you, to continually show them them the door they refuse to go through..........if they don\'t want to help themself, nothing anyone does will make a difference...at which point, the f.o. should say, we\'ll pray for you, goodluck.
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SUNK cost means that you can NEVER recover. Hence: SUNK. |
04-28-2005, 05:59 PM | #20 |
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[Edited on 28/4/2005 by saintswhodi] |