2019 Saints NFL Free Agency

jeanpierre · 02-05-2019, 09:02 PM

Really don't care to have Dez nor Meredith back, they bring nothing that the younger Tre'quan Smith or Keith Kirkwood don't already have without the injury history, age, and more expensive cap numbers they'll bring...

Meredith's contract was essentially a one year deal. And Dez will probably be looking for a little more than tooth fairy money...

If Tre'quan can turn the jets on, consistently, as he did in Training Camp 2018, he replaces Ginn...

We need to get that third and move the chains underneath Lance Moore/Willie Snead guy more than we need two more outside possession receivers...

And we need to bring in a veteran front end Tight End to leave no doubts, before the draft...

ChrisXVI · 02-05-2019, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Really don't care to have Dez nor Meredith back, they bring nothing that the younger Tre'quan Smith or Keith Kirkwood don't already have without the injury history, age, and more expensive cap numbers they'll bring...

Meredith's contract was essentially a one year deal. And Dez will probably be looking for a little more than tooth fairy money...

If Tre'quan can turn the jets on, consistently, as he did in Training Camp 2018, he replaces Ginn...

We need to get that third and move the chains underneath Lance Moore/Willie Snead guy more than we need two more outside possession receivers...

And we need to bring in a veteran front end Tight End to leave no doubts, before the draft...

A wildcard in all of this is Simmie Cobbs Jr. We liked him enough to sign him off the Redskins practice squad and keep him on the active roster. He’s another one of those big-bodied X receivers that could make Dez Bryant or Cameron Meredith unnecessary.

jeanpierre · 02-06-2019, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

A wildcard in all of this is Simmie Cobbs Jr. We liked him enough to sign him off the Redskins practice squad and keep him on the active roster. He’s another one of those big-bodied X receivers that could make Dez Bryant or Cameron Meredith unnecessary.

This is what I'm saying. Meredith is done - this was another case where the Saints threw money away in a big medical gamble when Tight End, Offensive Line, or a Cornerback should've been shored up better.

At this stage of his career Dez is tracking down as well; he's not a speedster and he's never been one to go across the short, middle of the fields on third downs, so he's not gonna start now...

We have younger guys who's floor has been established and can only track up - why waste the time, money on retreads when we can move on to offensive line, RB depth, and CB depth?

And if we need anything, get a proven, healthy, Game Day Available, slot receiver veteran like a Adam Humphries or Chris Hogan that Drew can quickly build a rapport...

K Major · 02-06-2019, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

This is what I'm saying. Meredith is done - this was another case where the Saints threw money away in a big medical gamble when Tight End, Offensive Line, or a Cornerback should've been shored up better.

Not buying this at all. Meredith suffered a very serious knee injury. Sometimes, it takes 2 years for a player to get over that, both physically and more importantly ...mentally.

Bookmark this page for friendly debate post 2019 training camp.

jeanpierre · 02-06-2019, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Not buying this at all. Meredith suffered a very serious knee injury. Sometimes, it takes 2 years for a player to get over that, both physically and more importantly ...mentally.

Bookmark this page for friendly debate post 2019 training camp.

So we tie up money now or even this past season that could've been used on Senio Kelemete or the like? or maybe a younger tight end that could play more than 38yo Watson? or a Tyrann Mathieu who could've lock down a safety or nickel back for us last season?

Let me pose this to you - Would you rather have TE Jesse James, WR Cam Meredith or WR Dez Bryant?

K Major · 02-06-2019, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

So we tie up money now or even this past season that could've been used on Senio Kelemete or the like? or maybe a younger tight end that could play more than 38yo Watson? or a Tyrann Mathieu who could've lock down a safety or nickel back for us last season?

Let me pose this to you - Would you rather have TE Jesse James, WR Cam Meredith or WR Dez Bryant?

Saints weren't in a position to throw Sammy Watkins type coin (14M) last season at good to above avg WRs.

Saints signed him to a 2 year deal with only 1 year guaranteed. If he doesn't return to form in 2019, cut him.

From a GM perspective, not really a big deal and I'm not to the point of saying Meredith is done.

Dez is still an unknown. Invite him to camp, see how he performs and go from there.

jeanpierre · 02-06-2019, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Saints weren't in a position to throw Sammy Watkins type coin (14M) last season at good to above avg WRs.

Why would we want Sammy Watkins? My bad, Major, I'm just missing something...

Originally Posted by K Major

Saints signed him to a 2 year deal with only 1 year guaranteed. If he doesn't return to form in 2019, cut him.

From a GM perspective, not really a big deal and I'm not to the point of saying Meredith is done.

I understand the logistics of the signing, but what I'm saying is you invested a 3rd round pick in a guy, let him get the snaps so he can develop and contribute...

