Taysom Hill falters in first start as Saints drop preseason matchup to Cardinals

frydaddy · 08-21-2018, 11:49 AM

Gawd, you need every.single.thing spelled out for you. Ok, try to keep up now. When I said no one gave grayson the same benefit of the doubt, I was referring to people here, on this forum, not the coaching staff.

Yes, Taysom had a single half. He's also had an entire year with the team, and an entire training camp. His single half was a complete disaster. GG had some pretty pathetic showings, granted, but never anything as bad as what we all saw from Taysom. If he proves me wrong someday and actually does develop into a solid QB, that's fantastic. As of right now, I'm 99% sure that won't happen. I've been watching football for over 20 years, I've seen enough mid to late round and undrafted QB's come along to feel comfortable in my assessment. If you, or anyone else wants to hold onto hope that he's gonna be the exception, then you are of course within your rights to do so. I have as much right and plenty of reason to think otherwise.

cars4dylan · 08-21-2018, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by frydaddy

Gawd, you need every.single.thing spelled out for you. Ok, try to keep up now. When I said no one gave grayson the same benefit of the doubt, I was referring to people here, on this forum, not the coaching staff.

I don't need to keep up, I'm light years ahead of you. I was right there with you hoping that GG would find "it" but he never did, and never could.

GG never showed half the promise Hill did in any realm of athleticism or QB capability. Hill is a project and you don't just toss a project out because of 1 "disastrous" half. You take the context of good and bad and see what they've learned and how they've graded out over the course of camp. You look for progression and if there is none...then you scrap the project.

Again, look again at Payton's reaction after the play I mentioned. I'm guessing he's tracking his progression a little bit closer than you, me, or anyone on the boards. As has been stated we need to see more than 1 half before saying he's got no more than a 1% chance of getting a job.

jeanpierre · 08-21-2018, 12:18 PM

The perspective of this discussion will be real interesting after this week's preseason game...

K Major · 08-21-2018, 12:43 PM

Question for you guys ...

Do you believe the Saints will cut Tom Savage & roll with J.T "The Ohio State" Barrett & Taysom Hill?

saintfan · 08-21-2018, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Question for you guys ...

Do you believe the Saints will cut Tom Savage & roll with J.T "The Ohio State" Barrett & Taysom Hill?

I doubt it. I have a feeling Savage will be Drew's backup. I'd like to see Barrett get more opportunities, but I don't see it coming.

K Major · 08-21-2018, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I doubt it. I have a feeling Savage will be Drew's backup. I'd like to see Barrett get more opportunities, but I don't see it coming.

Saintfan,

I do too but here is my reasoning on Barrett. JT has a good arm, solid pocket presence & he's got "I've played for a top 10 program" accuracy throwing into tight windows. I don't think he is ready, but he at least looks like he has the tools to get ready. Give the guy some extra reps & see if he can become the #2.

saintfan · 08-21-2018, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Saintfan,

I do too but here is my reasoning on Barrett. JT has a good arm, solid pocket presence & he's got "I've played for a top 10 program" accuracy throwing into tight windows. I don't think he is ready, but he at least looks like he has the tools to get ready. Give the guy some extra reps & see if he can become the #2.

I don't disagree. After what I saw last week I'd give Barrett a real shot at #2. The kid looks savvy, and the two guys in front of him looked like poo.

Barry from MS · 08-21-2018, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I do too but here is my reasoning on Barrett. JT has a good arm, solid pocket presence & he's got "I've played for a top 10 program" accuracy throwing into tight windows. I don't think he is ready, but he at least looks like he has the tools to get ready. Give the guy some extra reps & see if he can become the #2.

Agree 100%. J.T. has those intangibles that are off the charts. It seems no situation is too big for him.

Accuracy can be taught, and he's already pretty darned accurate to boot. His command & the respect he carries as a rookie is unreal. You can't teach that. He can be developed b/c he grasps concepts so quickly as his football IQ is remarkable.

We've now seen Taysom in the big moment crumble under the expectations put on him. Sure it was 1 half & he can certainly rebound, but it's a bit unsettling if he's the #2 and being one hit away from commanding this offense in this division. Honestly I'd take J.T. over Taysom & Savage in that situation.

RailBoss · 08-21-2018, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Question for you guys ...

Do you believe the Saints will cut Tom Savage & roll with J.T "The Ohio State" Barrett & Taysom Hill?

In my opinion I don't think SP will cut a veteran QB and leave the backup
role to Rookies. Historically SP usually rolls that way but it seems that he
really likes Taysum, J.T. could be the odd man out.

K Major · 08-21-2018, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by RailBoss

In my opinion I don't think SP will cut a veteran QB and leave the backup
role to Rookies. Historically SP usually rolls that way but it seems that he
really likes Taysum, J.T. could be the odd man out.

I know I'll probably get flamed for this (I may deserve it) but I think we've bought too much into that angle. In 11, 12+ years, coach has yet to develop even a backup QB despite taking more than a half dozen bites at the apple. Just about every season we've been left with hoping a veteran can fill the role. I've come to believe that it's simply about talent & we just lack it at the position behind the Great Drew Brees

.

I hope within the next couple of years, we pick high with real proven talent at the collegiate level & develop at the QB position.

Brees can't do it forever.

