QB Controversy

burningmetal · 12-31-2018, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

How soon we forget the years when the offense had to score like a pinball machine because the defense couldn't protect a lead.

I haven't forgotten, my friend. Winning a game while needing to score 40 points is not the same as winning a game, scoring 12.

When you put up 40, you credit the offense. When you only score 12, you credit the defense if you win. It's not any more complicated than that.

burningmetal · 12-31-2018, 10:00 AM

Through the years, however, when Brees has had bad performances nobody has been allowed to say that he was bad. There's always been some weird, abstract analysis given to try to prove that he was somehow managing the game. Like as if he planned it that way.

Never made any sense to me.

WhoDat!656 · 12-31-2018, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I haven't forgotten, my friend. Winning a game while needing to score 40 points is not the same as winning a game, scoring 12.

When you put up 40, you credit the offense. When you only score 12, you credit the defense if you win. It's not any more complicated than that.

If a team scores 40 points and loses, offense isn't the problem.

WhoDat!656 · 12-31-2018, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Through the years, however, when Brees has had bad performances nobody has been allowed to say that he was bad. There's always been some weird, abstract analysis given to try to prove that he was somehow managing the game. Like as if he planned it that way.

Never made any sense to me.

You could probably count on both hands the number of games the Saints have lost because of Brees.

jeanpierre · 12-31-2018, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

but wait, teddy did not have AK or the entire oline

just saying

Kyle Allen was missing talent on his side of the ball (including at least three offensive line on IR) and STILL outperformed Teddy Bridgewater having McCaffrey on just a couple of series...

burningmetal · 12-31-2018, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

If a team scores 40 points and loses, offense isn't the problem.

.......?

Did you read what I said? If the offense scores 40, you credit them. If they score 12 and win, you credit the defense. That's what I said. In what way did I insinuate that scoring 40 and losing is the offense's fault?

It seems like you don't want to see a simple point for what it is.

spkb25 · 12-31-2018, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Kyle Allen was missing talent on his side of the ball (including at least three offensive line on IR) and STILL outperformed Teddy Bridgewater having McCaffrey on just a couple of series...

It is these type of arguments I was being satirical about with my post. Maybe you are too

spkb25 · 12-31-2018, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

.......?

Did you read what I said? If the offense scores 40, you credit them. If they score 12 and win, you credit the defense. That's what I said. In what way did I insinuate that scoring 40 and losing is the offense's fault?

It seems like you don't want to see a simple point for what it is.

I am so confused by his post to your post...it was literally like regurgitating what you had just said

burningmetal · 12-31-2018, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

You could probably count on both hands the number of games the Saints have lost because of Brees.

I can definitely count more than that, that he cost the team. Not that any one player single handedly loses a game, but you get the point.

You're missing the main point, though, again. I'm not saying Brees sucks and should be immediately supplanted by Teddy Bridgewater. I'll leave you folks to argue about that, if you want to. It's the idea that Brees can do no wrong. Your comment that I originally responded to was case in point. That you would try to frame a 12 point output as a good job by the offense, simply because they won, makes no sense. If the defense doesn't show up, it's a loss. When another QB puts up 14 points and loses, he sucks, and somehow he is also responsible for the defense sucking.

There is no consistency there.

Thirty3 · 12-31-2018, 01:16 PM

Seemed tome that just about every pass play Teddy was looking for MT till almost too late to hit anyone else. Coaches design or Teddy wanting in on record?

12-31-2018, 09:55 AM	#31
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: QB Controversy Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 How soon we forget the years when the offense had to score like a pinball machine because the defense couldn't protect a lead. I haven't forgotten, my friend. Winning a game while needing to score 40 points is not the same as winning a game, scoring 12. When you put up 40, you credit the offense. When you only score 12, you credit the defense if you win. It's not any more complicated than that.

12-31-2018, 10:00 AM	#32
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: QB Controversy Through the years, however, when Brees has had bad performances nobody has been allowed to say that he was bad. There's always been some weird, abstract analysis given to try to prove that he was somehow managing the game. Like as if he planned it that way. Never made any sense to me.

12-31-2018, 11:44 AM	#33
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,036	Re: QB Controversy Originally Posted by burningmetal I haven't forgotten, my friend. Winning a game while needing to score 40 points is not the same as winning a game, scoring 12. When you put up 40, you credit the offense. When you only score 12, you credit the defense if you win. It's not any more complicated than that. If a team scores 40 points and loses, offense isn't the problem.

12-31-2018, 11:45 AM	#34
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,036	Re: QB Controversy Originally Posted by burningmetal Through the years, however, when Brees has had bad performances nobody has been allowed to say that he was bad. There's always been some weird, abstract analysis given to try to prove that he was somehow managing the game. Like as if he planned it that way. Never made any sense to me. You could probably count on both hands the number of games the Saints have lost because of Brees.

12-31-2018, 11:51 AM	#35
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: QB Controversy Originally Posted by spkb25 but wait, teddy did not have AK or the entire oline just saying Kyle Allen was missing talent on his side of the ball (including at least three offensive line on IR) and STILL outperformed Teddy Bridgewater having McCaffrey on just a couple of series...

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12-31-2018, 12:04 PM	#36
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: QB Controversy Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 If a team scores 40 points and loses, offense isn't the problem. .......? Did you read what I said? If the offense scores 40, you credit them. If they score 12 and win, you credit the defense. That's what I said. In what way did I insinuate that scoring 40 and losing is the offense's fault? It seems like you don't want to see a simple point for what it is.

12-31-2018, 12:07 PM	#37
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,093	Re: QB Controversy Originally Posted by jeanpierre Kyle Allen was missing talent on his side of the ball (including at least three offensive line on IR) and STILL outperformed Teddy Bridgewater having McCaffrey on just a couple of series... It is these type of arguments I was being satirical about with my post. Maybe you are too

12-31-2018, 12:11 PM	#38
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,093	Re: QB Controversy Originally Posted by burningmetal .......? Did you read what I said? If the offense scores 40, you credit them. If they score 12 and win, you credit the defense. That's what I said. In what way did I insinuate that scoring 40 and losing is the offense's fault? It seems like you don't want to see a simple point for what it is. I am so confused by his post to your post...it was literally like regurgitating what you had just said

12-31-2018, 12:14 PM	#39
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: QB Controversy Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 You could probably count on both hands the number of games the Saints have lost because of Brees. I can definitely count more than that, that he cost the team. Not that any one player single handedly loses a game, but you get the point. You're missing the main point, though, again. I'm not saying Brees sucks and should be immediately supplanted by Teddy Bridgewater. I'll leave you folks to argue about that, if you want to. It's the idea that Brees can do no wrong. Your comment that I originally responded to was case in point. That you would try to frame a 12 point output as a good job by the offense, simply because they won, makes no sense. If the defense doesn't show up, it's a loss. When another QB puts up 14 points and loses, he sucks, and somehow he is also responsible for the defense sucking. There is no consistency there. spkb25 likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

12-31-2018, 01:16 PM	#40
Thirty3 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 1,255	Re: QB Controversy Seemed tome that just about every pass play Teddy was looking for MT till almost too late to hit anyone else. Coaches design or Teddy wanting in on record? spkb25 likes this.
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