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jeanpierre 11-09-2019 02:47 AM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2019 New Orleans Saints – Week 10: New Orleans Saints vs Atlanta Falcons

OFFENSE

QB (3) 9 – Drew Brees *FP (Thumb Sx), 5 - Teddy Bridgewater (FA 2019), 7 - Taysom Hill

RB (3) 41 - Alvin Kamara *FP (Knee, Ankle), 28 - Latavius Murray (FA 2019), 27 - Dwayne Washington

FB (1) 42 - Zach Line

WR-X (1) 13 - Michael Thomas

WR-S (2) 80 - Austin Carr, 81 - Krishawn Hogan (FA 2019)

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead *DNP (Illness), 73 - Ethan Greenidge (UDFA 2019)

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 64 - Will Clapp

C (2) 78 - Erik McCoy (R2P16, #48), 62 - Nick Easton (FA 2019)

RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 60 - Patrick Omameh (FA 2019)

RT (1) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk

TE (3) 89 - Josh Hill *LP (Calf), 87 - Jared Cook (FA 2019) *FP (Knee), 85 - Dan Arnold (FA 2019)

WR-Z (2) 19 - Ted Ginn, 10 - Tra'Quan Smith *FP (Ankle)

DEFENSE

RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport, 96 - Carl Granderson (UDFA 2019)

NT (2) 90 - Malcolm Brown (FA 2019), 99 - Shy Tuttle (UDFA 2019)

DT3 (3) 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata, 97 - Mario Edwards, Jr. (FA 2019)

LDE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 91 - Trey Hendrickson

WLB (2) 56 - DeMario Davis, 52 - Craig Robertson (FA 2019)

MLB (1) 54 - Kiko Alonso (Trade MIA)

SLB (2) 53 - A.J. Klein, 58 - Stephone Anthony (FA 2019)

RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 34 - Justin Hardee (ERFA 2019)

NCB (3) 22 - Chauncey Gardner (R4P3, #105), 26 - P.J. Williams (FA 2019), 21 - Patrick Robinson *LP (Hamstrung)

FS (2) 43 - Marcus A. Williams, 33 - Saquan Hampton (R6P4, #177)

SS (2) 24 - Vonn Bell, 48 - J.T. Gray

LCB (2) 25 - Eli Apple, 29 - Johnson Bademosi (FA - 2019)


KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz (RFA 2019)

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood (ERFA 2019)

RS (1) 11 - Deonte Harris (UDFA 2019)


Practice Squad

LG 68 - Derrick Kelly (UDFA 2019)

RG 65 - John Leglue (UDFA DEN 2019)

TE 86 - Jason Vander Laan (FA NE 2019)

WR 17 - Emmanuel Butler (UDFA 2019)

WR 84 - Lil’Jordan Humphrey (UDFA 2019)

DE 70 - Mitchell Loewen (FA 2019)

NT 95 - Taylor Stallworth (FA 2019)

FS 32 - T. J. Green (FA 2019)

FS 36 - Trae Elston (FA 2019 NO/TB/CLE/BUF/PHI/BUF/MIA/PHI)

RS 44 - Taquan Mizzel (UDFA BAL/CHI 2017)


Active Roster Count - Total: 51; Offense: 24; Defense: 25; Kicking: 4; Practice Squad: 10


Reserve/Injured

45 - Garrett Griffin

51 - Colton Jumper (FA 2019)

54 - Josh Martin (FA 2019)

63 - Cameron Tom (ERFA 2019)

47 - Alex Anzalone

18 - Keith Kirkwood

55 - Kaden Elliss (R7P30, #244)


Reserve/Non-Football Injury

54 - Chase Hansen (UDFA 2019)


KEY:

Projected Starter

Free Agent (FA 2019)

Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA 2019)

Reserve/Futures Contract (RFC 2019)

Rookie Draft Pick (R#,P#)

Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA 2019)

Injured, Injured/Reserve, Injured/PUP

jeanpierre 11-09-2019 02:49 AM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 

jeanpierre 11-10-2019 11:12 AM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2019 New Orleans Saints – Week 10: New Orleans Saints vs Atlanta Falcons

OFFENSE

QB (3) 9 – Drew Brees *FP (Thumb Sx), 5 - Teddy Bridgewater (FA 2019), 7 - Taysom Hill

