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burningmetal 12-31-2018 09:55 AM

Re: QB Controversy
 
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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 831731)
How soon we forget the years when the offense had to score like a pinball machine because the defense couldn't protect a lead.

I haven't forgotten, my friend. Winning a game while needing to score 40 points is not the same as winning a game, scoring 12.

When you put up 40, you credit the offense. When you only score 12, you credit the defense if you win. It's not any more complicated than that.

burningmetal 12-31-2018 10:00 AM

Re: QB Controversy
 
Through the years, however, when Brees has had bad performances nobody has been allowed to say that he was bad. There's always been some weird, abstract analysis given to try to prove that he was somehow managing the game. Like as if he planned it that way.

Never made any sense to me.

WhoDat!656 12-31-2018 11:44 AM

Re: QB Controversy
 
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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 831734)
I haven't forgotten, my friend. Winning a game while needing to score 40 points is not the same as winning a game, scoring 12.

When you put up 40, you credit the offense. When you only score 12, you credit the defense if you win. It's not any more complicated than that.

If a team scores 40 points and loses, offense isn't the problem.

WhoDat!656 12-31-2018 11:45 AM

Re: QB Controversy
 
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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 831737)
Through the years, however, when Brees has had bad performances nobody has been allowed to say that he was bad. There's always been some weird, abstract analysis given to try to prove that he was somehow managing the game. Like as if he planned it that way.

Never made any sense to me.

You could probably count on both hands the number of games the Saints have lost because of Brees.

jeanpierre 12-31-2018 11:51 AM

Re: QB Controversy
 
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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 831605)
but wait, teddy did not have AK or the entire oline

just saying

Kyle Allen was missing talent on his side of the ball (including at least three offensive line on IR) and STILL outperformed Teddy Bridgewater having McCaffrey on just a couple of series...

burningmetal 12-31-2018 12:04 PM

Re: QB Controversy
 
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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 831748)
If a team scores 40 points and loses, offense isn't the problem.

.......?


Did you read what I said? If the offense scores 40, you credit them. If they score 12 and win, you credit the defense. That's what I said. In what way did I insinuate that scoring 40 and losing is the offense's fault?

It seems like you don't want to see a simple point for what it is.

spkb25 12-31-2018 12:07 PM

Re: QB Controversy
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 831751)
Kyle Allen was missing talent on his side of the ball (including at least three offensive line on IR) and STILL outperformed Teddy Bridgewater having McCaffrey on just a couple of series...

It is these type of arguments I was being satirical about with my post. Maybe you are too

spkb25 12-31-2018 12:11 PM

Re: QB Controversy
 
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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 831752)
.......?


Did you read what I said? If the offense scores 40, you credit them. If they score 12 and win, you credit the defense. That's what I said. In what way did I insinuate that scoring 40 and losing is the offense's fault?

It seems like you don't want to see a simple point for what it is.

I am so confused by his post to your post...it was literally like regurgitating what you had just said

burningmetal 12-31-2018 12:14 PM

Re: QB Controversy
 
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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 831749)
You could probably count on both hands the number of games the Saints have lost because of Brees.

I can definitely count more than that, that he cost the team. Not that any one player single handedly loses a game, but you get the point.

You're missing the main point, though, again. I'm not saying Brees sucks and should be immediately supplanted by Teddy Bridgewater. I'll leave you folks to argue about that, if you want to. It's the idea that Brees can do no wrong. Your comment that I originally responded to was case in point. That you would try to frame a 12 point output as a good job by the offense, simply because they won, makes no sense. If the defense doesn't show up, it's a loss. When another QB puts up 14 points and loses, he sucks, and somehow he is also responsible for the defense sucking.

There is no consistency there.

Thirty3 12-31-2018 01:16 PM

Re: QB Controversy
 
Seemed tome that just about every pass play Teddy was looking for MT till almost too late to hit anyone else. Coaches design or Teddy wanting in on record?


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