Dez Bryant coming for a workout

frydaddy · 11-05-2018, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I feel like it was more of the QB he was playing with. Dak Prescott is a very pedestrian QB.

You'll get no argument from me on your assessment of Dak. But I look at a guy like DeAndre Hopkins, who had complete and utter garbage QB's for years, and was routinely double covered because he was the only legitimate threat on the field. He still put up great numbers year after year. I know Dez is older, but his decline started when he should have still been in his prime.

I'm not saying I won't root for him if he is signed, but I personally think he's done.

st thomas · 11-05-2018, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I feel like it was more of the QB he was playing with. Dak Prescott is a very pedestrian QB.

It took less than a season for Prescott to fade away

ChrisXVI · 11-05-2018, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by frydaddy

Have you seen much of his play the last couple of years? All I see is a guy who has a very limited route tree, whose ability to create separation has severely diminished. He was never a fast guy, but he's even slower now. He doesn't consistently win 50-50 balls anymore, which was one of his strengths in his prime.

This is a guy who hasn't been able to secure a job, despite so many teams around the league needing receivers. He's had a handful of workouts with some of those very same teams and nothing has come of it. Most guys in his position get jobs, or at least training camp invites on their reputation alone. The fact that he hasn't is, to me, very telling.

I won’t dispute his diminished abilities. I didn’t pay much attention to him in recent years. He has had offers though. I know the Ravens offered him something in the ball park of 3 years/$21 million and he turned it down. He’s looking for a one-year deal and at this point probably just waiting for a contender.

frydaddy · 11-05-2018, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

I won’t dispute his diminished abilities. I didn’t pay much attention to him in recent years. He has had offers though. I know the Ravens offered him something in the ball park of 3 years/$21 million and he turned it down. He’s looking for a one-year deal and at this point probably just waiting for a contender.

You're right, I forgot about the offer from the ravens. But he also flew to Cleveland practically begging for a job and walked away with nothing. He made it pretty clear he wanted to sign with them, and they need all the help they can get.

saintsfan1976 · 11-05-2018, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by frydaddy

Have you seen much of his play the last couple of years? All I see is a guy who has a very limited route tree, whose ability to create separation has severely diminished. He was never a fast guy, but he's even slower now. He doesn't consistently win 50-50 balls anymore, which was one of his strengths in his prime.

This is a guy who hasn't been able to secure a job, despite so many teams around the league needing receivers. He's had a handful of workouts with some of those very same teams and nothing has come of it. Most guys in his position get jobs, or at least training camp invites on their reputation alone. The fact that he hasn't is, to me, very telling.

All I see is an incredible talent who's production dropped as soon as Romo left the building.

In regards to securing a job, I wouldn't play for the Browns either.

But seriously - it sounds like Dez was waiting for the right opportunity, not just money.

And who knows, maybe Sean asked him to hang on a few weeks...

frydaddy · 11-05-2018, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

In regards to securing a job, I wouldn't play for the Browns either.

But he did want to play for the Browns lol. He was all over social media talking about his visit in the days leading up to it.

The Dude · 11-05-2018, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by frydaddy

Have you seen much of his play the last couple of years? All I see is a guy who has a very limited route tree, whose ability to create separation has severely diminished. He was never a fast guy, but he's even slower now. He doesn't consistently win 50-50 balls anymore, which was one of his strengths in his prime.

This is a guy who hasn't been able to secure a job, despite so many teams around the league needing receivers. He's had a handful of workouts with some of those very same teams and nothing has come of it. Most guys in his position get jobs, or at least training camp invites on their reputation alone. The fact that he hasn't is, to me, very telling.

He openly stated he wasn’t signing with anyone who isn’t going to be a legitimate contender.

frydaddy · 11-05-2018, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

He openly stated he wasn’t signing with anyone who isn’t going to be a legitimate contender.

After months went by, yep. Before that he was taking any visits he could lineup.

No one is going to change my mind about him being washed up. The only thing that can do that is him proving me wrong. I've seen him play, I've had him on my fantasy teams, I know how far he's fallen. He's a shadow of his former self and I just don't feel like we need him here.

TheOak · 11-06-2018, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by frydaddy

Have you seen much of his play the last couple of years? All I see is a guy who has a very limited route tree, whose ability to create separation has severely diminished. He was never a fast guy, but he's even slower now. He doesn't consistently win 50-50 balls anymore, which was one of his strengths in his prime.

This is a guy who hasn't been able to secure a job, despite so many teams around the league needing receivers. He's had a handful of workouts with some of those very same teams and nothing has come of it. Most guys in his position get jobs, or at least training camp invites on their reputation alone. The fact that he hasn't is, to me, very telling.

Something to consider and assuming all of that is true.. Is he an upgrade at a present position or does he provide depth at a shallow position? If so then you would be doing your self an injustice to not try and reach a team favorable deal.

This is entirely a 'this is our year and could he make us better now' choice; which requires a different approach than 'how do we get better in the future' choice.

spkb25 · 11-05-2018, 07:30 PM

He could do well for us down the stretch. Meredith looks done

11-05-2018, 08:08 PM	#1
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,964 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Dez Bryant coming for a workout Originally Posted by rezburna I feel like it was more of the QB he was playing with. Dak Prescott is a very pedestrian QB. You'll get no argument from me on your assessment of Dak. But I look at a guy like DeAndre Hopkins, who had complete and utter garbage QB's for years, and was routinely double covered because he was the only legitimate threat on the field. He still put up great numbers year after year. I know Dez is older, but his decline started when he should have still been in his prime. I'm not saying I won't root for him if he is signed, but I personally think he's done. rezburna likes this.

