2019 Saints NFL Draft Prospects (NFL Combine)

st thomas · 03-19-2019, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

Nope. We'll probably have to trade one or 2 more.

Cook may come crawling back if he don’t get the money he wants .

st thomas · 03-19-2019, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by st thomas

Kidding rite?

Andy Isabella is ranked from 58 to 68 in best player available it’s a no brainer with him . Hill has to to stay in and just freakin block and it’s fixed.

K Major · 03-19-2019, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Wouldn’t be surprised to see us go CB with our 2nd round pick. Eli Apple is only under contract through 2020 and PRob will be 32 when the season starts and coming off a broken ankle.

Now that would surprise me XVI. I could see the Saints coaching staff addressing slot corner back next Free Agency but then again, I didn't see Davenport coming last season

. I think Payton really does like what he sees from the 2019 WR/TE class ... so there's that.

To be continued.

K Major · 03-19-2019, 10:12 AM

TE - Kaden Smith ... dude has soft hands, runs decent routes & wins a lot of contested ball matchups. Needs to get stronger/add bulk. He's a day 2 guy, possible 3.

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jeanpierre · 03-19-2019, 11:44 AM

The Draft Network - TE Kaden Smith, Stanford

Route Running -Can be knocked around in tight spaces, is a long strider who doesn't do well when he's forced off his linear release. Best up the seam from slot and in-line when he's not contested, otherwise has some lethargic breaks on hard angles.

Hands -A few gimme drops in contested situations, can let the ball into his chest instead of plucking it while fighting for real estate. Catch radius is notable and when comfortable extending for the football often shows ability to bail out his passer.

Versatility -Exposure to roles of all sorts but ideally is a vertical receiving threat first and foremost. Success hasn't gone hand and hand with assignment and he's not to be featured in a role that asks him to spend time in the backfield.

Contested Catch Ability -Extension skills and size are a true asset, especially when he's boxing out defenders as they arrive. Has less success when the defender rides his hip through the target and is forces to play around a body to secure the catch.

Run After Catch Ability -Long strides in the open will enable some added yardage when he's uncovered but generally lacks wiggle or mobility to shake free of an arriving defender. Play strength isn't exceptional either and won't pull through lateral challenges.

Power At POA -Appears lacking in lower body power and as a result is more of a mirror blocker than a drive blocker. Confident in combo blocks to work hip to hip. Will let his base narrow in one on ones and spin, losing ability to drive opponents off their spot.

Competitive Toughness -High hips lead to some struggles when tasked with playing through contact and can get rattled around trying to push up the seam on a stem. Functional power is not an exceptional trait and offers minimal value in short yardage.

Flexibility -Good rotation through the hips to work his numbers back to the football. Would like to see more hip drop at the top of stem or more aggression at the top of his stems to play with more speed and establish more snap/separation.

Balance -Struggles in an in-line role unless he's tasked with sliding and steering defenders. Has been contacted and knocked off base with his route stems by linebackers and zone defenders looking to reroute his release up the field.

Football Intelligence -Knows all the tricks to work around contact. Awareness to flip his eyes back to the passer are effective, but will do so even at the expense of getting clipped by a squatting defender. Has no issue with assignments, needs to perfect his craft and add functional balance.

BEST TRAIT - Vertical Receiving

WORST TRAIT - Power at POA

BEST FILM - Washington State (2018)

WORST FILM - Notre Dame (2018)

RED FLAGS - None

Kaden Smith is an intriguing TE prospect, but projects as a player that will need added developmental time before any expectations should be placed on him. Smith is pretty lethargic at the top of his stems and won't inspire as a man beater in routes. Pretty specific skill set for immediate role, wins up seam vs. zone and as a sit-down target vs. soft zone. Smith has skills and promise but shouldn't be tasked to play a large percentage of snaps until he fleshes out his game.

One of the first guys I started scouting last fall - Kyle Crabb's scouting on this is pretty accurate - IMO Smith is a Day 3 pick at best...

K Major · 03-19-2019, 11:52 AM

^^^ Damn, JP killed my thunder on Kaden with all that red ^^^.

Someone get this man a NFL scouting job

!

saintsfan1976 · 03-19-2019, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Sadly, he's not falling to us at pick no. 62 and I don't want to see us send that pick and next year's first round pick to get him - if that would even get it done...

