Taysom Hill falters in first start as Saints drop preseason matchup to Cardinals

cars4dylan · 08-21-2018, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Take your 75 post self back to the locker room and hold the clip board. Grown ups are talking.

As far as Hill goes, I keep hearing how good he is on special teams but nothing he has done sticks out in my mind. I feel like I would remember at least a play or two since he’s such an ace.

First, sorry if I've ruffled feathers of those who sit and post on this board more frequently than I do.

But saying my point is not relevant because it's not bolstered by a +5K post count in my profile is a laughable if not ridiculous premise. Contest me on my points all day long. I don't mind debate.

But anyone puffing out their keyboard warrior chest and strutting around their room like they put me in my place by pointing out my 70 odd posts just shows me they lack the ability to argue the point at hand. My posts were sarcastic, yes. Sorry, but they went at specific points which none of the detractors countered successfully. Hill had 1 half, that doesn't make him garbage. Him coming out at his next opportunity and making the same mistakes without any growth would be a warning sign. Truth.

I'm just saying I don't think he's a bust, especially not at this point.

Slam me all you want for my mainly lurking and reading on topics that interest me versus posting thousands of times. That's okay. It's all good, in the end I'll cheer with any of you at any Saints game if I'm standing nearby.

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The Dude · 08-22-2018, 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by cars4dylan

First, sorry if I've ruffled feathers of those who sit and post on this board more frequently than I do.

But saying my point is not relevant because it's not bolstered by a +5K post count in my profile is a laughable if not ridiculous premise. Contest me on my points all day long. I don't mind debate.

But anyone puffing out their keyboard warrior chest and strutting around their room like they put me in my place by pointing out my 70 odd posts just shows me they lack the ability to argue the point at hand. My posts were sarcastic, yes. Sorry, but they went at specific points which none of the detractors countered successfully. Hill had 1 half, that doesn't make him garbage. Him coming out at his next opportunity and making the same mistakes without any growth would be a warning sign. Truth.

I'm just saying I don't think he's a bust, especially not at this point.

Slam me all you want for my mainly lurking and reading on topics that interest me versus posting thousands of times. That's okay. It's all good, in the end I'll cheer with any of you at any Saints game if I'm standing nearby.

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To label him a bust is to act as if we gave up something or invested a lot of cash to get him. He just isn’t living up to the hype and doesn’t look like he ever will be anything more than a special teams player. Not sure he’s REALLY all that good at that.
I thought from the beginning Payton was playing some sort of a game hyping this guy up. Didn’t know if it was a draft strategy or building him up in the eyes of the media for use as future trade bait. He’s exposed now.
If Brees goes down I expect us to sign Bridgewater.

K Major · 08-20-2018, 02:21 PM

Whether Taysom has played in one game or 12, one thing I do know is that Coach Payton will not tolerate turnovers (3 fumbles & 2 lost) & not protecting the ball.

4 turnovers in a half is unacceptable at any level.

rezburna · 08-20-2018, 02:31 PM

Those fumbles were just silly. I can live with the first pick eventhough I feel like he should have thrown it as soon as the receiver broke on his slant...but the second one and those fumbles? Silly.

K Major · 08-21-2018, 09:24 AM

UDFA QB's who play on special teams become starting QBs pretty much never + Hill's hands are too small (see fumbles in p/s game #2). NFL Scouts/analysts make reference to these details for a reason. I just hope this kid isn't getting reps because he's athletic.

FYI, the great Drew Brees has 10+ inch hands.

vpheughan · 08-21-2018, 10:19 AM

IMAGINE IF D.S. AND THE MICKSTER PICKED LAMAR JACKSON INSTEAD? AT LEAST T.HILL DIDN'T COST A WHOLE BUNCH OF FIRST ROUND PICKS? YOUNG QB'S DRAFTED SINCE 2009 TYLER PALKO, SEAN CANFIELD, GARRET GRAYSON THE FREE AGENTS ACTUALLY TO MAKE OTHER ROSTERS CHASE DANIEL AND RYAN GRIFFIN

cars4dylan · 08-21-2018, 11:23 AM

Good GOD...thank goodness some of you nitwits don't run the franchise!!!

There may be something to the hand size issue (which I've no knowledge of as being factual as I've not researched). But the 2 picks weren't on him, I'd put both on the WRs. Across the middle hit him square in the hands and went right thru. Ginn got beat out for position by the DB and gave up on the play from the way I saw it play out.

