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ChrisXVI 01-05-2020 07:36 PM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 876012)
We may have to move around (even down) in the draft to take the Best Need Available...

This roster really has very few holes, LG, RG, WR-Z, RDE, maybe CB2...

And we've got to spend a lot of money soon to keep some of those 2016-17 draft picks...

That’s just it... I understand drafting BPA, but with the big money we’ll be shelling out soon we might not be able to use free agency to address needs. I have no problem narrowing down what position we’ll address in the first round.

jeanpierre 01-06-2020 06:44 PM

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jeanpierre 01-06-2020 07:02 PM

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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2019 New Orleans Saints – End Season

OFFENSE

QB (3) 9 – Drew Brees *FP (knee), 5 - Teddy Bridgewater (FA 2019), 7 - Taysom Hill

FB (2) 30 - Ricky Ortiz (FA 2019), 42 - Zach Line *OUT (knee)

RB (3) 41 - Alvin Kamara, 28 - Latavius Murray (FA 2019), 27 - Dwayne Washington *FP (knee)

WR-X (2) 13 - Michael Thomas *FP (hand), 10 - Tra'Quan Smith

WR-S (1) 84 - Lil’Jordan Humphrey (UDFA 2019)

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead, 60 - Patrick Omameh (FA 2019)

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 62 - Nick Easton (FA 2019)

C (1) 78 - Erik McCoy (R2P16, #48)

RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 64 - Will Clapp

RT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk, 73 - Ethan Greenidge (UDFA 2019)

TE (2) 87 - Jared Cook (FA 2019), 89 - Josh Hill

WR-Z (2) 19 - Ted Ginn, 11 - Deonte Harris (UDFA 2019)


DEFENSE

LDE (2) 94 - Cam Jordan, 96 - Carl Granderson (UDFA 2019)

DT3 (2) 93 - David Onyemata, 99 - Shy Tuttle (UDFA 2019)

NT (2) 90 - Malcolm Brown (FA 2019), 95 - Taylor Stallworth (FA 2019)

RDE (3) 97 - Mario Edwards, Jr. (FA 2019), 91 - Trey Hendrickson, 57 - Noah Spence (FA 2019)

SLB (2) 53 - A.J. Klein, 58 - Stephone Anthony (FA 2019)

MLB (2) 54 - Kiko Alonso (Trade MIA), 51 - Manti Teo (FA 2019)

WLB (2) 56 - DeMario Davis, 52 - Craig Robertson (FA 2019)

LCB (2) 20 - Janoris Jenkins, 25 - Eli Apple *OUT (ankle)

SS (3) 24 - Vonn Bell *FP (knee), 22 - Chauncey Gardner (R4P3, #105), 36 - D.J. Swearinger

FS (2) 43 - Marcus A. Williams *FP (groin), 48 - J.T. Gray

NCB (2) 26 - P.J. Williams (FA 2019), 34 - Justin Hardee (ERFA 2019)

RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 21 - Patrick Robinson


KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz (RFA 2019)

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood (ERFA 2019)

RS (*) 11 - Deonte Harris (UDFA 2019)


Practice Squad

RB 44 - Taquan Mizzel (RFC 2020)

C 61 - Casey Dunn (FA 2019)

LG 68 - Derrick Kelly (RFC 2020)

WR 17 - Emmanuel Butler (RFC 2020)

WR 14 - Tim White (RFC 2020)

TE 85 - Cole Wick (RFC 2020)

TE 88 - Mitchell Loewen (RFC 2020)

DT 77 - Jalen Dalton (RFC 2020)

LB 50 - Andrew Dowell (RFC 2020)

FS 31 - Chris Johnson (RFC 2020)


Active Roster Count - Total: 53; Offense: 24; Defense: 26; Kicking: 3; Practice Squad: 10 (9-RFC)


Reserve/Injured

45 - Garrett Griffin

51 - Colton Jumper (FA 2019)

54 - Josh Martin (FA 2019)

63 - Cameron Tom (ERFA 2019)

47 - Alex Anzalone

18 - Keith Kirkwood

55 - Kaden Elliss (R7P30, #244)

