Mike Detillier comments. Very interesting, indeed!

GumboBC · 04-28-2005, 03:52 PM

I don't put a lot of stock in what Detillier has to say. But that's just me. I wanted to post this so you guys could read it.

Taken from another board:

Heard him on 1300am at lunch:

I didn't catch all of the comments but here's what I got:

Bullocks will play alot in the nickle and dime sets this season to refine his coverage skills and should take over for Bellamy in 06.

Fincher is going to suprise alot of Saints fans this season. He will challange for a starting spot early and will see alot of playing time. Said with his talent and skills if he would have played for an SEC team he my have been a 1st round pick.

It's possible the Verdin could replace Whitehead on the roster as a DE/DT, but looks more like a practice squad player for 05.

Jefferson may turn out to be the run stuffing NT we have lacked in New Orleans. Said he had him ranked much higher that 6th round.

Says the Saints could be on the verge os making a big statement in regards to Jon Sullivan. Says it's very possible that the Saints are going to make a statement to the rest of the players and cut him after June 1st. The catch to this is with Howard's contract still on the books it may be tough. By if Howard is traded it could trigger the end of Sullivan Especially if John Jefferson energes in Mini-Camp & Training Camp.

Sorry I didn't catch anything on McPherson, I know he had to mention it.

saintswhodi · 04-28-2005, 03:58 PM

So if any of this is true, and they are thinking of cutting Sullivan if they can trade Howard, should we still give him one more chance? Sounds like the team might not be, and I would be dancing in the streets. No more free rides Sully. Hope you made enough to live on. No more free buffets while you collect a check.

Danno · 04-28-2005, 04:03 PM

How pitiful would it be if Sully is outplayed by an undersized 6th round rookie?

GumboBC · 04-28-2005, 04:07 PM

Danno --

Well if Jefferson turns out to be the run-stuffing DT that w\'eve been needing, then it could mean the end for Sullivan.

However, I have no faith when it comes to Detillier\'s \"inside\" knowledge of what\'s going on with the Saints. NONE!!

And I\'m not so sure what to think about Detillier\'s \"scouting\" abilities?

It is surprising to me to see Detillier talk so highly of our draft picks. Talk about taking a 180. Detillier is usually very harsh of ANYthing Haslett and co. do.

Danno · 04-28-2005, 04:11 PM

Bullocks will play alot in the nickle and dime sets this season to refine his coverage skills and should take over for Bellamy in 06.

Kinda what we all thought

Fincher is going to suprise alot of Saints fans this season. He will challange for a starting spot early and will see alot of playing time. Said with his talent and skills if he would have played for an SEC team he may have been a 1st round pick.

I hope so. It was stated he had a better combine workout than many LB\'s picked in front of him, including Kevin Burnette UT.

It\'s possible the Verdin could replace Whitehead on the roster as a DE/DT, but looks more like a practice squad player for 05.

Don\'t know much about this kid. Is he that good?

Jefferson may turn out to be the run stuffing NT we have lacked in New Orleans. Said he had him ranked much higher that 6th round.

I\'ll bet Sullivan doesn\'t even have a clue this guy may take his job.

Says the Saints could be on the verge os making a big statement in regards to Jon Sullivan. Says it\'s very possible that the Saints are going to make a statement to the rest of the players and cut him after June 1st. The catch to this is with Howard\'s contract still on the books it may be tough. By if Howard is traded it could trigger the end of Sullivan Especially if John Jefferson energes in Mini-Camp & Training Camp.

C\'mon Jefferson, move on up, to the east side, to a deeee-lux apartment in the sky-y-y.

saintswhodi · 04-28-2005, 04:16 PM

Like I said, if this is true, I do not think cutting Sullivan would be an announcement of Jefferson\'s overwhelming talent. I think if Jefferson shows some ability, the Sullivan pick is a message to the rest of the team that under-performing and being overweight will no longer be tolerated. It is time to shed the underachiever label this team has been saddled with. Wasn\'t there a guy with Sully in the booth when Sully was in ATL? Smith or something? He was cut the next day, yet Sully was still collecting checks. It would be HUGE for them to admit their mistake on Sully, and it would be HUGE to show the rest of the team enough is enough. Talking to you Donte. Talking to you Allen. Talking to AB. Anyone who is not pulling their weight is gone, regardless of the consequences. Kinda like NE. I like it, if it\'s true.

GumboBC · 04-28-2005, 04:20 PM

saintswhodi --

You think cutting Sully is a message that needs to be sent?

What message did it send when Haslett cut Tebucky Jones?

What message did it send when Haslett got rid of Grady Jackson?

I mean, how many messages need to be sent?

I\'m really not interested in any more \"messages\" being sent. All I\'m worried about is getting the best players on the field.

