I’m not sexist

AsylumGuido · 09-12-2018, 10:22 AM

Ignore the facts. Fine. There is clearly pay gap. Employers for the most part are driven by the bottom line. Given all other factors the average employer would hire the employee willing to work for less. This is a major factor of the very real pay gap. The demographics willing to working for less are unfortunately both women and minorities. And why are they willing to work for less? Because that is the best avenue for getting and sustaining employment. It is a Catch 22 that has taken half a century to improve and most likely another half century to be eliminated. Other factors, although, do include varying degrees of discrimination.

This pay disparagement exists at every level from hocking burgers to the corporate ladder rungs.

burningmetal · 09-12-2018, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Ignore the facts. Fine. There is clearly pay gap. Employers for the most part are driven by the bottom line. Given all other factors the average employer would hire the employee willing to work for less. This is a major factor of the very real pay gap. The demographics willing to working for less are unfortunately both women and minorities. And why are they willing to work for less? Because that is the best avenue for getting and sustaining employment. It is a Catch 22 that has taken half a century to improve and most likely another half century to be eliminated. Other factors, although, do include varying degrees of discrimination.

This pay disparagement exists at every level from hocking burgers to the corporate ladder rungs.

No one is ignoring facts. You have only shown a chart showing wages of women vs. men in various places. From there you just say things. You make statements without hard facts.

You claim discrimination, and you pretend to know the mind of every employer, yet you have nothing but hearsay to demonstrate these things.

ANYONE who is willing to take less, is going to make less. If you aren't going to fight for yourself, you get what you get. You know what companies REALLY like? Productivity. If you are good at what you do, they won't be looking to short change you.

The people who tend to make the least, are illegal immigrants, because, well, they aren't actually entitled to make ANY money in this country. Do companies look to benefit from that? You bet. But do you know what causes some businesses to look for cheap labor? Suffocating regulations. Cheap labor is the norm in places like Mexico, and that is why so many businesses have, are were ready to leave this country.

Trump has lifted these regulations, companies are coming back, they are raising their wages, black unemployment is at it's lowest rate ever, and women have their highest employment numbers in a long time.

It's funny what happens when the government gets out of the way of businesses. Those businesses tend to have a lot more freedom to pay all of their employees. In the kind of suffocating economy that we've endured for decades, you either hire only the utmost qualified applicants and go with a short staff, or you just hire the most desperate people who you can pay the least. Again, women simply do not accumulate the same level of experience as men do, on average, and this naturally means that their pay scale is going to be lower.

Yet, when a women, or black person, shows a unique set of skills, they unsurprisingly find themselves doing just fine. That woudn't be so, if employers made decisions based on prejudice.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: I’m not sexist Ignore the facts. Fine. There is clearly pay gap. Employers for the most part are driven by the bottom line. Given all other factors the average employer would hire the employee willing to work for less. This is a major factor of the very real pay gap. The demographics willing to working for less are unfortunately both women and minorities. And why are they willing to work for less? Because that is the best avenue for getting and sustaining employment. It is a Catch 22 that has taken half a century to improve and most likely another half century to be eliminated. Other factors, although, do include varying degrees of discrimination. This pay disparagement exists at every level from hocking burgers to the corporate ladder rungs. rezburna and WHODATINCA like this.
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09-12-2018, 10:48 AM	#2
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I’m not sexist Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Ignore the facts. Fine. There is clearly pay gap. Employers for the most part are driven by the bottom line. Given all other factors the average employer would hire the employee willing to work for less. This is a major factor of the very real pay gap. The demographics willing to working for less are unfortunately both women and minorities. And why are they willing to work for less? Because that is the best avenue for getting and sustaining employment. It is a Catch 22 that has taken half a century to improve and most likely another half century to be eliminated. Other factors, although, do include varying degrees of discrimination. This pay disparagement exists at every level from hocking burgers to the corporate ladder rungs. No one is ignoring facts. You have only shown a chart showing wages of women vs. men in various places. From there you just say things. You make statements without hard facts. You claim discrimination, and you pretend to know the mind of every employer, yet you have nothing but hearsay to demonstrate these things. ANYONE who is willing to take less, is going to make less. If you aren't going to fight for yourself, you get what you get. You know what companies REALLY like? Productivity. If you are good at what you do, they won't be looking to short change you. The people who tend to make the least, are illegal immigrants, because, well, they aren't actually entitled to make ANY money in this country. Do companies look to benefit from that? You bet. But do you know what causes some businesses to look for cheap labor? Suffocating regulations. Cheap labor is the norm in places like Mexico, and that is why so many businesses have, are were ready to leave this country. Trump has lifted these regulations, companies are coming back, they are raising their wages, black unemployment is at it's lowest rate ever, and women have their highest employment numbers in a long time. It's funny what happens when the government gets out of the way of businesses. Those businesses tend to have a lot more freedom to pay all of their employees. In the kind of suffocating economy that we've endured for decades, you either hire only the utmost qualified applicants and go with a short staff, or you just hire the most desperate people who you can pay the least. Again, women simply do not accumulate the same level of experience as men do, on average, and this naturally means that their pay scale is going to be lower. Yet, when a women, or black person, shows a unique set of skills, they unsurprisingly find themselves doing just fine. That woudn't be so, if employers made decisions based on prejudice. spkb25 and Thirty3 like this.
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