80 - Austin Carr

86 - Jason Vander Laan (FA 2019)

92 - Marcus Davenport

98 - Sheldon Rankins

29 - Johnson Bademosi (FA - 2019)

33 - Saquan Hampton (R6P4, #177)

81 - Krishawn Hogan (FA 2019)


Reserve/Non-Football Injury

54 - Chase Hansen (UDFA 2019)


KEY:

Projected Starter

Free Agent (FA 2019)

Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA 2019)

Reserve/Futures Contract (RFC 2019)

Rookie Draft Pick (R#,P#)

Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA 2019)

Injured, Injured/Reserve, Injured/PUP

K Major 01-08-2020 08:02 AM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
JP -

I do recall the conversations you had with Chris, our dear friend Hagin and others on the G position several seasons ago. Specifically Brandon Scherff ... he's battled injuries as of late however he's a BIG NASTY that we obviously NEEDED in the playoffs against the good teams.

If SP and co intend to "retool" around Brees in 2020, upgrade the GUARD position this off season. IIRC the Saints were HIGH on Brandon coming out of that 2015 draft class. If they believe this is your guy to get us over the top, spend the money and welcome him to New Orleans.

Keep an eye on this player as we enter the off season and into Free Agency.

halloween 65 01-08-2020 08:38 AM

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G used to be the stoutest position for us on the O line, we could get by with decent T. There are some really good G coming out in this draft. Decently deep. I'm all about the youth movement on both of the front lines. Payton usually drafts good ones but gets a Charlie Brown every now and then. 2nd and 3rd round I pull the trigger. They will still be there.

K Major 01-08-2020 08:40 AM

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SLB (2) 53 - A.J. Klein, 58 - Stephone Anthony (FA 2019)
MLB (2) 54 - Kiko Alonso (Trade MIA), 51 - Manti Teo (FA 2019)
WLB (2) 56 - DeMario Davis, 52 - Craig Robertson (FA 2019)

Upgrades needed ^^^ if your name is not DEMARIO DAVIS.

Kiko (3rd ACL), Teo (limited/bad in coverage), Craig (nothing but more than depth), Klein (good in nickle packages only), Anzalone (durability/can't count on him in Dec/subsequent playoff run)

Losing MIKE NOLAN ... huge.

st thomas 01-08-2020 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 876475)
SLB (2) 53 - A.J. Klein, 58 - Stephone Anthony (FA 2019)
MLB (2) 54 - Kiko Alonso (Trade MIA), 51 - Manti Teo (FA 2019)
WLB (2) 56 - DeMario Davis, 52 - Craig Robertson (FA 2019)

Upgrades needed ^^^ if your name is not DEMARIO DAVIS.

Kiko (3rd ACL), Teo (limited/bad in coverage), Craig (nothing but more than depth), Klein (good in nickle packages only), Anzalone (durability/can't count on him in Dec/subsequent playoff run)

Losing MIKE NOLAN ... huge.



Kiko Alonzo , Alazone and apple can walk , pj willams ,Marcus Williams can get traded it wouldn’t bother me in the least-and mike Nolan is leaving because of DA should have took over his job . The back end of our defense has sucked and keep sucking when it counts


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jeanpierre 01-08-2020 10:42 AM

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We can't afford two, three Demario Davis's, no team can without sacrificing in other areas...

Most successful teams prioritize, slot money at QB, CBs, OL, WRs, DEs...

The Saints, like most teams, play nickel defense over 50% of the time, that's why stud LB thumpers don't get drafted to late in the third day of the draft, if at all...

Get the frustration, but for what we're paying - Klein is a bargain. If Anzalone is signed at the same slot, so would he. From what I'm told, Anzalone extensive college injury finally has the care, time to heal...

And I'd be really p/o'd to have given up Vince Biegel for a one year rental on Alonzo; the quad injury was a freak injury and he obviously came back too soon and compounded his injury...

Plus, we have some terrific young LBers who were stashed on Reserve, Injured that will bring a lot to Training Camp this coming season...

