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FireVenturi · 06-06-2005, 07:02 PM

Yea but DT's stop the run not DE's. Pass ruch will be very good, but we can't win if we don't stop the run!!!

CHACHING · 06-06-2005, 10:00 PM

True Dat FV,,,But I gotta feelin Sully And Leslie are gonne be monsters when the season starts...........remember....winning is contagious.......(holding a deep breath)

cajunsaint · 06-07-2005, 07:18 AM

Until they stop the run effectively they should not be considered the best line in the division much less the NFL, prove it on the field then the praise will come........................

saintswhodi · 06-07-2005, 10:22 AM

Until they stop the run effectively they should not be considered the best line in the division much less the NFL

Oy vay. It's contagious.

papz · 06-07-2005, 10:24 AM

Read people... DE DL DE DL. But I can see how an L can look like an E I guess. Just add a couple of lines here and there... and bam!

Euphoria · 06-07-2005, 10:26 AM

its that time of year when the hype begins

Tobias-Reiper · 06-07-2005, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by papz

You don't think he's that much better than Al Wallace?!?! The grade school teacher turned NFL player?!?! Al Wallace has 15 career NFL sacks in 6 plus seasons. Will Smith has 7.5 after playing part-time for 1 year. I think there's a big difference in talent level. I like Al Wallace... he's a pretty solid backup, but no where in the same level as what Smith brings to the table. Also the fact that Kris Jenkins and Buckner demand extra attention down in the trenches, it makes Wallace look better than he really is.

In 6 seasons, Tony Bryant has 20 career sacks. Looks like pretty good depth to me for a 4th/5th guy on the depth chart.

.. that's just stats, and 1 stat for that matter... how about stopping the run? Helping in pass coverage? Complementing the interior line?

... while Will Smith obviously has more talent than Wallace to play the position, that doesn't mean that right now he's playing the position any better than Al Wallace...

..just had to comeback to add a comment: I don't doubt that Will Smith will have a much better careeer than Wallace, or many other DE's for that matter...

papz · 06-07-2005, 05:27 PM

This has got to be a joke... right?

Complementing the interior line? We have an interior line?

Just because Wallace has 2 career interceptions in 7 seasons makes him better than Smith right now?

Smith is a pass rusher who was drafted to get to the quarterback. Why help in pass coverage? He's not a linebacker, corner, or safety. I don't believe we run any type of New England defensive schemes where one of our d-lineman drop back in coverage. Would you want Dwight Freeney or Simeon Rice drop back? I don't think so.

In part time play last year, Smith outplayed Wallace period. He's outplayed Wallace's best season career wise.

"I don't doubt that Will Smith will have a much better careeer than Wallace, or many other DE's for that matter..."

You say this yet you say he's no better than Al Wallace. Weird... this has to be a joke that went wrong.

Tobias-Reiper · 06-07-2005, 08:24 PM

wow...

... don't get over-excited there, dude...
... it's all good that you took the pass coverage to mean going after a WR.. what about a TE?
... and no mention of stopping the run???...

.. here, I'll make you feel better: Will Smith is a better pass rusher than Al Wallace...

papz · 06-07-2005, 09:08 PM

Over-excited? I think you are reading this the wrong way. I'm just giving you info that proves to you Al Wallace best season can't even compare to Smith's rookie season.

Since when do you see a defensive end covering a tightend? That's usually the safeties or one of the linebackers responsibility. I don't know what team's you have been following or what kind of coaching you are into... but I definately wouldn't want my defensive end covering a tightend. That's called a mismatch.

".. here, I'll make you feel better: Will Smith is a better pass rusher than Al Wallace..."

You should re-phrase it and say Will Smith is a better player period.

This is Wallace's career stats:
Year Team GP/GS T Solo Asst Sack PD FF FR INT Yds TD
1997 Philadelphia 1/0 1 0 1 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1998 Philadelphia 15/0 19 14 5 6.0 2 2 0 0 0 0
1999 Philadelphia Injured Reserve
2000 Chicago 0/0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2002 Carolina 16/4 35 22 13 3.0 0 1 2 0 0 1
2003 Carolina 16/2 38 25 13 5.0 2 0 1 2 58 0
2004 Carolina 16/0 30 22 8 1.0 0 2 1 0 0 0

Total 64/6 123 83 40 15.0 4 5 4 2 58 1

The guy's highest sack total ever is 6. The most tackles he's had in a year was 38. The guy has been cut 4 to 5 times and you are comparing him to our stud 1st round draft pick of a year ago. Come on TR, I don't mean to pick on you... but you seriously need to come up with something(ANYTHING AT ALL) to backup your statement of Wallace being better than Smith right now. I just don't see it.