He's looking like a pick between No. 20 and No. 30 in the first round...

Those Ole Miss tackles have a way of getting smoked out of the first round....

K Major · 03-19-2019, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Kaden Smith is an intriguing TE prospect, but projects as a player that will need added developmental time before any expectations should be placed on him. Smith is pretty lethargic at the top of his stems and won't inspire as a man beater in routes. Pretty specific skill set for immediate role, wins up seam vs. zone and as a sit-down target vs. soft zone. Smith has skills and promise but shouldn't be tasked to play a large percentage of snaps until he fleshes out his game.

One of the first guys I started scouting last fall - Kyle Crabb's scouting on this is pretty accurate - IMO Smith is a Day 3 pick at best..

This is fair criticism however reports like this often may encourage him to get better at his craft - see All Pro George Kittle (5th rounder) from 2018 draft or our very own Jimmy Graham taken in the 3rd.

I'm not saying the Saints need to draft the kid, just saying that in the right system/coaching he could excel at the next level

.

jeanpierre · 03-19-2019, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

This is fair criticism however reports like this often may encourage him to get better at his craft - see All Pro George Kittle (5th rounder) from 2018 draft or our very own Jimmy Graham taken in the 3rd.

I'm not saying the Saints need to draft the kid, just saying that in the right system/coaching he could excel at the next level .

Well, it wasn't directed at you as you are often very informed on draft prospects...

Rather than put my own scouting out there, I shared Kyle's scouting report which is one of the most accurate reports on a player I've seen...

Simply, the problem with Smith is that he gets knocked off his routes, spots and that's a hu-yuge problem in our offense; especially with an older Brees who's got to throw to spots now to grade elite...

jeanpierre · 03-19-2019, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Those Ole Miss tackles have a way of getting smoked out of the first round....

There's some serious potential in those Wisconsin offensive line players and two of them would be great value at 62, Edwards, if he fell or Deiter who's slotted there in many mock drafts...

Or we could move back, pick up an add'l draft dart and possibly still take the third Wisconsin guy I also like, Beau Benzschawel...

03-19-2019, 08:42 AM	#111
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Draft Prospects (NFL Combine) Originally Posted by CheramieIII Nope. We'll probably have to trade one or 2 more. Cook may come crawling back if he don’t get the money he wants .

03-19-2019, 08:50 AM	#112
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Draft Prospects (NFL Combine) Originally Posted by st thomas Kidding rite? Andy Isabella is ranked from 58 to 68 in best player available it’s a no brainer with him . Hill has to to stay in and just freakin block and it’s fixed.

03-19-2019, 09:47 AM	#113
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Draft Prospects (NFL Combine) Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Wouldn’t be surprised to see us go CB with our 2nd round pick. Eli Apple is only under contract through 2020 and PRob will be 32 when the season starts and coming off a broken ankle. Now that would surprise me XVI. I could see the Saints coaching staff addressing slot corner back next Free Agency but then again, I didn't see Davenport coming last season . I think Payton really does like what he sees from the 2019 WR/TE class ... so there's that. To be continued.