[Edited on 28/4/2005 by GumboBC]

saintswhodi · 04-28-2005, 04:31 PM

Yup, they sent the right message with Tebucky, and they sent the right message with Grady. Let me ask you, what message is being sent when one healthy guy who is inactive but goes and eats at the ATL media buffet is cut, and another isn\'t? What message does it send that no matter how hard someone else works, a fat lazy, underachiever will be in front of them on the depth chart? What message does it send to keep players like that around? When they cut these players, it sends a message that we are no longer wanthing that kind of atmosphere here. Tebucky wasn\'t cutting it, so bye. Grady was eating more players than he was tackling, bye. Same goes for Sully. I don\'t care how many messages it takes as long as at some point they deliver the right one.

I\'m really not interested in any more \"messages\" being sent. All I\'m worried about is getting the best players on the field.

Well, we all know sully is not one of the best players so problem solved.

GumboBC · 04-28-2005, 04:34 PM

whodi --

I COULD ask what kind of message is being sent when you draft a convicted thief?

I COULD say that by drafting a convicted thief that it sends a message to the team that they\'ll be given another chance in New Orleans.

But, I\'m not!!

JKool · 04-28-2005, 05:11 PM

Or you could just ask the questions instead of being cheeky.

Here are my thoughts on Sully from the other thread on the same topic:

I understand that some people want to give Sully a chance - I can see that. We would love for him to come through on the expectations we had of him. Problem is, at some point we got to cut our losses. I understand that some people don\'t want to give him another chance - I can see that.

Here\'s an idea that has had a lot of use in my life: sunk costs. When companies evaluate what they should do next, they don\'t look at what they did before - they look at future benefits and future costs. Thus, if they can make more money making gromets, rather than widgets - they should make gromets EVEN IF THEY JUST BOUGHT FANCY NEW WIDGET MAKING MACHINES.

Thus, what we paid Sully, where he was drafted, how much we hated that pick, etc. IS A SUNK COST AND THUS IRRELEVANT.

What is relevant are these things: what he will get paid, the cap hit we will take if we cut him, our expectations about how well he will play next year. Nothing about what has happened should be considered in this decision - that is a sunk cost. Good business practice, good decision making strategy, I suggest we think about it.

I suppose, to make this topical, we\'d have to know the value of \"sending a message\". My guess is that it would have little to no impact, unless there are a lot of lazy guys on our team. Most other players fight for (and to keep) starting jobs. I\'m not seeing a lot of guys who could care less about whether they play, start, or whatever. If there aren\'t very many such players (and I actually doubt there are), then the message will not get to anyone who needs to hear it.

04-28-2005, 03:52 PM	#1
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Mike Detillier comments. Very interesting, indeed! I don't put a lot of stock in what Detillier has to say. But that's just me. I wanted to post this so you guys could read it. Taken from another board: Heard him on 1300am at lunch: I didn't catch all of the comments but here's what I got: Bullocks will play alot in the nickle and dime sets this season to refine his coverage skills and should take over for Bellamy in 06. Fincher is going to suprise alot of Saints fans this season. He will challange for a starting spot early and will see alot of playing time. Said with his talent and skills if he would have played for an SEC team he my have been a 1st round pick. It's possible the Verdin could replace Whitehead on the roster as a DE/DT, but looks more like a practice squad player for 05. Jefferson may turn out to be the run stuffing NT we have lacked in New Orleans. Said he had him ranked much higher that 6th round. Says the Saints could be on the verge os making a big statement in regards to Jon Sullivan. Says it's very possible that the Saints are going to make a statement to the rest of the players and cut him after June 1st. The catch to this is with Howard's contract still on the books it may be tough. By if Howard is traded it could trigger the end of Sullivan Especially if John Jefferson energes in Mini-Camp & Training Camp. Sorry I didn't catch anything on McPherson, I know he had to mention it.
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04-28-2005, 03:58 PM	#2
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Mike Detillier comments. Very interesting, indeed! So if any of this is true, and they are thinking of cutting Sullivan if they can trade Howard, should we still give him one more chance? Sounds like the team might not be, and I would be dancing in the streets. No more free rides Sully. Hope you made enough to live on. No more free buffets while you collect a check.

04-28-2005, 04:03 PM	#3
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Mike Detillier comments. Very interesting, indeed! How pitiful would it be if Sully is outplayed by an undersized 6th round rookie?