06-07-2005, 12:02 PM	#17
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by papz You don't think he's that much better than Al Wallace?!?! The grade school teacher turned NFL player?!?! Al Wallace has 15 career NFL sacks in 6 plus seasons. Will Smith has 7.5 after playing part-time for 1 year. I think there's a big difference in talent level. I like Al Wallace... he's a pretty solid backup, but no where in the same level as what Smith brings to the table. Also the fact that Kris Jenkins and Buckner demand extra attention down in the trenches, it makes Wallace look better than he really is. In 6 seasons, Tony Bryant has 20 career sacks. Looks like pretty good depth to me for a 4th/5th guy on the depth chart. .. that's just stats, and 1 stat for that matter... how about stopping the run? Helping in pass coverage? Complementing the interior line? ... while Will Smith obviously has more talent than Wallace to play the position, that doesn't mean that right now he's playing the position any better than Al Wallace... ..just had to comeback to add a comment: I don't doubt that Will Smith will have a much better careeer than Wallace, or many other DE's for that matter...

06-06-2005, 07:02 PM	#11
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Yea but DT's stop the run not DE's. Pass ruch will be very good, but we can't win if we don't stop the run!!!

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06-06-2005, 10:00 PM	#12
CHACHING 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Golden State Posts: 830	True Dat FV,,,But I gotta feelin Sully And Leslie are gonne be monsters when the season starts...........remember....winning is contagious.......(holding a deep breath)

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cajunsaint Rookie Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Kaplan La. Posts: 13	Until they stop the run effectively they should not be considered the best line in the division much less the NFL, prove it on the field then the praise will come........................

06-07-2005, 10:22 AM	#14
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Until they stop the run effectively they should not be considered the best line in the division much less the NFL Oy vay. It's contagious.

06-07-2005, 10:24 AM	#15
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Read people... DE DL DE DL. But I can see how an L can look like an E I guess. Just add a couple of lines here and there... and bam!

06-07-2005, 10:26 AM	#16
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	its that time of year when the hype begins

06-07-2005, 05:27 PM	#18
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	This has got to be a joke... right? Complementing the interior line? We have an interior line? Just because Wallace has 2 career interceptions in 7 seasons makes him better than Smith right now? Smith is a pass rusher who was drafted to get to the quarterback. Why help in pass coverage? He's not a linebacker, corner, or safety. I don't believe we run any type of New England defensive schemes where one of our d-lineman drop back in coverage. Would you want Dwight Freeney or Simeon Rice drop back? I don't think so. In part time play last year, Smith outplayed Wallace period. He's outplayed Wallace's best season career wise. "I don't doubt that Will Smith will have a much better careeer than Wallace, or many other DE's for that matter..." You say this yet you say he's no better than Al Wallace. Weird... this has to be a joke that went wrong.

06-07-2005, 08:24 PM	#19
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	wow... ... don't get over-excited there, dude... ... it's all good that you took the pass coverage to mean going after a WR.. what about a TE? ... and no mention of stopping the run???... .. here, I'll make you feel better: Will Smith is a better pass rusher than Al Wallace...

06-07-2005, 09:08 PM	#20
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Over-excited? I think you are reading this the wrong way. I'm just giving you info that proves to you Al Wallace best season can't even compare to Smith's rookie season. Since when do you see a defensive end covering a tightend? That's usually the safeties or one of the linebackers responsibility. I don't know what team's you have been following or what kind of coaching you are into... but I definately wouldn't want my defensive end covering a tightend. That's called a mismatch. ".. here, I'll make you feel better: Will Smith is a better pass rusher than Al Wallace..." You should re-phrase it and say Will Smith is a better player period. This is Wallace's career stats: Year Team GP/GS T Solo Asst Sack PD FF FR INT Yds TD 1997 Philadelphia 1/0 1 0 1 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1998 Philadelphia 15/0 19 14 5 6.0 2 2 0 0 0 0 1999 Philadelphia Injured Reserve 2000 Chicago 0/0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2002 Carolina 16/4 35 22 13 3.0 0 1 2 0 0 1 2003 Carolina 16/2 38 25 13 5.0 2 0 1 2 58 0 2004 Carolina 16/0 30 22 8 1.0 0 2 1 0 0 0 Total 64/6 123 83 40 15.0 4 5 4 2 58 1 The guy's highest sack total ever is 6. The most tackles he's had in a year was 38. The guy has been cut 4 to 5 times and you are comparing him to our stud 1st round draft pick of a year ago. Come on TR, I don't mean to pick on you... but you seriously need to come up with something(ANYTHING AT ALL) to backup your statement of Wallace being better than Smith right now. I just don't see it.