2019 Saints NFL Free Agency

ChrisXVI · 02-23-2019, 05:14 PM

Sean Payton has openly said that the Saints intended to draft DT Danny Shelton back in the 2015 draft but he was snatched up one pick before us. I wonder if we get him this time around and let Tyeler Davison walk?

K Major · 02-23-2019, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Sean Payton has openly said that the Saints intended to draft DT Danny Shelton back in the 2015 draft but he was snatched up one pick before us. I wonder if we get him this time around and let Tyeler Davison walk?

I certainly would.

Danny has become very good against the run and is a definite upgrade over Davison.

jeanpierre · 02-23-2019, 07:59 PM

jeanpierre · 02-23-2019, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Sean Payton has openly said that the Saints intended to draft DT Danny Shelton back in the 2015 draft but he was snatched up one pick before us. I wonder if we get him this time around and let Tyeler Davison walk?

Realistically, do we have the cap room? McCoy was rumoured to be interested in a one-year win with Drew now deal - who's also got to be paid'; This is another whole level of compensation...

We still have @CantGuardMike's extension coming up. And we still need help on the offensive line, tight end, defensive line, underneath wide receiver, and running back...

ChrisXVI · 02-23-2019, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Realistically, do we have the cap room? McCoy was rumoured to be interested in a one-year win with Drew now deal - who's also got to be paid'; This is another whole level of compensation...

We still have @CantGuardMike's extension coming up. And we still need help on the offensive line, tight end, defensive line, underneath wide receiver, and running back...

NT contracts are kind of hard to gauge. Last year we saw Star Lotulelei sign with the Bills for $10mil/yr and Dontari Poe sign with the Panthers for $9.3mil/yr.

Likewise, NT’s like Eddie Goldman, Brandon Williams, Damon Harrison and Linval Joseph all make $10mil/yr. After all these guys it’s a steep drop off to guys making $5mil.

If Danny Shelton sees himself as a 5yr/$50 million type of guy then yeah- we have to pass.

K Major · 02-23-2019, 09:08 PM

The Saints have roughly 12 mil. (per over the cap) in cap space right now and once the new league year starts the new cap adjustments will kick in and they will have more cap space.

DT
TE
OL (depth)
Safety

Question marks .. CB (PJ Williams), PRob is a year older coming off injury, WR (Dez, Meredith, Tre), Davison and Andrus Peat (reasonable contract).

Draft the BPA with the 2nd round pick.

jeanpierre · 02-24-2019, 01:53 AM

Regarding some key Saints Free Agents...

P.J. is not under contract so the only question mark with him is if he's worth bringing back. Not sure I'm rushing to bring him back. See what the market sets his value and maybe bring him back at end of Free Agency...

Meredith's 2019 cap number of $6,456,250; now, whether cut Pre/Post Jun 1 he's $2,750,000 in dead money and $3,706,250 in savings; cut him 'cause we've got better upside in Tre'quan and Kirkwood...

Dez is not under contract. He's a slow, unreliable old x-receiver at best. he's not tearing the roof off the top of defenses so I don't understand spending valuable cap space to bring him back...

Tyeler Davison is a better NT than folks want to give credit & was the point of attack for the No.1 rated rush defense. The line for him is around four years, annual cap number of 7.5 mil, 40% guaranteed...

Andrus Peat is a real tough call; Peat is way better than PFF's grading; also, remember that Peat plays hurt, latest was a week after surgery to put pins in his punch hand - something Mr. Glass would never do...

With Peat, re-work contract now to lower cap number, 70% guaranteed as incentive. But the real problem still with Peat is he's a natural, better LT than LG - this is part of the conundrum Mr. Glass creates...

We may actually see Peat's contract re-worked and then see him traded; after Ramczyk, I like Peat and Unger, but one or both may be surprises soon if their cap numbers are not re-worked...

Oh, in the by the way department, @CantGuardMike has got to be paid now before we're looking at a Cap-strangling Julio contract...

ChrisXVI · 02-24-2019, 09:04 AM

Regarding Peat’s contract, look no further than Larry Warford for how it should look. Warford signed for 4yrs/$34mil ($8.5mil average) and his cap hit in the first year was $3.8mil.

If we keep Peat at his 5th year option salary of $9.625mil (and he certainly is more valuable than Warford having half his reps at LT) then we’re looking at something like 4yrs/$38.5mil. Structure it similarly to Warford’s where the first year cap hit is around $4mil and that will free up $5mil.

lee909 · 02-24-2019, 01:41 PM

Letting Peat get elsewhere is a massive mistake

Hard for him to get into a good rhythm when the guy next to him is chopping and changing so often

jeanpierre · 02-24-2019, 03:07 PM

02-23-2019, 05:14 PM	#221
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency Sean Payton has openly said that the Saints intended to draft DT Danny Shelton back in the 2015 draft but he was snatched up one pick before us. I wonder if we get him this time around and let Tyeler Davison walk? saintsfan1976, K Major and MarchingOn like this.