The fumbles are coachable moments and we'll see if he learns from the experience. I haven't heard a single peep before this preseason game of this being an issue. If it truly was I'm pretty sure there would have been more on the issue during camp before now.

Did none of you people bashing him see the way he got out of the one pressure where he scrambled right and made a great throw to turn a negative play into a positive one. First down if I'm not mistaken to Arnold (I think? I gotta watch it again). The big thing out of that play was the reaction by Payton and the rest of the coaching staff. They seemed pretty psyched on that play and that was after the previous mishaps where you'd think they'd not be so impressed.

In the end...who am I gonna go with on thoughts about the #2?? You guys or Payton, Carmichael, and Lombardi??? I'll give you a clue...it's probably not anyone reading this forum post!!!

Rugby Saint II · 08-21-2018, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by cars4dylan

Good GOD...thank goodness some of you nitwits don't run the franchise!!!

There may be something to the hand size issue (which I've no knowledge of as being factual as I've not researched). But the 2 picks weren't on him, I'd put both on the WRs. Across the middle hit him square in the hands and went right thru. Ginn got beat out for position by the DB and gave up on the play from the way I saw it play out.

The fumbles are coachable moments and we'll see if he learns from the experience. I haven't heard a single peep before this preseason game of this being an issue. If it truly was I'm pretty sure there would have been more on the issue during camp before now.

Did none of you people bashing him see the way he got out of the one pressure where he scrambled right and made a great throw to turn a negative play into a positive one. First down if I'm not mistaken to Arnold (I think? I gotta watch it again). The big thing out of that play was the reaction by Payton and the rest of the coaching staff. They seemed pretty psyched on that play and that was after the previous mishaps where you'd think they'd not be so impressed.

In the end...who am I gonna go with on thoughts about the #2?? You guys or Payton, Carmichael, and Lombardi??? I'll give you a clue...it's probably not anyone reading this forum post!!!

Whoa! Slow down there big boy! We are all on the same team here! We don't usually call members out and work graciously to find common ground without resorting to subtle name calling.

I'm glad to see you posting more though. Welcome back.

EDIT: I like Hill. Read my earlier posts.

saintfan · 08-21-2018, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Whoa! Slow down there big boy! We are all on the same team here! We don't usually call members out and work graciously to find common ground without resorting to subtle name calling.

I'm glad to see you posting more though. Welcome back.

EDIT: I like Hill. Read my earlier posts.

Generally need a 4 digit post total to get personal. I mean, we do it, but its like arguing with your cousins or something.

The Dude · 08-21-2018, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by cars4dylan

Good GOD...thank goodness some of you nitwits don't run the franchise!!!

There may be something to the hand size issue (which I've no knowledge of as being factual as I've not researched). But the 2 picks weren't on him, I'd put both on the WRs. Across the middle hit him square in the hands and went right thru. Ginn got beat out for position by the DB and gave up on the play from the way I saw it play out.

The fumbles are coachable moments and we'll see if he learns from the experience. I haven't heard a single peep before this preseason game of this being an issue. If it truly was I'm pretty sure there would have been more on the issue during camp before now.

Did none of you people bashing him see the way he got out of the one pressure where he scrambled right and made a great throw to turn a negative play into a positive one. First down if I'm not mistaken to Arnold (I think? I gotta watch it again). The big thing out of that play was the reaction by Payton and the rest of the coaching staff. They seemed pretty psyched on that play and that was after the previous mishaps where you'd think they'd not be so impressed.

In the end...who am I gonna go with on thoughts about the #2?? You guys or Payton, Carmichael, and Lombardi??? I'll give you a clue...it's probably not anyone reading this forum post!!!

Ok. 4 turnovers and one good impressive play. Give me a game manager and run the ball down their throats while we still have a healthy line. Only way we are winning if Brees goes down.
Hill is the second coming of Aaron Brooks.

