Prisco: Will the next star QB please stand up?(AB included)

WhoDat · 06-03-2005, 09:39 AM

Wait, AB was bunched in with a number of young (and in Losman's case essentially Rookie) QBs with little experience who need to mature...

I don't see the problem. AB fits the mold perfectly. I hope he makes me eat my words, but at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if AB was compared to 2nd and 3rd year QBs in his 10th year. The light just isn't on yet - and considering most QBs play with 100 watt bulbs and he's got a 60 watt bulb - that dimmer switch needs to be wide open for him to compete.

mayoj · 06-03-2005, 10:01 AM

So what the last two posts were getting at collectively is that AB is in a class all his own??

SaintFanInATLHELL · 06-03-2005, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat

Well Brooks better step it up. 4 years of inconsistency, 4 years of calling himself great, 4 years without a playoff appearance, one PB as an alternate after other QBs backed out, and a large cap number next year. Time is running out fast.

I have to co-sign on this one. Actually I think time has already runout. The way I see is that short of this team getting to the NCF championship on Brooks' and Deuce's backs, the Saints are going to ask Brooks to restructure his contract for cap relief next offseason. But Brooks thinking that he's all world will refuse to do it. Then he'll become trade bait or a June 1st cap casualty.

The offense is going to have to be efficient and consistent this season. The goal should be on TD per quarter every quarter. But that means that the offense will have to cut down on the turnovers, penalties, and mistakes.

SFIAH

BooBirdSaint · 06-03-2005, 12:22 PM

Best way to improve AB's stats... Give the ball to Duce on every down.

FireVenturi · 06-03-2005, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Hard to give credit to a guy who posts a 60 something passer rating in 11 out of 16 quarters in those 4 wins. But in case you missed it:

His only good game was the last one against Carolina, but he played so well I guess that could be counted as a rebound. Hope that carries over. He gets a chance to repeat the effort right out the gate.

I gave him credit for the time he played WELL and we won. No QB should get credit for just being there and the team wins.

Or just being there and they lose..........devil's advocate

spkb25 · 06-04-2005, 12:51 AM

I USE TO BE A HUGE SUPPORTER OF BROOKS. THEN HE MADE SOME COMMENTS HE SHOULDN'T HAVE. HIS TALENT IS WITHOUT QUESTION. HIS MENTAL CAPACITY IS LIKE THE BERMUDA TRIANGLE. THAT SAID OUT OF ALL THE GUYS MENTIONED I'LL TAKE ARRON. I DON'T THINK ARRON CAN EVER WIN GAMES BY HIMSELF. MATTER OF FACT NO QB CAN. THERE IS NOT ONE PLAYER ON THE FIELD THAT CAN DO THAT. MATTER OF FACT THERE IS NOT ONE GUY ON ONE SIDE OF THE BALL OR THE OTHER THAT CAN DO THAT. THIS IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE A TEAM GAME. BROOKS NEEDS TO IMPROVE. NO DOUBT. IT IS LIKE WATCHING A SEESAW AT TIMES. YOU KNOW IT COULD GET OVER THAT HUMP AND YOU ARE JUST BEGGING IT TO BUT SOMEHOW IT JUST SLUMPS DOWN AGAIN. BROOKS IS A GOOD QB SOMETIMES. THE SAHME IS HE COULD BE REALLY GOOD ALL THE TIME IF HE WANTED TOO. BUT THE REST OF THIS TEAM HAS THAT SAME PROBLEM OUTSIDE OF A FEW PLAYERS. THIS TEAM HAS THE ABILITY TO LET US SEE SOMETHING THIS SEASON. THEN AGAIN THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO LET US SEE THE SAME OL SHIITE. I LIKE BRROKS FOR THIS YEAR. IF HE CAN'T DO WHAT IS NEEDED OF HIM MAYBE NEXT YEAR MCPHERSON CAN. RIGHT NOW WE NEED ARRON. ANYONE WHO THINKS WE DON'T YOUR NUTS. OF COURSE WE DO. BUT WE COULD DO WITHOUT THE BACKWARD LOBB TO THE UNKNOWN SOLDIER.

jnormand · 06-04-2005, 04:55 AM

I agree Spkb. The most frustrating thing about AB is that he IS so so inconsistent. If a QB stinks then you never expect him to do well and if he does you give him props, but you never EXPECT that he will continue to shine. If a QB is great and he has a bad game, then you let it go because you KNOW he will be fine the next game. In AB's case, he has a great game and gets your hopes up, then destroys your hopes the next game. Then when you have given up on the guy, he comes back and has another great game or two. AB is a roller coaster, but so are the Saints. Right now the Saints need AB to step up and be the QB that he can be. The Saints need to step up and be the team they can be.