02-23-2019, 06:38 PM	#222
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Sean Payton has openly said that the Saints intended to draft DT Danny Shelton back in the 2015 draft but he was snatched up one pick before us. I wonder if we get him this time around and let Tyeler Davison walk? I certainly would. Danny has become very good against the run and is a definite upgrade over Davison. saintsfan1976 and ChrisXVI like this.

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02-23-2019, 08:03 PM	#224
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Sean Payton has openly said that the Saints intended to draft DT Danny Shelton back in the 2015 draft but he was snatched up one pick before us. I wonder if we get him this time around and let Tyeler Davison walk? Realistically, do we have the cap room? McCoy was rumoured to be interested in a one-year win with Drew now deal - who's also got to be paid'; This is another whole level of compensation... We still have @CantGuardMike's extension coming up. And we still need help on the offensive line, tight end, defensive line, underneath wide receiver, and running back... jnormand likes this.

02-23-2019, 08:49 PM	#225
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency Originally Posted by jeanpierre Realistically, do we have the cap room? McCoy was rumoured to be interested in a one-year win with Drew now deal - who's also got to be paid'; This is another whole level of compensation... We still have @CantGuardMike's extension coming up. And we still need help on the offensive line, tight end, defensive line, underneath wide receiver, and running back... NT contracts are kind of hard to gauge. Last year we saw Star Lotulelei sign with the Bills for $10mil/yr and Dontari Poe sign with the Panthers for $9.3mil/yr. Likewise, NT’s like Eddie Goldman, Brandon Williams, Damon Harrison and Linval Joseph all make $10mil/yr. After all these guys it’s a steep drop off to guys making $5mil. If Danny Shelton sees himself as a 5yr/$50 million type of guy then yeah- we have to pass. jeanpierre likes this.

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02-23-2019, 09:08 PM	#226
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency The Saints have roughly 12 mil. (per over the cap) in cap space right now and once the new league year starts the new cap adjustments will kick in and they will have more cap space. DT TE OL (depth) Safety Question marks .. CB (PJ Williams), PRob is a year older coming off injury, WR (Dez, Meredith, Tre), Davison and Andrus Peat (reasonable contract). Draft the BPA with the 2nd round pick. saintsfan1976 and MarchingOn like this.

02-24-2019, 01:53 AM	#227
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency Regarding some key Saints Free Agents... P.J. is not under contract so the only question mark with him is if he's worth bringing back. Not sure I'm rushing to bring him back. See what the market sets his value and maybe bring him back at end of Free Agency... Meredith's 2019 cap number of $6,456,250; now, whether cut Pre/Post Jun 1 he's $2,750,000 in dead money and $3,706,250 in savings; cut him 'cause we've got better upside in Tre'quan and Kirkwood... Dez is not under contract. He's a slow, unreliable old x-receiver at best. he's not tearing the roof off the top of defenses so I don't understand spending valuable cap space to bring him back... Tyeler Davison is a better NT than folks want to give credit & was the point of attack for the No.1 rated rush defense. The line for him is around four years, annual cap number of 7.5 mil, 40% guaranteed... Andrus Peat is a real tough call; Peat is way better than PFF's grading; also, remember that Peat plays hurt, latest was a week after surgery to put pins in his punch hand - something Mr. Glass would never do... With Peat, re-work contract now to lower cap number, 70% guaranteed as incentive. But the real problem still with Peat is he's a natural, better LT than LG - this is part of the conundrum Mr. Glass creates... We may actually see Peat's contract re-worked and then see him traded; after Ramczyk, I like Peat and Unger, but one or both may be surprises soon if their cap numbers are not re-worked... Oh, in the by the way department, @CantGuardMike has got to be paid now before we're looking at a Cap-strangling Julio contract... jnormand likes this.
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02-24-2019, 09:04 AM	#228
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency Regarding Peat’s contract, look no further than Larry Warford for how it should look. Warford signed for 4yrs/$34mil ($8.5mil average) and his cap hit in the first year was $3.8mil. If we keep Peat at his 5th year option salary of $9.625mil (and he certainly is more valuable than Warford having half his reps at LT) then we’re looking at something like 4yrs/$38.5mil. Structure it similarly to Warford’s where the first year cap hit is around $4mil and that will free up $5mil.

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