11-05-2018, 10:47 PM	#2
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Dez Bryant coming for a workout Originally Posted by rezburna I feel like it was more of the QB he was playing with. Dak Prescott is a very pedestrian QB. It took less than a season for Prescott to fade away K Major likes this.

11-05-2018, 07:59 PM	#3
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Dez Bryant coming for a workout Originally Posted by frydaddy Have you seen much of his play the last couple of years? All I see is a guy who has a very limited route tree, whose ability to create separation has severely diminished. He was never a fast guy, but he's even slower now. He doesn't consistently win 50-50 balls anymore, which was one of his strengths in his prime. This is a guy who hasn't been able to secure a job, despite so many teams around the league needing receivers. He's had a handful of workouts with some of those very same teams and nothing has come of it. Most guys in his position get jobs, or at least training camp invites on their reputation alone. The fact that he hasn't is, to me, very telling. I won’t dispute his diminished abilities. I didn’t pay much attention to him in recent years. He has had offers though. I know the Ravens offered him something in the ball park of 3 years/$21 million and he turned it down. He’s looking for a one-year deal and at this point probably just waiting for a contender. RockyMountainSaint likes this.

11-05-2018, 08:14 PM	#4
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,964 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Dez Bryant coming for a workout Originally Posted by ChrisXVI I won’t dispute his diminished abilities. I didn’t pay much attention to him in recent years. He has had offers though. I know the Ravens offered him something in the ball park of 3 years/$21 million and he turned it down. He’s looking for a one-year deal and at this point probably just waiting for a contender. You're right, I forgot about the offer from the ravens. But he also flew to Cleveland practically begging for a job and walked away with nothing. He made it pretty clear he wanted to sign with them, and they need all the help they can get. ChrisXVI likes this.

11-05-2018, 08:18 PM	#5
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,036 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Dez Bryant coming for a workout Originally Posted by frydaddy Have you seen much of his play the last couple of years? All I see is a guy who has a very limited route tree, whose ability to create separation has severely diminished. He was never a fast guy, but he's even slower now. He doesn't consistently win 50-50 balls anymore, which was one of his strengths in his prime. This is a guy who hasn't been able to secure a job, despite so many teams around the league needing receivers. He's had a handful of workouts with some of those very same teams and nothing has come of it. Most guys in his position get jobs, or at least training camp invites on their reputation alone. The fact that he hasn't is, to me, very telling. All I see is an incredible talent who's production dropped as soon as Romo left the building. In regards to securing a job, I wouldn't play for the Browns either. But seriously - it sounds like Dez was waiting for the right opportunity, not just money. And who knows, maybe Sean asked him to hang on a few weeks... RockyMountainSaint likes this.

11-05-2018, 08:21 PM	#6
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,964 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Dez Bryant coming for a workout Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 In regards to securing a job, I wouldn't play for the Browns either. But he did want to play for the Browns lol. He was all over social media talking about his visit in the days leading up to it.

11-05-2018, 09:30 PM	#7
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: Dez Bryant coming for a workout Originally Posted by frydaddy Have you seen much of his play the last couple of years? All I see is a guy who has a very limited route tree, whose ability to create separation has severely diminished. He was never a fast guy, but he's even slower now. He doesn't consistently win 50-50 balls anymore, which was one of his strengths in his prime. This is a guy who hasn't been able to secure a job, despite so many teams around the league needing receivers. He's had a handful of workouts with some of those very same teams and nothing has come of it. Most guys in his position get jobs, or at least training camp invites on their reputation alone. The fact that he hasn't is, to me, very telling. He openly stated he wasn’t signing with anyone who isn’t going to be a legitimate contender. saintsfan1976 likes this.
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11-05-2018, 09:47 PM	#8
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,964 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Dez Bryant coming for a workout Originally Posted by The Dude He openly stated he wasn’t signing with anyone who isn’t going to be a legitimate contender. After months went by, yep. Before that he was taking any visits he could lineup. No one is going to change my mind about him being washed up. The only thing that can do that is him proving me wrong. I've seen him play, I've had him on my fantasy teams, I know how far he's fallen. He's a shadow of his former self and I just don't feel like we need him here. jnormand likes this.

11-06-2018, 06:34 AM	#9
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,050	Re: Dez Bryant coming for a workout Originally Posted by frydaddy Have you seen much of his play the last couple of years? All I see is a guy who has a very limited route tree, whose ability to create separation has severely diminished. He was never a fast guy, but he's even slower now. He doesn't consistently win 50-50 balls anymore, which was one of his strengths in his prime. This is a guy who hasn't been able to secure a job, despite so many teams around the league needing receivers. He's had a handful of workouts with some of those very same teams and nothing has come of it. Most guys in his position get jobs, or at least training camp invites on their reputation alone. The fact that he hasn't is, to me, very telling. Something to consider and assuming all of that is true.. Is he an upgrade at a present position or does he provide depth at a shallow position? If so then you would be doing your self an injustice to not try and reach a team favorable deal. This is entirely a 'this is our year and could he make us better now' choice; which requires a different approach than 'how do we get better in the future' choice.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Dez Bryant coming for a workout He could do well for us down the stretch. Meredith looks done RockyMountainSaint, Papa Voodoo and Rell&Gold like this.

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