RB (3) 41 - Alvin Kamara *FP (Knee, Ankle), 28 - Latavius Murray (FA 2019), 27 - Dwayne Washington

FB (1) 42 - Zach Line

WR-X (1) 13 - Michael Thomas

WR-S (2) 81 - Krishawn Hogan (FA 2019), 80 - Austin Carr\INACTIVE

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead *DNP (Illness), 73 - Ethan Greenidge (UDFA 2019)\INACTIVE

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 64 - Will Clapp

C (2) 78 - Erik McCoy (R2P16, #48), 62 - Nick Easton (FA 2019)\INACTIVE

RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 60 - Patrick Omameh (FA 2019)

RT (1) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk

TE (3) 89 - Josh Hill *LP (Calf), 87 - Jared Cook (FA 2019) *FP (Knee), 85 - Dan Arnold (FA 2019)\INACTIVE

WR-Z (2) 19 - Ted Ginn, 10 - Tra'Quan Smith *FP (Ankle)

DEFENSE

RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport, 96 - Carl Granderson (UDFA 2019)\INACTIVE

NT (2) 90 - Malcolm Brown (FA 2019), 99 - Shy Tuttle (UDFA 2019)

DT3 (3) 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata, 97 - Mario Edwards, Jr. (FA 2019)

LDE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 91 - Trey Hendrickson

WLB (2) 56 - DeMario Davis, 52 - Craig Robertson (FA 2019)

MLB (1) 54 - Kiko Alonso (Trade MIA)

SLB (2) 53 - A.J. Klein, 58 - Stephone Anthony (FA 2019)

RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 34 - Justin Hardee (ERFA 2019)

NCB (3) 22 - Chauncey Gardner (R4P3, #105), 26 - P.J. Williams (FA 2019), 21 - Patrick Robinson *LP (Hamstrung)\INACTIVE

FS (2) 43 - Marcus A. Williams, 33 - Saquan Hampton (R6P4, #177)\INACTIVE

SS (2) 24 - Vonn Bell, 48 - J.T. Gray

LCB (2) 25 - Eli Apple, 29 - Johnson Bademosi (FA - 2019)


KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz (RFA 2019)

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood (ERFA 2019)

RS (1) 11 - Deonte Harris (UDFA 2019)


Practice Squad

LG 68 - Derrick Kelly (UDFA 2019)

RG 65 - John Leglue (UDFA DEN 2019)

TE 86 - Jason Vander Laan (FA NE 2019)

WR 17 - Emmanuel Butler (UDFA 2019)

WR 84 - Lil’Jordan Humphrey (UDFA 2019)

DE 70 - Mitchell Loewen (FA 2019)

NT 95 - Taylor Stallworth (FA 2019)

FS 32 - T. J. Green (FA 2019)

FS 36 - Trae Elston (FA 2019 NO/TB/CLE/BUF/PHI/BUF/MIA/PHI)

RS 44 - Taquan Mizzel (UDFA BAL/CHI 2017)


Active Roster Count - Total: 51; Offense: 24; Defense: 25; Kicking: 4; Practice Squad: 10


Reserve/Injured

45 - Garrett Griffin

51 - Colton Jumper (FA 2019)

54 - Josh Martin (FA 2019)

63 - Cameron Tom (ERFA 2019)

47 - Alex Anzalone

18 - Keith Kirkwood

55 - Kaden Elliss (R7P30, #244)


Reserve/Non-Football Injury

54 - Chase Hansen (UDFA 2019)


KEY:

Projected Starter

Free Agent (FA 2019)

Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA 2019)

Reserve/Futures Contract (RFC 2019)

Rookie Draft Pick (R#,P#)

Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA 2019)

Injured, Injured/Reserve, Injured/PUP

ChrisXVI 11-10-2019 11:15 AM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
WR Krishawn Hogan active over Austin Carr... interesting. Excited to see his progress.

jeanpierre 11-10-2019 11:27 AM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 866456)
WR Krishawn Hogan active over Austin Carr... interesting. Excited to see his progress.

KMajor right now..

https://media.giphy.com/media/IgFrYu...J3rm/giphy.gif

ChrisXVI 11-10-2019 11:35 AM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Supposedly Hogan really caught the attention of Andrew Luck with the Colts before he retired. Sean Payton appears to have noticed something too.

