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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 How soon we forget the years when the offense had to score like a pinball machine because the defense couldn't protect a lead. I haven't forgotten, my friend. Winning a game while needing to score 40 ...

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Old 12-31-2018, 10:55 AM   #31
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Re: QB Controversy

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 View Post
How soon we forget the years when the offense had to score like a pinball machine because the defense couldn't protect a lead.
I haven't forgotten, my friend. Winning a game while needing to score 40 points is not the same as winning a game, scoring 12.

When you put up 40, you credit the offense. When you only score 12, you credit the defense if you win. It's not any more complicated than that.
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Old 12-31-2018, 11:00 AM   #32
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Through the years, however, when Brees has had bad performances nobody has been allowed to say that he was bad. There's always been some weird, abstract analysis given to try to prove that he was somehow managing the game. Like as if he planned it that way.

Never made any sense to me.
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Old 12-31-2018, 12:44 PM   #33
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I haven't forgotten, my friend. Winning a game while needing to score 40 points is not the same as winning a game, scoring 12.

When you put up 40, you credit the offense. When you only score 12, you credit the defense if you win. It's not any more complicated than that.
If a team scores 40 points and loses, offense isn't the problem.
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Old 12-31-2018, 12:45 PM   #34
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Through the years, however, when Brees has had bad performances nobody has been allowed to say that he was bad. There's always been some weird, abstract analysis given to try to prove that he was somehow managing the game. Like as if he planned it that way.

Never made any sense to me.
You could probably count on both hands the number of games the Saints have lost because of Brees.
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Old 12-31-2018, 12:51 PM   #35
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but wait, teddy did not have AK or the entire oline

just saying
Kyle Allen was missing talent on his side of the ball (including at least three offensive line on IR) and STILL outperformed Teddy Bridgewater having McCaffrey on just a couple of series...
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Old 12-31-2018, 01:04 PM   #36
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If a team scores 40 points and loses, offense isn't the problem.
.......?


Did you read what I said? If the offense scores 40, you credit them. If they score 12 and win, you credit the defense. That's what I said. In what way did I insinuate that scoring 40 and losing is the offense's fault?

It seems like you don't want to see a simple point for what it is.
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Old 12-31-2018, 01:07 PM   #37
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Kyle Allen was missing talent on his side of the ball (including at least three offensive line on IR) and STILL outperformed Teddy Bridgewater having McCaffrey on just a couple of series...
It is these type of arguments I was being satirical about with my post. Maybe you are too
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Old 12-31-2018, 01:11 PM   #38
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.......?


Did you read what I said? If the offense scores 40, you credit them. If they score 12 and win, you credit the defense. That's what I said. In what way did I insinuate that scoring 40 and losing is the offense's fault?

It seems like you don't want to see a simple point for what it is.
I am so confused by his post to your post...it was literally like regurgitating what you had just said
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Old 12-31-2018, 01:14 PM   #39
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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 View Post
You could probably count on both hands the number of games the Saints have lost because of Brees.
I can definitely count more than that, that he cost the team. Not that any one player single handedly loses a game, but you get the point.

You're missing the main point, though, again. I'm not saying Brees sucks and should be immediately supplanted by Teddy Bridgewater. I'll leave you folks to argue about that, if you want to. It's the idea that Brees can do no wrong. Your comment that I originally responded to was case in point. That you would try to frame a 12 point output as a good job by the offense, simply because they won, makes no sense. If the defense doesn't show up, it's a loss. When another QB puts up 14 points and loses, he sucks, and somehow he is also responsible for the defense sucking.

There is no consistency there.
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If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Old 12-31-2018, 02:16 PM   #40
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Seemed tome that just about every pass play Teddy was looking for MT till almost too late to hit anyone else. Coaches design or Teddy wanting in on record?
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