08-21-2018, 10:39 PM	#1
cars4dylan 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 106	Re: Taysom Hill falters in first start as Saints drop preseason matchup to Cardinals Originally Posted by The Dude Take your 75 post self back to the locker room and hold the clip board. Grown ups are talking. As far as Hill goes, I keep hearing how good he is on special teams but nothing he has done sticks out in my mind. I feel like I would remember at least a play or two since he’s such an ace. First, sorry if I've ruffled feathers of those who sit and post on this board more frequently than I do. But saying my point is not relevant because it's not bolstered by a +5K post count in my profile is a laughable if not ridiculous premise. Contest me on my points all day long. I don't mind debate. But anyone puffing out their keyboard warrior chest and strutting around their room like they put me in my place by pointing out my 70 odd posts just shows me they lack the ability to argue the point at hand. My posts were sarcastic, yes. Sorry, but they went at specific points which none of the detractors countered successfully. Hill had 1 half, that doesn't make him garbage. Him coming out at his next opportunity and making the same mistakes without any growth would be a warning sign. Truth. I'm just saying I don't think he's a bust, especially not at this point. Slam me all you want for my mainly lurking and reading on topics that interest me versus posting thousands of times. That's okay. It's all good, in the end I'll cheer with any of you at any Saints game if I'm standing nearby. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk blackangold likes this.
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08-22-2018, 12:36 AM	#2
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Taysom Hill falters in first start as Saints drop preseason matchup to Cardinals Originally Posted by cars4dylan First, sorry if I've ruffled feathers of those who sit and post on this board more frequently than I do. But saying my point is not relevant because it's not bolstered by a +5K post count in my profile is a laughable if not ridiculous premise. Contest me on my points all day long. I don't mind debate. But anyone puffing out their keyboard warrior chest and strutting around their room like they put me in my place by pointing out my 70 odd posts just shows me they lack the ability to argue the point at hand. My posts were sarcastic, yes. Sorry, but they went at specific points which none of the detractors countered successfully. Hill had 1 half, that doesn't make him garbage. Him coming out at his next opportunity and making the same mistakes without any growth would be a warning sign. Truth. I'm just saying I don't think he's a bust, especially not at this point. Slam me all you want for my mainly lurking and reading on topics that interest me versus posting thousands of times. That's okay. It's all good, in the end I'll cheer with any of you at any Saints game if I'm standing nearby. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk To label him a bust is to act as if we gave up something or invested a lot of cash to get him. He just isn’t living up to the hype and doesn’t look like he ever will be anything more than a special teams player. Not sure he’s REALLY all that good at that. I thought from the beginning Payton was playing some sort of a game hyping this guy up. Didn’t know if it was a draft strategy or building him up in the eyes of the media for use as future trade bait. He’s exposed now. If Brees goes down I expect us to sign Bridgewater.
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08-20-2018, 02:21 PM	#3
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,742 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Taysom Hill falters in first start as Saints drop preseason matchup to Cardinals Whether Taysom has played in one game or 12, one thing I do know is that Coach Payton will not tolerate turnovers (3 fumbles & 2 lost) & not protecting the ball. 4 turnovers in a half is unacceptable at any level. Rugby Saint II likes this.

08-20-2018, 02:31 PM	#4
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,999	Re: Taysom Hill falters in first start as Saints drop preseason matchup to Cardinals Those fumbles were just silly. I can live with the first pick eventhough I feel like he should have thrown it as soon as the receiver broke on his slant...but the second one and those fumbles? Silly.

08-21-2018, 09:24 AM	#5
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,742 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Taysom Hill falters in first start as Saints drop preseason matchup to Cardinals UDFA QB's who play on special teams become starting QBs pretty much never + Hill's hands are too small (see fumbles in p/s game #2). NFL Scouts/analysts make reference to these details for a reason. I just hope this kid isn't getting reps because he's athletic. FYI, the great Drew Brees has 10+ inch hands. frydaddy likes this.