08-21-2018, 11:49 AM	#1
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,964 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Taysom Hill falters in first start as Saints drop preseason matchup to Cardinals Gawd, you need every.single.thing spelled out for you. Ok, try to keep up now. When I said no one gave grayson the same benefit of the doubt, I was referring to people here, on this forum, not the coaching staff. Yes, Taysom had a single half. He's also had an entire year with the team, and an entire training camp. His single half was a complete disaster. GG had some pretty pathetic showings, granted, but never anything as bad as what we all saw from Taysom. If he proves me wrong someday and actually does develop into a solid QB, that's fantastic. As of right now, I'm 99% sure that won't happen. I've been watching football for over 20 years, I've seen enough mid to late round and undrafted QB's come along to feel comfortable in my assessment. If you, or anyone else wants to hold onto hope that he's gonna be the exception, then you are of course within your rights to do so. I have as much right and plenty of reason to think otherwise. Garry42 likes this.
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08-21-2018, 12:43 PM	#2
cars4dylan 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 106	Re: Taysom Hill falters in first start as Saints drop preseason matchup to Cardinals Originally Posted by frydaddy Gawd, you need every.single.thing spelled out for you. Ok, try to keep up now. When I said no one gave grayson the same benefit of the doubt, I was referring to people here, on this forum, not the coaching staff. I don't need to keep up, I'm light years ahead of you. I was right there with you hoping that GG would find "it" but he never did, and never could. GG never showed half the promise Hill did in any realm of athleticism or QB capability. Hill is a project and you don't just toss a project out because of 1 "disastrous" half. You take the context of good and bad and see what they've learned and how they've graded out over the course of camp. You look for progression and if there is none...then you scrap the project. Again, look again at Payton's reaction after the play I mentioned. I'm guessing he's tracking his progression a little bit closer than you, me, or anyone on the boards. As has been stated we need to see more than 1 half before saying he's got no more than a 1% chance of getting a job.
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08-21-2018, 12:18 PM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Taysom Hill falters in first start as Saints drop preseason matchup to Cardinals The perspective of this discussion will be real interesting after this week's preseason game... Garry42 and K Major like this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Taysom Hill falters in first start as Saints drop preseason matchup to Cardinals Question for you guys ... Do you believe the Saints will cut Tom Savage & roll with J.T "The Ohio State" Barrett & Taysom Hill?

08-21-2018, 01:06 PM	#5
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Taysom Hill falters in first start as Saints drop preseason matchup to Cardinals Originally Posted by K Major Question for you guys ... Do you believe the Saints will cut Tom Savage & roll with J.T "The Ohio State" Barrett & Taysom Hill? I doubt it. I have a feeling Savage will be Drew's backup. I'd like to see Barrett get more opportunities, but I don't see it coming. K Major likes this.

08-21-2018, 02:20 PM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Taysom Hill falters in first start as Saints drop preseason matchup to Cardinals Originally Posted by saintfan I doubt it. I have a feeling Savage will be Drew's backup. I'd like to see Barrett get more opportunities, but I don't see it coming. Saintfan, I do too but here is my reasoning on Barrett. JT has a good arm, solid pocket presence & he's got "I've played for a top 10 program" accuracy throwing into tight windows. I don't think he is ready, but he at least looks like he has the tools to get ready. Give the guy some extra reps & see if he can become the #2. Barry from MS likes this.

08-21-2018, 02:29 PM	#7
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Taysom Hill falters in first start as Saints drop preseason matchup to Cardinals Originally Posted by K Major Saintfan, I do too but here is my reasoning on Barrett. JT has a good arm, solid pocket presence & he's got "I've played for a top 10 program" accuracy throwing into tight windows. I don't think he is ready, but he at least looks like he has the tools to get ready. Give the guy some extra reps & see if he can become the #2. I don't disagree. After what I saw last week I'd give Barrett a real shot at #2. The kid looks savvy, and the two guys in front of him looked like poo. K Major likes this.

08-21-2018, 04:27 PM	#8
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Taysom Hill falters in first start as Saints drop preseason matchup to Cardinals Originally Posted by K Major I do too but here is my reasoning on Barrett. JT has a good arm, solid pocket presence & he's got "I've played for a top 10 program" accuracy throwing into tight windows. I don't think he is ready, but he at least looks like he has the tools to get ready. Give the guy some extra reps & see if he can become the #2. Agree 100%. J.T. has those intangibles that are off the charts. It seems no situation is too big for him. Accuracy can be taught, and he's already pretty darned accurate to boot. His command & the respect he carries as a rookie is unreal. You can't teach that. He can be developed b/c he grasps concepts so quickly as his football IQ is remarkable. We've now seen Taysom in the big moment crumble under the expectations put on him. Sure it was 1 half & he can certainly rebound, but it's a bit unsettling if he's the #2 and being one hit away from commanding this offense in this division. Honestly I'd take J.T. over Taysom & Savage in that situation.
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08-21-2018, 02:40 PM	#9
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Taysom Hill falters in first start as Saints drop preseason matchup to Cardinals Originally Posted by K Major Question for you guys ... Do you believe the Saints will cut Tom Savage & roll with J.T "The Ohio State" Barrett & Taysom Hill? In my opinion I don't think SP will cut a veteran QB and leave the backup role to Rookies. Historically SP usually rolls that way but it seems that he really likes Taysum, J.T. could be the odd man out. Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.

08-21-2018, 02:49 PM	#10
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Taysom Hill falters in first start as Saints drop preseason matchup to Cardinals Originally Posted by RailBoss In my opinion I don't think SP will cut a veteran QB and leave the backup role to Rookies. Historically SP usually rolls that way but it seems that he really likes Taysum, J.T. could be the odd man out. I know I'll probably get flamed for this (I may deserve it) but I think we've bought too much into that angle. In 11, 12+ years, coach has yet to develop even a backup QB despite taking more than a half dozen bites at the apple. Just about every season we've been left with hoping a veteran can fill the role. I've come to believe that it's simply about talent & we just lack it at the position behind the Great Drew Brees . I hope within the next couple of years, we pick high with real proven talent at the collegiate level & develop at the QB position. Brees can't do it forever. jnormand and RailBoss like this.

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