Originally Posted by K Major

Dez is still an unknown. Invite him to camp, see how he performs and go from there.

Before the injury, Dez looked done, that's why Dallas moved on without a No. 1 until they traded for Amari Cooper. Even Dallas knew he was done.

And I understand what you're saying about Tight End last year. But now Arnold and Griffin have finally, one, learned the position...

...two, have gained adequate weight to play the position...

and three, got some, but not enough reps at that point to be trusted in the playoffs (And Arnold was mauled before making a great attempt coming down with that ball)...

The ability is there, they needed time to get where they need to beand that's why they went undrafted...

We just need a front end tight end to do the job until they're fully ready...

And as far as receiver, there does appear to be an issue between Brees and the young slot receiver - with this possibly being Brees' last run, I'd go get Humphries or Hogan - guys that are durable and can catch a lot of balls to convert those 3rd downs...

K Major · 02-06-2019, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Let me pose this to you - Would you rather have TE Jesse James, WR Cam Meredith or WR Dez Bryant?[/B]

As far as tight end goes, I've been on the "upgrade" train for 2 seasons now. No disrespect to Hill or Arnold but trotting out undrafted guys at this position caught up with us. Even a older, slower, broke up Jimmy Dickens (Graham) would have had more impact in the red zone during the playoffs.

Very unfortunate that Fleener didn't work out. I hope the Saints go aggressive here when FA period starts.

rezburna · 02-06-2019, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

So we tie up money now or even this past season that could've been used on Senio Kelemete or the like? or maybe a younger tight end that could play more than 38yo Watson? or a Tyrann Mathieu who could've lock down a safety or nickel back for us last season?

Let me pose this to you - Would you rather have TE Jesse James, WR Cam Meredith or WR Dez Bryant?

I’d prefer Dez Bryant. I’d like to see us go grab Cameron Brate at Tight End. I wouldn’t mind seeing us go after Cole Beasley if he’s available too.

AsylumGuido · 02-06-2019, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I’d prefer Dez Bryant. I’d like to see us go grab Cameron Brate at Tight End. I wouldn’t mind seeing us go after Cole Beasley if he’s available too.

You're hired if you can pull that off, Rez.

02-05-2019, 09:02 PM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency Really don't care to have Dez nor Meredith back, they bring nothing that the younger Tre'quan Smith or Keith Kirkwood don't already have without the injury history, age, and more expensive cap numbers they'll bring... Meredith's contract was essentially a one year deal. And Dez will probably be looking for a little more than tooth fairy money... If Tre'quan can turn the jets on, consistently, as he did in Training Camp 2018, he replaces Ginn... We need to get that third and move the chains underneath Lance Moore/Willie Snead guy more than we need two more outside possession receivers... And we need to bring in a veteran front end Tight End to leave no doubts, before the draft...
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02-05-2019, 09:24 PM	#2
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency Originally Posted by jeanpierre Really don't care to have Dez nor Meredith back, they bring nothing that the younger Tre'quan Smith or Keith Kirkwood don't already have without the injury history, age, and more expensive cap numbers they'll bring... Meredith's contract was essentially a one year deal. And Dez will probably be looking for a little more than tooth fairy money... If Tre'quan can turn the jets on, consistently, as he did in Training Camp 2018, he replaces Ginn... We need to get that third and move the chains underneath Lance Moore/Willie Snead guy more than we need two more outside possession receivers... And we need to bring in a veteran front end Tight End to leave no doubts, before the draft... A wildcard in all of this is Simmie Cobbs Jr. We liked him enough to sign him off the Redskins practice squad and keep him on the active roster. He’s another one of those big-bodied X receivers that could make Dez Bryant or Cameron Meredith unnecessary. jeanpierre likes this.

02-06-2019, 07:42 AM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency Originally Posted by ChrisXVI A wildcard in all of this is Simmie Cobbs Jr. We liked him enough to sign him off the Redskins practice squad and keep him on the active roster. He’s another one of those big-bodied X receivers that could make Dez Bryant or Cameron Meredith unnecessary. This is what I'm saying. Meredith is done - this was another case where the Saints threw money away in a big medical gamble when Tight End, Offensive Line, or a Cornerback should've been shored up better. At this stage of his career Dez is tracking down as well; he's not a speedster and he's never been one to go across the short, middle of the fields on third downs, so he's not gonna start now... We have younger guys who's floor has been established and can only track up - why waste the time, money on retreads when we can move on to offensive line, RB depth, and CB depth? And if we need anything, get a proven, healthy, Game Day Available, slot receiver veteran like a Adam Humphries or Chris Hogan that Drew can quickly build a rapport...
	It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way...

