Worst rule in football won’t change until it affects a championship game

Budsdrinker · 12-18-2018, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by lumm0x

Love the rule. It emphasizes the importance of ball security in the red zone. As neugey said, the offense just has to break the plane so they have the luxury to be reckless with the ball near the goal line as once the plane is broken it's a done deal. I like that the defense has a chance to make a drive stopping play forcing a fumble into a touch back. I like that an element of ball security needs to punish carelessness on the part of offenses.

Payton got too cute, Lewis hopefully learned a valuable lesson and Carolina deserved the opportunity they got by taking advantage of our mental errors. The rule is fine and if it costs a team a game in the playoffs it's not a rule needing change. A team commits that error they deserve the outcome.

So if the offense loses possession on this part of the field and you are OK with it then why not make it the same rule on the rest of the field? Offense fumbles out of bounds, give it to the defense. Same thing right? It's a dumb rule if the defense doesn't have possession, they shouldn't be rewarded with the ball. You want to penalize the offense for fumbling in the red zone and thru the endzone, then move them back to the 20 but they retain possession.

WhoDat!656 · 12-18-2018, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

So if the offense loses possession on this part of the field and you are OK with it then why not make it the same rule on the rest of the field? Offense fumbles out of bounds, give it to the defense. Same thing right? It's a dumb rule if the defense doesn't have possession, they shouldn't be rewarded with the ball. You want to penalize the offense for fumbling in the red zone and thru the endzone, then move them back to the 20 but they retain possession.

Well, if you are going to use logic and reasoning...

WW_Who_Dat · 12-18-2018, 08:46 AM

My question is last night one of the sideline ref’s threw a spot marker on the 1 1/2 yard line where TLL step out of bounds before launching for the end zone. . If he was out of bounds at the you can’t fumble the ball in bounds.

Did they pick up that marker / over rule that sideline ref who has that responsibility or just blow it off?

Rsanders24 · 12-18-2018, 08:53 AM

TLL didn’t step out of bounds...he clearly fumbled while in bounds. I will say that it was close as to where the ball was when it crossed the pylon. They have a camera on top but it’s still subjective as to if it crossed the pylon in bounds.

SaintsBro · 12-18-2018, 09:46 AM

That was a colossal screw up by TommyLee there. He should have just wrapped up the ball and gone down in bounds, run off even more clock, kick the field goal, or else live to try again on 4th down. Based on the whole game, I had little to no doubt that our defense was going to be able to keep Carolina from marching down and scoring a touchdown, but when you leave it potentially with a field goal to tie, and NO POINTS, that was really incredibly stupid.

ScottF · 12-18-2018, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

That was a colossal screw up by TommyLee there. He should have just wrapped up the ball and gone down in bounds, run off even more clock, kick the field goal, or else live to try again on 4th down. Based on the whole game, I had little to no doubt that our defense was going to be able to keep Carolina from marching down and scoring a touchdown, but when you leave it potentially with a field goal to tie, and NO POINTS, that was really incredibly stupid.

Plus, the 20 yards changes everything.
Let's say he goes down at the 2, and we go on fourth and don't get it. Operating out of your endzone really limits the play call. Hindsight.

ScottF · 12-18-2018, 12:08 PM

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Euphoria · 12-18-2018, 12:09 PM

I don't blame TLL in that situation.

Your job is to put the ball in the end zone everytime you get it if you can. If he had scored no one would say boo about him reaching it over.

It happened and its over.

ScottF · 12-18-2018, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I don't blame TLL in that situation.

Your job is to put the ball in the end zone everytime you get it if you can. If he had scored no one would say boo about him reaching it over.

It happened and its over.

reminded me of Reggie always trying to do more bc he wasn't getting touches. Aggressive, but def not smart in that spot

K Major · 12-18-2018, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I don't blame TLL in that situation.

Your job is to put the ball in the end zone everytime you get it if you can. If he had scored no one would say boo about him reaching it over.

TommyLee has been a liability ever since camp. Nothing has changed. Extending the football like that was very careless on his part. Poor situational football but this was on Sean P play calling. Put the ball in the hands of your play makers.

Personally, I don't see why he was brought up from IR. He's a smaller version of Travis Cadet. Never been a fan of TLL but that's just me.

Saints defense bailed him out.