If we haven't traded away our 5th, 6th round picks, I'm looking for guys like Cal's Evan Weaver, Wake Forest' Justin Strnad, and former QB, UNC LBers Chazz Surratt to fall and snag them then...

K Major 01-08-2020 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 876492)
Plus, we have some terrific young LBers who were stashed on Reserve, Injured that will bring a lot to Training Camp this coming season...

All we got is Demario. Those guys "stashed" on IR, practice squad aren't the answer. Trust me on this one. Watch the Niners LB core on Sat and tell me if our current roster at LB collectively can play at that same level.

I think Parcells said it best ... "if you have too many average guys on the roster, it makes you an average team at best".

jeanpierre 01-10-2020 02:52 AM

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Parcells also never sniffed the SuperBowl after Free Agency took over the league after the late 90s...

Could our linebacker play be better? Absolutely.

But our linebacker play is still among the top third in the league, and I can live with that if our skill players, WRs not named Thomas, DBs would step up and finish the deal...

K Major 01-16-2020 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 876679)
Could our linebacker play be better? Absolutely.

But our linebacker play is still among the top third in the league, and I can live with that if our skill players, WRs not named Thomas, DBs would step up and finish the deal...

On paper sure but in games .. all I consistently see is Demario showing up with his lunch pale.

Klein - UFA
Kiko - 3rd ACL tear (possibly cap casualty)
Thor - good player but can he go the distance?

It would be very wise for the Saints front office brass to address the linebacker position this off season and into the draft.

There could be a stud that falls from 3rd -5th round like that assassin Dre Greenlaw/Arkansas (Niners). Terrific 5th round (did not run 40 @ combine due to sore hamstring) rookie draft pick.

I'm no longer content with the core we have now. Good enough for reg season ? Sure but the playoffs ... different animal & we need more sideline dawgs.

K Major 01-18-2020 11:05 AM

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Amie Just

@Amie_Just


Saints are signing WR Maurice Harris to a reserve/future deal.

He was with the Patriots this past offseason before going on IR, and later being released with an injury settlement. Was previously with Washington.


9:27 AM - Jan 16, 2020 · New Orleans, LA

jeanpierre 01-18-2020 05:53 PM

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Rugby Saint II 01-22-2020 12:23 PM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
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Basically the defense regresses every year no matter what. I lay this at firmly DA's feet. All his players underperform consistently and that has to stop.

K Major 01-22-2020 02:11 PM

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LG (2) 62 - Nick Easton (FA 2019), 75 - Andrus Peat *LP (Forearm Fx) ..

While I'm not sure if Nick can become a full time starter in 2020, I do know Peat can't.

K Major 01-27-2020 06:53 PM

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Brace yourself ...

Saints have added Tommy Lee Lewis to the roster.

I'm not sure why Sean Payton keeps bringing this dude back.

st thomas 01-27-2020 08:33 PM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 878492)
Brace yourself ...

Saints have added Tommy Lee Lewis to the roster.

I'm not sure why Sean Payton keeps bringing this dude back.



U got to be——me


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K Major 01-27-2020 08:59 PM

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U got to be——me


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jeanpierre 01-28-2020 08:33 AM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 878492)
Brace yourself ...

Saints have added Tommy Lee Lewis to the roster.

I'm not sure why Sean Payton keeps bringing this dude back.

https://media.giphy.com/media/5WksjA...801G/giphy.gif

K Major 01-28-2020 08:46 AM

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TLL has got to be a camp body.

If Tommy makes the final 53 man roster that would mean to me that we didn't do well in the draft and in Free Agency.

K Major 02-12-2020 09:42 AM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 878538)
TLL has got to be a camp body.

If Tommy makes the final 53 man roster that would mean to me that we didn't do well in the draft and in Free Agency.

I believe the Saints WILL get a low budget (Cobb, Perriman) WR in Free Agency. Amari C, AJ Green, Robbie etc., will be far too pricey.

We all want a shiny new BMW M5, however once we see the sticker price ... reality sets in.

*** I've mentioned Breshard Perriman a couple of times because Sean Payton has seen him play up close in person within the division ...twice.