02-06-2019, 07:56 AM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,797 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency Originally Posted by jeanpierre This is what I'm saying. Meredith is done - this was another case where the Saints threw money away in a big medical gamble when Tight End, Offensive Line, or a Cornerback should've been shored up better. Not buying this at all. Meredith suffered a very serious knee injury. Sometimes, it takes 2 years for a player to get over that, both physically and more importantly ...mentally. Bookmark this page for friendly debate post 2019 training camp.

02-06-2019, 09:55 AM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency Originally Posted by K Major Not buying this at all. Meredith suffered a very serious knee injury. Sometimes, it takes 2 years for a player to get over that, both physically and more importantly ...mentally. Bookmark this page for friendly debate post 2019 training camp. So we tie up money now or even this past season that could've been used on Senio Kelemete or the like? or maybe a younger tight end that could play more than 38yo Watson? or a Tyrann Mathieu who could've lock down a safety or nickel back for us last season? Let me pose this to you - Would you rather have TE Jesse James, WR Cam Meredith or WR Dez Bryant?

02-06-2019, 10:25 AM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,797 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency Originally Posted by jeanpierre So we tie up money now or even this past season that could've been used on Senio Kelemete or the like? or maybe a younger tight end that could play more than 38yo Watson? or a Tyrann Mathieu who could've lock down a safety or nickel back for us last season? Let me pose this to you - Would you rather have TE Jesse James, WR Cam Meredith or WR Dez Bryant? Saints weren't in a position to throw Sammy Watkins type coin (14M) last season at good to above avg WRs. Saints signed him to a 2 year deal with only 1 year guaranteed. If he doesn't return to form in 2019, cut him. From a GM perspective, not really a big deal and I'm not to the point of saying Meredith is done. Dez is still an unknown. Invite him to camp, see how he performs and go from there.

02-06-2019, 05:54 PM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency Originally Posted by K Major Saints weren't in a position to throw Sammy Watkins type coin (14M) last season at good to above avg WRs. Why would we want Sammy Watkins? My bad, Major, I'm just missing something... Originally Posted by K Major Saints signed him to a 2 year deal with only 1 year guaranteed. If he doesn't return to form in 2019, cut him. From a GM perspective, not really a big deal and I'm not to the point of saying Meredith is done. I understand the logistics of the signing, but what I'm saying is you invested a 3rd round pick in a guy, let him get the snaps so he can develop and contribute... Originally Posted by K Major Dez is still an unknown. Invite him to camp, see how he performs and go from there. Before the injury, Dez looked done, that's why Dallas moved on without a No. 1 until they traded for Amari Cooper. Even Dallas knew he was done. And I understand what you're saying about Tight End last year. But now Arnold and Griffin have finally, one, learned the position... ...two, have gained adequate weight to play the position... and three, got some, but not enough reps at that point to be trusted in the playoffs (And Arnold was mauled before making a great attempt coming down with that ball)... The ability is there, they needed time to get where they need to beand that's why they went undrafted... We just need a front end tight end to do the job until they're fully ready... And as far as receiver, there does appear to be an issue between Brees and the young slot receiver - with this possibly being Brees' last run, I'd go get Humphries or Hogan - guys that are durable and can catch a lot of balls to convert those 3rd downs...
	It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way...

02-06-2019, 10:38 AM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,797 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency Originally Posted by jeanpierre Let me pose this to you - Would you rather have TE Jesse James, WR Cam Meredith or WR Dez Bryant?[/B] As far as tight end goes, I've been on the "upgrade" train for 2 seasons now. No disrespect to Hill or Arnold but trotting out undrafted guys at this position caught up with us. Even a older, slower, broke up Jimmy Dickens (Graham) would have had more impact in the red zone during the playoffs. Very unfortunate that Fleener didn't work out. I hope the Saints go aggressive here when FA period starts. Rugby Saint II likes this.

02-06-2019, 04:34 PM	#9
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,020	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency Originally Posted by jeanpierre So we tie up money now or even this past season that could've been used on Senio Kelemete or the like? or maybe a younger tight end that could play more than 38yo Watson? or a Tyrann Mathieu who could've lock down a safety or nickel back for us last season? Let me pose this to you - Would you rather have TE Jesse James, WR Cam Meredith or WR Dez Bryant? I’d prefer Dez Bryant. I’d like to see us go grab Cameron Brate at Tight End. I wouldn’t mind seeing us go after Cole Beasley if he’s available too.

02-06-2019, 05:09 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,573	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Free Agency Originally Posted by rezburna I’d prefer Dez Bryant. I’d like to see us go grab Cameron Brate at Tight End. I wouldn’t mind seeing us go after Cole Beasley if he’s available too. You're hired if you can pull that off, Rez.

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