ChrisXVI 11-10-2019 05:03 PM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
I’m so down on that draft move for Marcus Davenport now. We could have AJ Brown, N’Keal Harry, DK Metcalf, etc. out there opposite MT if we had that first round pick.

dizzle88 11-10-2019 05:05 PM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 866839)
I’m so down on that draft move for Marcus Davenport now. We could have AJ Brown, N’Keal Harry, DK Metcalf, etc. out there opposite MT if we had that first round pick.

Absolutely, Marcus is invisible most games.

ChrisXVI 11-13-2019 05:09 PM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 

That’s good to hear... There were times last season that he showed more promise than Tre’Quan.

K Major 11-14-2019 07:32 AM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Tre'quan Smith had 1 catch for 13 yards vs a so call bad ATL team. 1 catch from your third rounder.

Meanwhile his draft mate from Dallas Michael Gallup (on pace for 1k receiving) had 4 catches / 76 yards and a TD vs MINN.

Anyone still believe that we don't have a WR #2, #3 concern in New Orleans?

K Major 11-14-2019 07:55 AM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 867304)
https://twitter.com/kat_terrell/stat...48612124782594

That’s good to hear... There were times last season that he showed more promise than Tre’Quan.

Good.

Hopefully he can suit up/line up and produce starting next week. Austin Carr has brought absolutely nothing to the table. Nothing.

AsylumGuido 11-14-2019 08:17 AM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 867337)
Tre'quan Smith had 1 catch for 13 yards vs a so call bad ATL team. 1 catch from your third rounder.

Meanwhile his draft mate from Dallas Michael Gallup (on pace for 1k receiving) had 4 catches / 76 yards and a TD vs MINN.

Anyone still believe that we don't have a WR #2, #3 concern in New Orleans?

I will admit that you are correct. Atlanta knew that 1.) we had no one beyond Thomas who could successfully find an open spot, 2.) catch the ball consistently, and 3.) block successfully even a basic four man rush (for whatever reason). They completely took away our running game as an option knowing that our passing attack was limited even with minimal pressure. If we had a couple more reasonable threats at WR they would not have been able to sell out to stop the run. The Saints have always been their best under Payton when they were able to execute the pass to set up the run, not vise versa.

jeanpierre 11-14-2019 08:34 AM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 867304)
That’s good to hear... There were times last season that he showed more promise than Tre’Quan.

His injury is still a mystery to me; loved what the guy showed last camp, phenomenal hands, exceptional catch radius, adequate speed...

But this durability thing is a problem...

AsylumGuido 11-14-2019 08:39 AM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 867345)
https://twitter.com/kat_terrell/stat...48612124782594



His injury is still a mystery to me; loved what the guy showed last camp, phenomenal hands, exceptional catch radius, adequate speed...

But this durability thing is a problem...

Let's hope this is why we were more active in the WR trade market.

K Major 11-14-2019 09:01 AM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Can't Guard Mike is getting over 60% of the targets thus far. That is an incredible, mind boggling number to me.

What other team in the league has that type of disparity ??

Other guys must step up vs Tampa. I hope the emphasis all week was route running. IMO we'll never see the O line play that poorly in a game. We're better than that.

st thomas 11-14-2019 09:04 AM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 867304)
https://twitter.com/kat_terrell/stat...48612124782594

That’s good to hear... There were times last season that he showed more promise than Tre’Quan.



Is he the step up guy, the missing link? Is he the reason we didn’t pull the trigger in trade.


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jeanpierre 11-14-2019 09:12 AM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2019 New Orleans Saints – Week 10: New Orleans Saints @ Tampa Bay Buccaneers

OFFENSE

QB (3) 9 – Drew Brees, 5 - Teddy Bridgewater (FA 2019), 7 - Taysom Hill

RB (3) 41 - Alvin Kamara, 28 - Latavius Murray (FA 2019), 27 - Dwayne Washington

FB (1) 42 - Zach Line *LP (Knee)

WR-X (1) 13 - Michael Thomas

WR-S (2) 81 - Krishawn Hogan (FA 2019), 80 - Austin Carr

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead *DNP (Illness), 73 - Ethan Greenidge (UDFA 2019)

