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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Danno I'm pretty sure on every play there are 11 assignments with multiple adjustments on the fly. One bad play can cost dearly, but may be a result of several different mistakes or a key mistake by ...

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Old 01-01-2019, 05:33 PM   #51
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Re: QB Controversy

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I'm pretty sure on every play there are 11 assignments with multiple adjustments on the fly. One bad play can cost dearly, but may be a result of several different mistakes or a key mistake by someone you and I aren't aware of.

Also no one considers the play that would have resulted in an offensive TD that didn't work because someone else didn't do their job correctly. Only the coaches know exactly what went right, and what went wrong on every play on both sides of the ball.

I doubt one player is ever the sole reason a game is won or lost.
Danno, if you're talking to me, I'll refer you to my post directly before this one, on the previous page.

Put simply, I never said it was one guy's fault, and made a point of making that clear. But your QB has the highest responsibility to get everything in order, and to not force plays that aren't there. He has forced a lot of throws in his career that have led to some awful mistakes.

That doesn't mean he isn't elite. That's a separate discussion. I'm speaking only to the unwillingness of his fan base to ever admit something IS his fault, or even that he is largely responsible for a loss.
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If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Old 01-01-2019, 11:35 PM   #52
 
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Old 01-02-2019, 12:02 AM   #53
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Old 01-02-2019, 06:57 AM   #54
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If you weren't quite so busy being an egotistical smart mouth, you would have read the very next sentence of my post, and might have had just a shred of perspective to be able to respond to me appropriately.

I said "not that any one player single handedly loses a game". That means games where he just made a ton of mistakes that put the team at a massive disadvantage. It's well understood by myself, and anyone else who knows football, that there are other factors that go into it, and it's never quite as simple as just saying it's all one guy's fault.

However, when you are one of the highest paid players in the sport, for the very reason that you are supposed to be smarter than other QB's, and be able to minimize mistakes when other things are going wrong, you can't just go out and lay an egg.

But the thing that always bothered me, again, is not about the fact that he had bad games. Those happen sometimes. It's the fact that you can never criticize him around here, without people like you coming to his rescue to slobber on him and elevate him to some god-like status. It's pathetic.

You same people who defend Brees to the death have NO PROBLEM, whatsoever, blaming other players, and saying how bad a QB sucks if he isn't Drew Brees. Other QB's don't get the excuse of "well, if they blocked better" or "maybe the routes were bad".

You can't just take a simple point for what it is. You have to go straight into comparing Brees to other QB's, to remind me that he's better than them. I DID NOT say that he was not better than most. That's not the point, AT ALL. Can I make that more clear? All I'm saying is be willing to say when he has a bad game. Some of you refuse to do that, and it's intellectually dishonest, as well as just plain annoying.
Of course he's had bad games, but the member to whom you replied simply said he could count the number of those bad games on less than two hands.
You replied that you could count more than that. I think you are mistaken and wanted to know which games those were if greater than ten. Could it be that you are more critical of Brees than he deserves? Or are the majority of other wrong, as you suggest?
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Danno, if you're talking to me, I'll refer you to my post directly before this one, on the previous page.

Put simply, I never said it was one guy's fault, and made a point of making that clear. But your QB has the highest responsibility to get everything in order, and to not force plays that aren't there. He has forced a lot of throws in his career that have led to some awful mistakes.

That doesn't mean he isn't elite. That's a separate discussion. I'm speaking only to the unwillingness of his fan base to ever admit something IS his fault, or even that he is largely responsible for a loss.
Once again, the original post by the member to whom you replied simply said he could count the number of games that Brees had cost the Saints a win on less than two hands. He never denied that losing some games was Brees' fault or that he wasn't largely responsible for loses. All he said was that those instances probably numbered less than ten.
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Is this really a thing??
What a joke!

We're talking stats from one meaningless game.
Now all of a sudden TB is better thsn our future HOF quarterback. LOL Ok
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Is this really a thing??
What a joke!

We're talking stats from one meaningless game.
Now all of a sudden TB is better thsn our future HOF quarterback. LOL Ok
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my original post was absolutely meant to be satirical.
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Old 01-02-2019, 10:33 AM   #58
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my original post was absolutely meant to be satirical.
Thanks for xlearing that up!
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Is this really a thing??
What a joke!

We're talking stats from one meaningless game.
Now all of a sudden TB is better thsn our future HOF quarterback. LOL Ok
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I knew it was too; sometimes I can't resist!
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