Everyone can speculate on how the Saints will do, how AB will do, and if the D will improve. The entire team needs to show the fans, the state, and the NFL that it can be a real contender.

Who knows, maybe because AB may have to re-structure his contract after this season if he puts up his normal numbers, he may really take things serious and get it done on the field. Maybe he will be a great QB this year. Maybe the Saints will go to the playoffs. I think AB will have a good (not spectacular) season and the Saints will have a legitimate shot at the playoffs. Ofcourse, thats just speculation....

WhoDat · 06-04-2005, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

I DON'T THINK ARRON CAN EVER WIN GAMES BY HIMSELF. MATTER OF FACT NO QB CAN. THERE IS NOT ONE PLAYER ON THE FIELD THAT CAN DO THAT. MATTER OF FACT THERE IS NOT ONE GUY ON ONE SIDE OF THE BALL OR THE OTHER THAT CAN DO THAT.

Mike Vick

spkb25 · 06-04-2005, 12:04 PM

completely not true whodat. put him on cleveland last year and they are still horrible. but i do understand your point and he may be the closest thing to it on one side of the ball. i remember when he was in college and they played florida state for the national championship and he did nearly win that thing by himself. then it just looked like in the 4rth quarter he had no energy left. i don't think i have ever seen a one man performance like that in my life.

i still do not think he is a good qb though. great athlete but as of now he isnt a good qb. as he gets older if he doesnt become more of a passer he won't last because he will loose a step or two over time.

WhoDat · 06-04-2005, 12:55 PM

I never said he was a great QB - but I have seen Vick win games on his own in the NFL. I've watched him rush for 100+ yards and score twice and win games that way... on more than one occassion.

06-03-2005, 09:39 AM	#11
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Wait, AB was bunched in with a number of young (and in Losman's case essentially Rookie) QBs with little experience who need to mature... I don't see the problem. AB fits the mold perfectly. I hope he makes me eat my words, but at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if AB was compared to 2nd and 3rd year QBs in his 10th year. The light just isn't on yet - and considering most QBs play with 100 watt bulbs and he's got a 60 watt bulb - that dimmer switch needs to be wide open for him to compete.
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06-03-2005, 10:27 AM	#13
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Originally Posted by WhoDat Well Brooks better step it up. 4 years of inconsistency, 4 years of calling himself great, 4 years without a playoff appearance, one PB as an alternate after other QBs backed out, and a large cap number next year. Time is running out fast. I have to co-sign on this one. Actually I think time has already runout. The way I see is that short of this team getting to the NCF championship on Brooks' and Deuce's backs, the Saints are going to ask Brooks to restructure his contract for cap relief next offseason. But Brooks thinking that he's all world will refuse to do it. Then he'll become trade bait or a June 1st cap casualty. The offense is going to have to be efficient and consistent this season. The goal should be on TD per quarter every quarter. But that means that the offense will have to cut down on the turnovers, penalties, and mistakes. SFIAH

06-03-2005, 09:19 PM	#15
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Originally Posted by saintswhodi Hard to give credit to a guy who posts a 60 something passer rating in 11 out of 16 quarters in those 4 wins. But in case you missed it: His only good game was the last one against Carolina, but he played so well I guess that could be counted as a rebound. Hope that carries over. He gets a chance to repeat the effort right out the gate. I gave him credit for the time he played WELL and we won. No QB should get credit for just being there and the team wins. Or just being there and they lose..........devil's advocate

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WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Originally Posted by spkb25 I DON'T THINK ARRON CAN EVER WIN GAMES BY HIMSELF. MATTER OF FACT NO QB CAN. THERE IS NOT ONE PLAYER ON THE FIELD THAT CAN DO THAT. MATTER OF FACT THERE IS NOT ONE GUY ON ONE SIDE OF THE BALL OR THE OTHER THAT CAN DO THAT. Mike Vick
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WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	I never said he was a great QB - but I have seen Vick win games on his own in the NFL. I've watched him rush for 100+ yards and score twice and win games that way... on more than one occassion.
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06-03-2005, 10:01 AM	#12
mayoj 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 109	So what the last two posts were getting at collectively is that AB is in a class all his own??