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat *OUT (Forearm Fx), 64 - Will Clapp

C (2) 78 - Erik McCoy (R2P16, #48), 62 - Nick Easton (FA 2019)

RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 60 - Patrick Omameh (FA 2019)

RT (1) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk

TE (3) 87 - Jared Cook (FA 2019), 89 - Josh Hill, 85 - Dan Arnold (FA 2019)

WR-Z (2) 19 - Ted Ginn, 10 - Tra'Quan Smith

DEFENSE

RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport, 96 - Carl Granderson (UDFA 2019)

NT (2) 90 - Malcolm Brown (FA 2019), 99 - Shy Tuttle (UDFA 2019)

DT3 (3) 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata, 97 - Mario Edwards, Jr. (FA 2019)

LDE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 91 - Trey Hendrickson

WLB (2) 56 - DeMario Davis, 52 - Craig Robertson (FA 2019)

MLB (1) 54 - Kiko Alonso (Trade MIA)

SLB (2) 53 - A.J. Klein, 58 - Stephone Anthony (FA 2019)

RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore *DNP (Hamstring), 34 - Justin Hardee (ERFA 2019)

NCB (3) 22 - Chauncey Gardner (R4P3, #105), 26 - P.J. Williams (FA 2019), 21 - Patrick Robinson *LP (Hamstrung)

FS (2) 43 - Marcus A. Williams, 33 - Saquan Hampton (R6P4, #177)

SS (2) 24 - Vonn Bell, 48 - J.T. Gray

LCB (2) 25 - Eli Apple, 29 - Johnson Bademosi (FA - 2019)


KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz (RFA 2019)

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood (ERFA 2019)

RS (1) 11 - Deonte Harris (UDFA 2019) *DNP (Hamstring)


Practice Squad

LG 68 - Derrick Kelly (UDFA 2019)

RG 65 - John Leglue (UDFA DEN 2019)

TE 86 - Jason Vander Laan (FA NE 2019)

WR 17 - Emmanuel Butler (UDFA 2019)

WR 84 - Lil’Jordan Humphrey (UDFA 2019)

DE 70 - Mitchell Loewen (FA 2019)

NT 95 - Taylor Stallworth (FA 2019)

FS 32 - T. J. Green (FA 2019)

FS 36 - Trae Elston (FA 2019 NO/TB/CLE/BUF/PHI/BUF/MIA/PHI)

RS 44 - Taquan Mizzel (UDFA BAL/CHI 2017)


Active Roster Count - Total: 51; Offense: 24; Defense: 25; Kicking: 4; Practice Squad: 10


Reserve/Injured

45 - Garrett Griffin

51 - Colton Jumper (FA 2019)

54 - Josh Martin (FA 2019)

63 - Cameron Tom (ERFA 2019)

47 - Alex Anzalone

18 - Keith Kirkwood

55 - Kaden Elliss (R7P30, #244)


Reserve/Non-Football Injury

54 - Chase Hansen (UDFA 2019)


KEY:

Projected Starter

Free Agent (FA 2019)

Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA 2019)

Reserve/Futures Contract (RFC 2019)

Rookie Draft Pick (R#,P#)

Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA 2019)

Injured, Injured/Reserve, Injured/PUP

blackangold 11-14-2019 09:26 AM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 867340)
I will admit that you are correct. Atlanta knew that 1.) we had no one beyond Thomas who could successfully find an open spot, 2.) catch the ball consistently, and 3.) block successfully even a basic four man rush (for whatever reason). They completely took away our running game as an option knowing that our passing attack was limited even with minimal pressure. If we had a couple more reasonable threats at WR they would not have been able to sell out to stop the run. The Saints have always been their best under Payton when they were able to execute the pass to set up the run, not vise versa.

They didn't sell out to stop the run, we never tried running the ball. We had 10 rushing attempts all game and averaged more than 4ypc... it was a coaching decision to not run the ball. I have heard the excuse that we were behind so it forced us to pass, but I discount that, we were within 1 score until the 4th QTR.

AsylumGuido 11-14-2019 09:29 AM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 867358)
They didn't sell out to stop the run, we never tried running the ball. We had 10 rushing attempts all game and averaged more than 4ypc... it was a coaching decision to not run the ball. I have heard the excuse that we were behind so it forced us to pass, but I discount that, we were within 1 score until the 4th QTR.