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vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,543	Re: Taysom Hill falters in first start as Saints drop preseason matchup to Cardinals IMAGINE IF D.S. AND THE MICKSTER PICKED LAMAR JACKSON INSTEAD? AT LEAST T.HILL DIDN'T COST A WHOLE BUNCH OF FIRST ROUND PICKS? YOUNG QB'S DRAFTED SINCE 2009 TYLER PALKO, SEAN CANFIELD, GARRET GRAYSON THE FREE AGENTS ACTUALLY TO MAKE OTHER ROSTERS CHASE DANIEL AND RYAN GRIFFIN
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08-21-2018, 11:23 AM	#7
cars4dylan 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 106	Re: Taysom Hill falters in first start as Saints drop preseason matchup to Cardinals Good GOD...thank goodness some of you nitwits don't run the franchise!!! There may be something to the hand size issue (which I've no knowledge of as being factual as I've not researched). But the 2 picks weren't on him, I'd put both on the WRs. Across the middle hit him square in the hands and went right thru. Ginn got beat out for position by the DB and gave up on the play from the way I saw it play out. The fumbles are coachable moments and we'll see if he learns from the experience. I haven't heard a single peep before this preseason game of this being an issue. If it truly was I'm pretty sure there would have been more on the issue during camp before now. Did none of you people bashing him see the way he got out of the one pressure where he scrambled right and made a great throw to turn a negative play into a positive one. First down if I'm not mistaken to Arnold (I think? I gotta watch it again). The big thing out of that play was the reaction by Payton and the rest of the coaching staff. They seemed pretty psyched on that play and that was after the previous mishaps where you'd think they'd not be so impressed. In the end...who am I gonna go with on thoughts about the #2?? You guys or Payton, Carmichael, and Lombardi??? I'll give you a clue...it's probably not anyone reading this forum post!!! jeanpierre likes this.
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08-21-2018, 07:16 PM	#8
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,119	Re: Taysom Hill falters in first start as Saints drop preseason matchup to Cardinals Originally Posted by cars4dylan Good GOD...thank goodness some of you nitwits don't run the franchise!!! There may be something to the hand size issue (which I've no knowledge of as being factual as I've not researched). But the 2 picks weren't on him, I'd put both on the WRs. Across the middle hit him square in the hands and went right thru. Ginn got beat out for position by the DB and gave up on the play from the way I saw it play out. The fumbles are coachable moments and we'll see if he learns from the experience. I haven't heard a single peep before this preseason game of this being an issue. If it truly was I'm pretty sure there would have been more on the issue during camp before now. Did none of you people bashing him see the way he got out of the one pressure where he scrambled right and made a great throw to turn a negative play into a positive one. First down if I'm not mistaken to Arnold (I think? I gotta watch it again). The big thing out of that play was the reaction by Payton and the rest of the coaching staff. They seemed pretty psyched on that play and that was after the previous mishaps where you'd think they'd not be so impressed. In the end...who am I gonna go with on thoughts about the #2?? You guys or Payton, Carmichael, and Lombardi??? I'll give you a clue...it's probably not anyone reading this forum post!!! Whoa! Slow down there big boy! We are all on the same team here! We don't usually call members out and work graciously to find common ground without resorting to subtle name calling. I'm glad to see you posting more though. Welcome back. EDIT: I like Hill. Read my earlier posts. saintfan and jnormand like this.

08-21-2018, 08:29 PM	#9
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Taysom Hill falters in first start as Saints drop preseason matchup to Cardinals Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Whoa! Slow down there big boy! We are all on the same team here! We don't usually call members out and work graciously to find common ground without resorting to subtle name calling. I'm glad to see you posting more though. Welcome back. EDIT: I like Hill. Read my earlier posts. Generally need a 4 digit post total to get personal. I mean, we do it, but its like arguing with your cousins or something. jeanpierre and Rugby Saint II like this.

08-21-2018, 09:44 PM	#10
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Taysom Hill falters in first start as Saints drop preseason matchup to Cardinals Originally Posted by cars4dylan Good GOD...thank goodness some of you nitwits don't run the franchise!!! There may be something to the hand size issue (which I've no knowledge of as being factual as I've not researched). But the 2 picks weren't on him, I'd put both on the WRs. Across the middle hit him square in the hands and went right thru. Ginn got beat out for position by the DB and gave up on the play from the way I saw it play out. The fumbles are coachable moments and we'll see if he learns from the experience. I haven't heard a single peep before this preseason game of this being an issue. If it truly was I'm pretty sure there would have been more on the issue during camp before now. Did none of you people bashing him see the way he got out of the one pressure where he scrambled right and made a great throw to turn a negative play into a positive one. First down if I'm not mistaken to Arnold (I think? I gotta watch it again). The big thing out of that play was the reaction by Payton and the rest of the coaching staff. They seemed pretty psyched on that play and that was after the previous mishaps where you'd think they'd not be so impressed. In the end...who am I gonna go with on thoughts about the #2?? You guys or Payton, Carmichael, and Lombardi??? I'll give you a clue...it's probably not anyone reading this forum post!!! Ok. 4 turnovers and one good impressive play. Give me a game manager and run the ball down their throats while we still have a healthy line. Only way we are winning if Brees goes down. Hill is the second coming of Aaron Brooks.
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