12-18-2018, 10:11 AM	#1
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Worst rule in football won’t change until it affects a championship game Originally Posted by lumm0x Love the rule. It emphasizes the importance of ball security in the red zone. As neugey said, the offense just has to break the plane so they have the luxury to be reckless with the ball near the goal line as once the plane is broken it's a done deal. I like that the defense has a chance to make a drive stopping play forcing a fumble into a touch back. I like that an element of ball security needs to punish carelessness on the part of offenses. Payton got too cute, Lewis hopefully learned a valuable lesson and Carolina deserved the opportunity they got by taking advantage of our mental errors. The rule is fine and if it costs a team a game in the playoffs it's not a rule needing change. A team commits that error they deserve the outcome. So if the offense loses possession on this part of the field and you are OK with it then why not make it the same rule on the rest of the field? Offense fumbles out of bounds, give it to the defense. Same thing right? It's a dumb rule if the defense doesn't have possession, they shouldn't be rewarded with the ball. You want to penalize the offense for fumbling in the red zone and thru the endzone, then move them back to the 20 but they retain possession. WhoDat!656 likes this.

12-18-2018, 11:43 AM	#2
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,085	Re: Worst rule in football won’t change until it affects a championship game Originally Posted by Budsdrinker So if the offense loses possession on this part of the field and you are OK with it then why not make it the same rule on the rest of the field? Offense fumbles out of bounds, give it to the defense. Same thing right? It's a dumb rule if the defense doesn't have possession, they shouldn't be rewarded with the ball. You want to penalize the offense for fumbling in the red zone and thru the endzone, then move them back to the 20 but they retain possession. Well, if you are going to use logic and reasoning...

12-18-2018, 08:46 AM	#3
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,275 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Worst rule in football won’t change until it affects a championship game My question is last night one of the sideline ref’s threw a spot marker on the 1 1/2 yard line where TLL step out of bounds before launching for the end zone. . If he was out of bounds at the you can’t fumble the ball in bounds. Did they pick up that marker / over rule that sideline ref who has that responsibility or just blow it off?

12-18-2018, 08:53 AM	#4
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,482	Re: Worst rule in football won’t change until it affects a championship game TLL didn’t step out of bounds...he clearly fumbled while in bounds. I will say that it was close as to where the ball was when it crossed the pylon. They have a camera on top but it’s still subjective as to if it crossed the pylon in bounds. Euphoria likes this.

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SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Worst rule in football won’t change until it affects a championship game That was a colossal screw up by TommyLee there. He should have just wrapped up the ball and gone down in bounds, run off even more clock, kick the field goal, or else live to try again on 4th down. Based on the whole game, I had little to no doubt that our defense was going to be able to keep Carolina from marching down and scoring a touchdown, but when you leave it potentially with a field goal to tie, and NO POINTS, that was really incredibly stupid. SaintFanInATLHELL, Rueben Mayes and K Major like this.

12-18-2018, 10:02 AM	#6
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Worst rule in football won’t change until it affects a championship game Originally Posted by SaintsBro That was a colossal screw up by TommyLee there. He should have just wrapped up the ball and gone down in bounds, run off even more clock, kick the field goal, or else live to try again on 4th down. Based on the whole game, I had little to no doubt that our defense was going to be able to keep Carolina from marching down and scoring a touchdown, but when you leave it potentially with a field goal to tie, and NO POINTS, that was really incredibly stupid. Plus, the 20 yards changes everything. Let's say he goes down at the 2, and we go on fourth and don't get it. Operating out of your endzone really limits the play call. Hindsight. SaintsBro and Rueben Mayes like this.

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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Worst rule in football won’t change until it affects a championship game I don't blame TLL in that situation. Your job is to put the ball in the end zone everytime you get it if you can. If he had scored no one would say boo about him reaching it over. It happened and its over. WhoDat!656 likes this.

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ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Worst rule in football won’t change until it affects a championship game Originally Posted by Euphoria I don't blame TLL in that situation. Your job is to put the ball in the end zone everytime you get it if you can. If he had scored no one would say boo about him reaching it over. It happened and its over. reminded me of Reggie always trying to do more bc he wasn't getting touches. Aggressive, but def not smart in that spot SaintsBro and Rueben Mayes like this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Worst rule in football won’t change until it affects a championship game Originally Posted by Euphoria I don't blame TLL in that situation. Your job is to put the ball in the end zone everytime you get it if you can. If he had scored no one would say boo about him reaching it over. TommyLee has been a liability ever since camp. Nothing has changed. Extending the football like that was very careless on his part. Poor situational football but this was on Sean P play calling. Put the ball in the hands of your play makers. Personally, I don't see why he was brought up from IR. He's a smaller version of Travis Cadet. Never been a fan of TLL but that's just me. Saints defense bailed him out.

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