Read this post:

http://blackandgold.com/saints/96007...tml#post867357

It will explain.

K Major 11-14-2019 09:31 AM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 867358)
They didn't sell out to stop the run, we never tried running the ball. We had 10 rushing attempts all game and averaged more than 4ypc... it was a coaching decision to not run the ball. I have heard the excuse that we were behind so it forced us to pass, but I discount that, we were within 1 score until the 4th QTR.

Just to piggy back on this ....


Latavius has had 2 games against good defenses where he's had over 120 yards of total offense yet in the ATL game, he rarely touched the ball.

I'm not really sure what Coach was trying to prove here.

Passing the ball 40+ times when you don't have to was asking for a L.

AsylumGuido 11-14-2019 09:40 AM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 867362)
Just to piggy back on this ....


Latavius has had 2 games against good defenses where he's had over 120 yards of total offense yet in the ATL game, he rarely touched the ball.

I'm not really sure what Coach was trying to prove here.

Passing the ball 40+ times when you don't have to was asking for a L.

Murray had more rush attempts than any other Saint in the game. He had five carries for 12 yards. Kamara had four attempts for 24 yards with eight of those coming on one play. Taysom had one attempt for 11 yards and Ginn had one carry for five yards.

And who says they didn't have to pass the ball? If the defensive looks showed that a running play had little or no chance of success what do you gain by running it? Atlanta was daring the Saints to pass the ball. If Ginn and Smith had made a few catches on balls thrown right into their hands then maybe we could have had more opportunities to actually run the ball. As I mentioned earlier, Payton's offense has always been one where the pass set up the run, not the other way around. We are not built to pound the ball, especially with a seemingly crippled offensive line that game.

K Major 11-14-2019 09:47 AM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 867365)
Murray had more rush attempts than any other Saint in the game. He had five carries for 12 yards. Kamara had four attempts for 24 yards with eight of those coming on one play. Taysom had one attempt for 11 yards and Ginn had one carry for five yards.

5 carries all game for a volume back. That's crazy.

No excuses. Get it done vs Tampa.

AsylumGuido 11-14-2019 09:56 AM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 867371)
5 carries all game for a volume back. That's crazy.

No excuses. Get it done vs Tampa.

If they thought a run would have worked they would have gone with the run. You know they didn't go into the game expecting to run the ball with your backs only nine times. But the defense dictates the offense. The run wasn't working. Picking up two yards per carry (Murray) will lead to three and out every time. If you come to the line and the defense is set to stop the run the smart thing is to switch to the pass version. Of course, it helps if the line can hold a block and the receiver could actually catch the ball.

Normally the line holds long enough for Brees to find the open man. That was not the case this Sunday.

blackangold 11-14-2019 11:24 AM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 867361)

I understand and agree with the premise, but we were having success running the ball at 4.7 ypc, AK was getting 6 yards a pop. It was a coaching call that was not dictated by the ATL defense, and with a banged up or sick offensive line we should have put an emphasis on the run game.

Edit, as you have addressed it in other posts:
ATL ran the ball less effectively, their top backs averaging 3.8 and 3.1 YPC, but they stuck with the running game and wore our defense down going into the 4th QTR.

It felt like we swapped gameplans with ATL for one week...

This has been a run first team for the last 3 seasons and it needs to continue if we are going to have success.

AsylumGuido 11-14-2019 01:29 PM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 867410)
I understand and agree with the premise, but we were having success running the ball at 4.7 ypc, AK was getting 6 yards a pop. It was a coaching call that was not dictated by the ATL defense, and with a banged up or sick offensive line we should have put an emphasis on the run game.

Edit, as you have addressed it in other posts:
ATL ran the ball less effectively, their top backs averaging 3.8 and 3.1 YPC, but they stuck with the running game and wore our defense down going into the 4th QTR.

It felt like we swapped gameplans with ATL for one week...

This has been a run first team for the last 3 seasons and it needs to continue if we are going to have success.

That 4.7 yards per carry included an 11 yarder from Taysom Hill and five yards from Ginn. Kamara's longest carry (8 yards) and Murray's longest run (6 yards) came on back to back plays in the first quarter. Looking at the game log I see that the running game was replaced by a number of short passes, which have always been an extension of the run game for the Saints offense. Those short passes were no more effective than the running game.