03-19-2019, 11:44 AM	#115
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Draft Prospects (NFL Combine) The Draft Network - TE Kaden Smith, Stanford Route Running -Can be knocked around in tight spaces, is a long strider who doesn't do well when he's forced off his linear release. Best up the seam from slot and in-line when he's not contested, otherwise has some lethargic breaks on hard angles. Hands -A few gimme drops in contested situations, can let the ball into his chest instead of plucking it while fighting for real estate. Catch radius is notable and when comfortable extending for the football often shows ability to bail out his passer. Versatility -Exposure to roles of all sorts but ideally is a vertical receiving threat first and foremost. Success hasn't gone hand and hand with assignment and he's not to be featured in a role that asks him to spend time in the backfield. Contested Catch Ability -Extension skills and size are a true asset, especially when he's boxing out defenders as they arrive. Has less success when the defender rides his hip through the target and is forces to play around a body to secure the catch. Run After Catch Ability -Long strides in the open will enable some added yardage when he's uncovered but generally lacks wiggle or mobility to shake free of an arriving defender. Play strength isn't exceptional either and won't pull through lateral challenges. Power At POA -Appears lacking in lower body power and as a result is more of a mirror blocker than a drive blocker. Confident in combo blocks to work hip to hip. Will let his base narrow in one on ones and spin, losing ability to drive opponents off their spot. Competitive Toughness -High hips lead to some struggles when tasked with playing through contact and can get rattled around trying to push up the seam on a stem. Functional power is not an exceptional trait and offers minimal value in short yardage. Flexibility -Good rotation through the hips to work his numbers back to the football. Would like to see more hip drop at the top of stem or more aggression at the top of his stems to play with more speed and establish more snap/separation. Balance -Struggles in an in-line role unless he's tasked with sliding and steering defenders. Has been contacted and knocked off base with his route stems by linebackers and zone defenders looking to reroute his release up the field. Football Intelligence -Knows all the tricks to work around contact. Awareness to flip his eyes back to the passer are effective, but will do so even at the expense of getting clipped by a squatting defender. Has no issue with assignments, needs to perfect his craft and add functional balance. BEST TRAIT - Vertical Receiving WORST TRAIT - Power at POA BEST FILM - Washington State (2018) WORST FILM - Notre Dame (2018) RED FLAGS - None Kaden Smith is an intriguing TE prospect, but projects as a player that will need added developmental time before any expectations should be placed on him. Smith is pretty lethargic at the top of his stems and won't inspire as a man beater in routes. Pretty specific skill set for immediate role, wins up seam vs. zone and as a sit-down target vs. soft zone. Smith has skills and promise but shouldn't be tasked to play a large percentage of snaps until he fleshes out his game. One of the first guys I started scouting last fall - Kyle Crabb's scouting on this is pretty accurate - IMO Smith is a Day 3 pick at best...
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03-19-2019, 11:52 AM	#116
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Draft Prospects (NFL Combine) ^^^ Damn, JP killed my thunder on Kaden with all that red ^^^. Someone get this man a NFL scouting job ! jeanpierre likes this.

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03-19-2019, 12:03 PM	#117
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Draft Prospects (NFL Combine) Originally Posted by jeanpierre Sadly, he's not falling to us at pick no. 62 and I don't want to see us send that pick and next year's first round pick to get him - if that would even get it done... He's looking like a pick between No. 20 and No. 30 in the first round... Those Ole Miss tackles have a way of getting smoked out of the first round.... jeanpierre likes this.

03-19-2019, 12:12 PM	#118
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Draft Prospects (NFL Combine) Originally Posted by jeanpierre Kaden Smith is an intriguing TE prospect, but projects as a player that will need added developmental time before any expectations should be placed on him. Smith is pretty lethargic at the top of his stems and won't inspire as a man beater in routes. Pretty specific skill set for immediate role, wins up seam vs. zone and as a sit-down target vs. soft zone. Smith has skills and promise but shouldn't be tasked to play a large percentage of snaps until he fleshes out his game. One of the first guys I started scouting last fall - Kyle Crabb's scouting on this is pretty accurate - IMO Smith is a Day 3 pick at best.. This is fair criticism however reports like this often may encourage him to get better at his craft - see All Pro George Kittle (5th rounder) from 2018 draft or our very own Jimmy Graham taken in the 3rd. I'm not saying the Saints need to draft the kid, just saying that in the right system/coaching he could excel at the next level .

03-19-2019, 12:50 PM	#119
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Draft Prospects (NFL Combine) Originally Posted by K Major This is fair criticism however reports like this often may encourage him to get better at his craft - see All Pro George Kittle (5th rounder) from 2018 draft or our very own Jimmy Graham taken in the 3rd. I'm not saying the Saints need to draft the kid, just saying that in the right system/coaching he could excel at the next level . Well, it wasn't directed at you as you are often very informed on draft prospects... Rather than put my own scouting out there, I shared Kyle's scouting report which is one of the most accurate reports on a player I've seen... Simply, the problem with Smith is that he gets knocked off his routes, spots and that's a hu-yuge problem in our offense; especially with an older Brees who's got to throw to spots now to grade elite...
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03-19-2019, 12:55 PM	#120
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Draft Prospects (NFL Combine) Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Those Ole Miss tackles have a way of getting smoked out of the first round.... There's some serious potential in those Wisconsin offensive line players and two of them would be great value at 62, Edwards, if he fell or Deiter who's slotted there in many mock drafts... Or we could move back, pick up an add'l draft dart and possibly still take the third Wisconsin guy I also like, Beau Benzschawel... saintsfan1976, ChrisXVI and MarchingOn like this.

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