Prisco: Will the next star QB please stand up?(AB included)

saintswhodi · 06-04-2005, 02:20 PM

Elway did it too. 3 Superbowl appearances before the Broncos figured they should get him some help to actually win it.

spkb25 · 06-04-2005, 02:25 PM

exactly the point saintswhodi. great players need a team.

saintswhodi · 06-04-2005, 02:50 PM

The difference spk is great players elevated the play of the teams they DID have. Falcons without Vick, 4 wins. Falcons with Vick, division title and NFC champ game. Elway with only him, 3 superbowl appearances. Numerous playoff visits. Are we saying Brooks is a great player without a team? I will beg to differ hardily with that. Books has a pro bowl receiver, which Vick nor Elway had, and a pro bowl RB, which Elway didn't get until his FOURTH Superbowl trip, and Vick still doesn't have. Look at Favre's Superbowl team. Anybody stand out on O besides Favre? Great players elevate their team, mediocre ones cry about needing great players around them to get it done. SO basically our attempt is to turn Brooks into Trent Dilfer, and hope he doesn't screw it up. Give me a Vick or Elway or Favre any day over that. Great players who make the average ones around them better. I think with several different QBs who are currently in the league, the teams we have had would have been in the playoffs.

spkb25 · 06-04-2005, 03:15 PM

saintswhodi i think you miss understood my post. in no way am i defending brooks. i don't like his attitude. and i would not want mike vick as my qb. never, not and wouldn't. at least not now. brooks could be a much better qb then vick. matter of fact he is a much better qb then vick. well in terms of talent as a qb. not as an athlete, as a qb. but i don't think that brooks has the heart. i don't think he wants to be great. if he did he would be a top 5 qb in this league. but he lacks the mental aspect of the game. which is why he is always just ok. which is why on the field and in games he doesn't equate to what vick equates to. you are so right about them making their teams better and i don't see brooks doing that. no he ******* that his team sucks. he will not be our qb in 3 years. maybe not after this one. but this year if we want to make the playoffs you better hope he is. but contrary to what you and whodat said i am yet to see a player win a game by themselves. that is just my opinion. i respect that you disagree. oh and the falcons won 4 games without vick because the backups were just aweful. if they had had a solid backup they would have won more games. of course not as many as with vick but they would have won more then 4. but that is probably why he starts and the other guy is the backup. because you can win more with the starter.

blackwidows · 06-04-2005, 04:35 PM

Did Mcphearson sighn a contract yet. IF not haslett since he loves brooks may use mcphearson as trade bate. Thats a big fish too

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blackwidows 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 245	Did Mcphearson sighn a contract yet. IF not haslett since he loves brooks may use mcphearson as trade bate. Thats a big fish too
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06-04-2005, 02:25 PM	#22
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	exactly the point saintswhodi. great players need a team.

06-04-2005, 02:50 PM	#23
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	The difference spk is great players elevated the play of the teams they DID have. Falcons without Vick, 4 wins. Falcons with Vick, division title and NFC champ game. Elway with only him, 3 superbowl appearances. Numerous playoff visits. Are we saying Brooks is a great player without a team? I will beg to differ hardily with that. Books has a pro bowl receiver, which Vick nor Elway had, and a pro bowl RB, which Elway didn't get until his FOURTH Superbowl trip, and Vick still doesn't have. Look at Favre's Superbowl team. Anybody stand out on O besides Favre? Great players elevate their team, mediocre ones cry about needing great players around them to get it done. SO basically our attempt is to turn Brooks into Trent Dilfer, and hope he doesn't screw it up. Give me a Vick or Elway or Favre any day over that. Great players who make the average ones around them better. I think with several different QBs who are currently in the league, the teams we have had would have been in the playoffs.

06-04-2005, 03:15 PM	#24
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	saintswhodi i think you miss understood my post. in no way am i defending brooks. i don't like his attitude. and i would not want mike vick as my qb. never, not and wouldn't. at least not now. brooks could be a much better qb then vick. matter of fact he is a much better qb then vick. well in terms of talent as a qb. not as an athlete, as a qb. but i don't think that brooks has the heart. i don't think he wants to be great. if he did he would be a top 5 qb in this league. but he lacks the mental aspect of the game. which is why he is always just ok. which is why on the field and in games he doesn't equate to what vick equates to. you are so right about them making their teams better and i don't see brooks doing that. no he ******* that his team sucks. he will not be our qb in 3 years. maybe not after this one. but this year if we want to make the playoffs you better hope he is. but contrary to what you and whodat said i am yet to see a player win a game by themselves. that is just my opinion. i respect that you disagree. oh and the falcons won 4 games without vick because the backups were just aweful. if they had had a solid backup they would have won more games. of course not as many as with vick but they would have won more then 4. but that is probably why he starts and the other guy is the backup. because you can win more with the starter.