06-03-2005, 12:22 PM	#14
BooBirdSaint 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 273	Best way to improve AB's stats... Give the ball to Duce on every down.

06-04-2005, 12:51 AM	#16
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	I USE TO BE A HUGE SUPPORTER OF BROOKS. THEN HE MADE SOME COMMENTS HE SHOULDN'T HAVE. HIS TALENT IS WITHOUT QUESTION. HIS MENTAL CAPACITY IS LIKE THE BERMUDA TRIANGLE. THAT SAID OUT OF ALL THE GUYS MENTIONED I'LL TAKE ARRON. I DON'T THINK ARRON CAN EVER WIN GAMES BY HIMSELF. MATTER OF FACT NO QB CAN. THERE IS NOT ONE PLAYER ON THE FIELD THAT CAN DO THAT. MATTER OF FACT THERE IS NOT ONE GUY ON ONE SIDE OF THE BALL OR THE OTHER THAT CAN DO THAT. THIS IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE A TEAM GAME. BROOKS NEEDS TO IMPROVE. NO DOUBT. IT IS LIKE WATCHING A SEESAW AT TIMES. YOU KNOW IT COULD GET OVER THAT HUMP AND YOU ARE JUST BEGGING IT TO BUT SOMEHOW IT JUST SLUMPS DOWN AGAIN. BROOKS IS A GOOD QB SOMETIMES. THE SAHME IS HE COULD BE REALLY GOOD ALL THE TIME IF HE WANTED TOO. BUT THE REST OF THIS TEAM HAS THAT SAME PROBLEM OUTSIDE OF A FEW PLAYERS. THIS TEAM HAS THE ABILITY TO LET US SEE SOMETHING THIS SEASON. THEN AGAIN THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO LET US SEE THE SAME OL SHIITE. I LIKE BRROKS FOR THIS YEAR. IF HE CAN'T DO WHAT IS NEEDED OF HIM MAYBE NEXT YEAR MCPHERSON CAN. RIGHT NOW WE NEED ARRON. ANYONE WHO THINKS WE DON'T YOUR NUTS. OF COURSE WE DO. BUT WE COULD DO WITHOUT THE BACKWARD LOBB TO THE UNKNOWN SOLDIER.

06-04-2005, 04:55 AM	#17
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,662	I agree Spkb. The most frustrating thing about AB is that he IS so so inconsistent. If a QB stinks then you never expect him to do well and if he does you give him props, but you never EXPECT that he will continue to shine. If a QB is great and he has a bad game, then you let it go because you KNOW he will be fine the next game. In AB's case, he has a great game and gets your hopes up, then destroys your hopes the next game. Then when you have given up on the guy, he comes back and has another great game or two. AB is a roller coaster, but so are the Saints. Right now the Saints need AB to step up and be the QB that he can be. The Saints need to step up and be the team they can be. Everyone can speculate on how the Saints will do, how AB will do, and if the D will improve. The entire team needs to show the fans, the state, and the NFL that it can be a real contender. Who knows, maybe because AB may have to re-structure his contract after this season if he puts up his normal numbers, he may really take things serious and get it done on the field. Maybe he will be a great QB this year. Maybe the Saints will go to the playoffs. I think AB will have a good (not spectacular) season and the Saints will have a legitimate shot at the playoffs. Ofcourse, thats just speculation....

06-04-2005, 12:04 PM	#19
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	completely not true whodat. put him on cleveland last year and they are still horrible. but i do understand your point and he may be the closest thing to it on one side of the ball. i remember when he was in college and they played florida state for the national championship and he did nearly win that thing by himself. then it just looked like in the 4rth quarter he had no energy left. i don't think i have ever seen a one man performance like that in my life. i still do not think he is a good qb though. great athlete but as of now he isnt a good qb. as he gets older if he doesnt become more of a passer he won't last because he will loose a step or two over time.