He's healthy, has the 1st rd pedigree & will come relatively cheap.

st thomas 02-12-2020 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 879811)
I believe the Saints WILL get a low budget (Cobb, Perriman) WR in Free Agency. Amari C, AJ Green, Robbie etc., will be far too pricey.



We all want a shiny new BMW M5, however once we see the sticker price ... reality sets in.



What about Eric armstead from the niners that guy was. A big part of the pass rush can we afford him?


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K Major 02-12-2020 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 879813)
What about Eric armstead from the niners that guy was. A big part of the pass rush can we afford him?


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I think Lynch will find a way to retain (long term deal) Arik for 2020. IIRC he (Arik) did say he would be open to the tag .... so there's that.

Good pass rushers ... pricey & I don't think the Saints will call.

IDK St. T... 2019 was a great year for him but what about the previous 2 or 3 out in San Fran? Very sub par.

AsylumGuido 02-12-2020 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 879815)
I think Lynch will find a way to retain (long term deal) Arik for 2020. IIRC he (Arik) did say he would be open to the tag .... so there's that.

Good pass rushers ... pricey & I don't think the Saints will call.

IDK St. T... 2019 was a great year for him but what about the previous 2 or 3 out in San Fran? Very sub par.

Yes. Armstead said that he would be very open to the tag.

jeanpierre 02-16-2020 07:31 PM

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jeanpierre 02-17-2020 10:42 AM

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Wow, Offensive Player of the Year, Only No. 8?


K Major 02-17-2020 10:57 AM

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PFF … SMDH

K Major 02-20-2020 10:30 AM

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25 - Eli Apple ... initially he played well but is there confidence issues? Was a bit inconsistent in NY, same applies in New Orleans.

Rez mentioned a name that I like too .. Byron Jones. Vet and he's consistent at corner.

K Major 02-20-2020 11:15 AM

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17 - Emmanuel Butler (UDFA 2019)
18 - Keith Kirkwood
80 - Austin Carr .. he plays a mean piano though.

^^^^^

I think we have at least 5 UDFA's on the current roster ... there is a lack of talent. The lack of talent shows up when you go against more talented (PLAYOFFS) players.

Ginn, Tre both below average production in 2019. We have NOTHING behind Michael Thomas. Saints have been fortunate that CGM has been in pristine health, however a injury could happen on any given play.

RE TOOL must happen this off season.

Side bar on the WR core ...Take some Taysom Hill had more TD's, higher catch %, more catches than Tre'quan Smith. Taysom Hill. Blows my mind that some think "we are fine" with the current WR core.

If the Saints moved on/benched Tre' in 2020, I'll understand.

jeanpierre 02-20-2020 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 880324)
25 - Eli Apple ... initially he played well but is there confidence issues? Was a bit inconsistent in NY, same applies in New Orleans.

Rez mentioned a name that I like too .. Byron Jones. Vet and he's consistent at corner.

Isn't Janoris still under contract for this year? isn't it for about ~10mil? That's seems to be on par for a top-flight CB2...

AsylumGuido 02-20-2020 11:59 AM

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Isn't Janoris still under contract for this year? isn't it for about ~10mil? That's seems to be on par for a top-flight CB2...

Final year with $10.15M base, $1M roster bonus, $100K workout bonus - none guaranteed. He can be cut and re-signed at a lower base and bonuses or extended/restructured to free up even more 2020 cap hit.

K Major 02-20-2020 12:54 PM

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Isn't Janoris still under contract for this year? isn't it for about ~10mil? That's seems to be on par for a top-flight CB2...

Yep.

I was reading one of your tweets on "several teams interested in Eli Apple". Watch how much money is thrown his way in Free Agency.

If the Saints are "all in, Super Bowl or bust" :rolleyes:) this season, cutting Janoris makes little sense. Top performer on short notice in NO & locked down a very good WR (Diggs) when it mattered most in the playoffs.

For a skilled player of his caliber, 11M doesn't seem all that bad to me.

Can you imagine how well he'll perform with a full camp in Metarie?

Latt & Janoris would compliment each other well.


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