04-28-2005, 04:07 PM	#4
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Mike Detillier comments. Very interesting, indeed! Danno -- Well if Jefferson turns out to be the run-stuffing DT that w\'eve been needing, then it could mean the end for Sullivan. However, I have no faith when it comes to Detillier\'s \"inside\" knowledge of what\'s going on with the Saints. NONE!! And I\'m not so sure what to think about Detillier\'s \"scouting\" abilities? It is surprising to me to see Detillier talk so highly of our draft picks. Talk about taking a 180. Detillier is usually very harsh of ANYthing Haslett and co. do.
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04-28-2005, 04:11 PM	#5
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Mike Detillier comments. Very interesting, indeed! Bullocks will play alot in the nickle and dime sets this season to refine his coverage skills and should take over for Bellamy in 06. Kinda what we all thought Fincher is going to suprise alot of Saints fans this season. He will challange for a starting spot early and will see alot of playing time. Said with his talent and skills if he would have played for an SEC team he may have been a 1st round pick. I hope so. It was stated he had a better combine workout than many LB\'s picked in front of him, including Kevin Burnette UT. It\'s possible the Verdin could replace Whitehead on the roster as a DE/DT, but looks more like a practice squad player for 05. Don\'t know much about this kid. Is he that good? Jefferson may turn out to be the run stuffing NT we have lacked in New Orleans. Said he had him ranked much higher that 6th round. I\'ll bet Sullivan doesn\'t even have a clue this guy may take his job. Says the Saints could be on the verge os making a big statement in regards to Jon Sullivan. Says it\'s very possible that the Saints are going to make a statement to the rest of the players and cut him after June 1st. The catch to this is with Howard\'s contract still on the books it may be tough. By if Howard is traded it could trigger the end of Sullivan Especially if John Jefferson energes in Mini-Camp & Training Camp. C\'mon Jefferson, move on up, to the east side, to a deeee-lux apartment in the sky-y-y.

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04-28-2005, 04:16 PM	#6
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Mike Detillier comments. Very interesting, indeed! Like I said, if this is true, I do not think cutting Sullivan would be an announcement of Jefferson\'s overwhelming talent. I think if Jefferson shows some ability, the Sullivan pick is a message to the rest of the team that under-performing and being overweight will no longer be tolerated. It is time to shed the underachiever label this team has been saddled with. Wasn\'t there a guy with Sully in the booth when Sully was in ATL? Smith or something? He was cut the next day, yet Sully was still collecting checks. It would be HUGE for them to admit their mistake on Sully, and it would be HUGE to show the rest of the team enough is enough. Talking to you Donte. Talking to you Allen. Talking to AB. Anyone who is not pulling their weight is gone, regardless of the consequences. Kinda like NE. I like it, if it\'s true.

04-28-2005, 04:20 PM	#7
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Mike Detillier comments. Very interesting, indeed! saintswhodi -- You think cutting Sully is a message that needs to be sent? What message did it send when Haslett cut Tebucky Jones? What message did it send when Haslett got rid of Grady Jackson? I mean, how many messages need to be sent? I\'m really not interested in any more \"messages\" being sent. All I\'m worried about is getting the best players on the field. [Edited on 28/4/2005 by GumboBC]
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04-28-2005, 04:31 PM	#8
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Mike Detillier comments. Very interesting, indeed! Yup, they sent the right message with Tebucky, and they sent the right message with Grady. Let me ask you, what message is being sent when one healthy guy who is inactive but goes and eats at the ATL media buffet is cut, and another isn\'t? What message does it send that no matter how hard someone else works, a fat lazy, underachiever will be in front of them on the depth chart? What message does it send to keep players like that around? When they cut these players, it sends a message that we are no longer wanthing that kind of atmosphere here. Tebucky wasn\'t cutting it, so bye. Grady was eating more players than he was tackling, bye. Same goes for Sully. I don\'t care how many messages it takes as long as at some point they deliver the right one. I\'m really not interested in any more \"messages\" being sent. All I\'m worried about is getting the best players on the field. Well, we all know sully is not one of the best players so problem solved.

04-28-2005, 04:34 PM	#9
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Mike Detillier comments. Very interesting, indeed! whodi -- I COULD ask what kind of message is being sent when you draft a convicted thief? I COULD say that by drafting a convicted thief that it sends a message to the team that they\'ll be given another chance in New Orleans. But, I\'m not!!
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04-28-2005, 05:11 PM	#10
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Mike Detillier comments. Very interesting, indeed! Or you could just ask the questions instead of being cheeky. Here are my thoughts on Sully from the other thread on the same topic: I understand that some people want to give Sully a chance - I can see that. We would love for him to come through on the expectations we had of him. Problem is, at some point we got to cut our losses. I understand that some people don\'t want to give him another chance - I can see that. Here\'s an idea that has had a lot of use in my life: sunk costs. When companies evaluate what they should do next, they don\'t look at what they did before - they look at future benefits and future costs. Thus, if they can make more money making gromets, rather than widgets - they should make gromets EVEN IF THEY JUST BOUGHT FANCY NEW WIDGET MAKING MACHINES. Thus, what we paid Sully, where he was drafted, how much we hated that pick, etc. IS A SUNK COST AND THUS IRRELEVANT. What is relevant are these things: what he will get paid, the cap hit we will take if we cut him, our expectations about how well he will play next year. Nothing about what has happened should be considered in this decision - that is a sunk cost. Good business practice, good decision making strategy, I suggest we think about it. I suppose, to make this topical, we\'d have to know the value of \"sending a message\". My guess is that it would have little to no impact, unless there are a lot of lazy guys on our team. Most other players fight for (and to keep) starting jobs. I\'m not seeing a lot of guys who could care less about whether they play, start, or whatever. If there aren\'t very many such players (and I actually doubt there are), then the message will not get to anyone who needs to hear it.
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