MI Potential Trade

jeanpierre · 07-20-2018, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

OL and downfield blocking is strong. West, Boston Scott or whoever should have some success. Quite a bit in fact.

Beast, here's the thing - Ingram is a devastating blocker, rarely missing assignments; have these guys showed in class they know their assignments?

Now, they may be terrific runners, but the offense is predicated on the advantage of misdirection and running multiple plays out of the same set...

Translation: if they can't block & the opposition knows it, then when they're in we're telegraphing run because they can't be trusted to protect Brees...

Originally Posted by Beastmode

I think people are assuming when he returns it will be 2017 again. If things are working well no way that happens. We are not going to kill something working. He will be brought back slowly. If it's working very well and somebo0dy makes a stupid offer we will take it.

You're absolutely right - every season is different. But if you think back to last season, we evolved throughout the season; not every game was @Buffalo...

And in this season, we will evolve, change, adapt so that our offense can keep that first step advantage every game, every play, every matchup...

Ingram will come in fresh; keep bringing up that Seattle playoff loss as a reminder we were unable to run out the clock because of no available RBs...

Originally Posted by Beastmode

That's all I am saying. If that happens what is his value? I don't dislike MI and as stated, I got laughed at for saying we would grab him but have to really look at this situation.

Don't want to jinx us, but the only situation where Ingram becomes more valuable to us in a trade is a total collapse and a contender needs him...

Right now his greatest, maximized value is a New Orleans Saint.

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Our greatest strength right now is actually DRAFTING. Without a 1st, or, limited ability to get it back, it won't be a strength next year. Say somebody offers a 3, or 4 with a conditional. Now we can bundle that 4 with a couple more picks and maybe sneak back in 1.

I'm not ready to say we're past our draft problems as I'm not real happy about Payton jumping in and trading two first round picks for Davenport...

We've had two drafts, 2006 (A-) and 2017 (A+), with the rest of Payton's tenure maybe grabbing one, maybe two roster keepers per year...

But I agree the best, proven method to building a perennial contender as the Steelers, Ravens, Broncos, Patriots seem to do is through good drafts...

K Major · 07-20-2018, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

I'm not ready to say we're past our draft problems as I'm not real happy about Payton jumping in and trading two first round picks for Davenport...

Many dirty bird fans had similar thoughts when they traded up for Julio J. If the Saints front office is confident a player will develop, you do what it takes to get him. Especially a position such as defensive end.

If Davenport develops into the next Cameron Jordan, Julius Peppers or Clowney, no one will talk about what it took to get him 2, 3 years from now. We have gone into last couple of drafts with DE as a priority. Both of our DE's are coming off injuries. Elite pass rushers are difficult to find. Saints won the Jimmy Dickens trade. Saints won the Cooks trade.

Don't forget who was the "mastermind" behind the Cows drafting future HOF DeMarcus Ware . Can't speak for anyone else but I'm fine with the Davenport selection.

It's our time fellas.

07-20-2018, 10:01 AM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: MI Potential Trade Originally Posted by Beastmode OL and downfield blocking is strong. West, Boston Scott or whoever should have some success. Quite a bit in fact. Beast, here's the thing - Ingram is a devastating blocker, rarely missing assignments; have these guys showed in class they know their assignments? Now, they may be terrific runners, but the offense is predicated on the advantage of misdirection and running multiple plays out of the same set... Translation: if they can't block & the opposition knows it, then when they're in we're telegraphing run because they can't be trusted to protect Brees... Originally Posted by Beastmode I think people are assuming when he returns it will be 2017 again. If things are working well no way that happens. We are not going to kill something working. He will be brought back slowly. If it's working very well and somebo0dy makes a stupid offer we will take it. You're absolutely right - every season is different. But if you think back to last season, we evolved throughout the season; not every game was @Buffalo... And in this season, we will evolve, change, adapt so that our offense can keep that first step advantage every game, every play, every matchup... Ingram will come in fresh; keep bringing up that Seattle playoff loss as a reminder we were unable to run out the clock because of no available RBs... Originally Posted by Beastmode That's all I am saying. If that happens what is his value? I don't dislike MI and as stated, I got laughed at for saying we would grab him but have to really look at this situation. Don't want to jinx us, but the only situation where Ingram becomes more valuable to us in a trade is a total collapse and a contender needs him... Right now his greatest, maximized value is a New Orleans Saint. Originally Posted by Beastmode Our greatest strength right now is actually DRAFTING. Without a 1st, or, limited ability to get it back, it won't be a strength next year. Say somebody offers a 3, or 4 with a conditional. Now we can bundle that 4 with a couple more picks and maybe sneak back in 1. I'm not ready to say we're past our draft problems as I'm not real happy about Payton jumping in and trading two first round picks for Davenport... We've had two drafts, 2006 (A-) and 2017 (A+), with the rest of Payton's tenure maybe grabbing one, maybe two roster keepers per year... But I agree the best, proven method to building a perennial contender as the Steelers, Ravens, Broncos, Patriots seem to do is through good drafts...
	It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way...

07-20-2018, 10:27 AM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: MI Potential Trade Originally Posted by jeanpierre I'm not ready to say we're past our draft problems as I'm not real happy about Payton jumping in and trading two first round picks for Davenport... Many dirty bird fans had similar thoughts when they traded up for Julio J. If the Saints front office is confident a player will develop, you do what it takes to get him. Especially a position such as defensive end. If Davenport develops into the next Cameron Jordan, Julius Peppers or Clowney, no one will talk about what it took to get him 2, 3 years from now. We have gone into last couple of drafts with DE as a priority. Both of our DE's are coming off injuries. Elite pass rushers are difficult to find. Saints won the Jimmy Dickens trade. Saints won the Cooks trade. Don't forget who was the "mastermind" behind the Cows drafting future HOF DeMarcus Ware . Can't speak for anyone else but I'm fine with the Davenport selection. It's our time fellas. jnormand and AsylumGuido like this.

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