The Falcons offense was stopped on several occasions only to be bailed out on those defensive hands to the face penalties. They were afforded the ability to stick to the run and run the clock with the lead.

K Major 11-14-2019 02:45 PM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 867419)
That 4.7 yards per carry included an 11 yarder from Taysom Hill and five yards from Ginn. Kamara's longest carry (8 yards) and Murray's longest run (6 yards) came on back to back plays in the first quarter. Looking at the game log I see that the running game was replaced by a number of short passes, which have always been an extension of the run game for the Saints offense. Those short passes were no more effective than the running game.

Tampa D is currently ranked #1 vs the run.

Does that mean the game plan is to throw it 40 + times on Sunday?

AsylumGuido 11-14-2019 02:53 PM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 867430)
Tampa D is currently ranked #1 vs the run.

Does that mean the game plan is to throw it 40 + times on Sunday?

Given the fact that Tampa's D is currently ranked #32 versus the pass it would make sense.

;)

K Major 11-14-2019 03:20 PM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 867437)
Given the fact that Tampa's D is currently ranked #32 versus the pass it would make sense.

;)


That's not really saying a whole lot given the fact that Atlanta was ranked 26th against the pass heading into last week's game.

Saints had 9 points last week.

AsylumGuido 11-14-2019 03:52 PM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 867441)
That's not really saying a whole lot given the fact that Atlanta was ranked 26th against the pass heading into last week's game.

Saints had 9 points last week.

I look at that as an anomaly. We know for a fact our elite left tackle was suffering from the flu and now it seems that others on the offensive line may have been affected, as well. Our competent LG breaks his arm 22 snaps into the game. The Falcons came in more focused and motivated for one reason or another. I don't think we can take anything away from that game that tells us what to expect moving forward ... except ... what you have been preaching all along ... we need someone other than Thomas that can be trusted to make plays and catch the ball at WR. Hopefully Kirkwood can be that person. Or Dez, perhaps.

rezburna 11-14-2019 04:15 PM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 867443)
I look at that as an anomaly. We know for a fact our elite left tackle was suffering from the flu and now it seems that others on the offensive line may have been affected, as well. Our competent LG breaks his arm 22 snaps into the game. The Falcons came in more focused and motivated for one reason or another. I don't think we can take anything away from that game that tells us what to expect moving forward ... except ... what you have been preaching all along ... we need someone other than Thomas that can be trusted to make plays and catch the ball at WR. Hopefully Kirkwood can be that person. Or Dez, perhaps.

I want Dez, OG.

Utah_Saint 11-14-2019 07:21 PM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 867352)
Can't Guard Mike is getting over 60% of the targets thus far. That is an incredible, mind boggling number to me.

What other team in the league has that type of disparity ??

Other guys must step up vs Tampa. I hope the emphasis all week was route running. IMO we'll never see the O line play that poorly in a game. We're better than that.

Are you proposing we throw the ball more than we do now or do we take passes away from Thomas and give them to the young guys? Cause I can't say that I agree with either idea.

CGM is the best receiver in the NFL right now. He has an 85% completion percentage so he's almost a sure thing every throw. And he has the 2nd highest YAC among wide receivers, 359 yards. We've played some pretty good defenses and nobody's shut him down yet. Just my opinion, but you feed him as much as you can.


And I don't think passing more is a good idea. So far this season we're 334 pass/223 rush. I think most of us would agree, they have more success when they're more balanced. I'd like to see Murray and Kamara in the line up together more often.

Just my opinion.

jeanpierre 11-14-2019 07:41 PM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 867462)
Are you proposing we throw the ball more than we do now or do we take passes away from Thomas and give them to the young guys? Cause I can't say that I agree with either idea.

CGM is the best receiver in the NFL right now. He has an 85% completion percentage so he's almost a sure thing every throw. And he has the 2nd highest YAC among wide receivers, 359 yards. We've played some pretty good defenses and nobody's shut him down yet. Just my opinion, but you feed him as much as you can.


And I don't think passing more is a good idea. So far this season we're 334 pass/223 rush. I think most of us would agree, they have more success when they're more balanced. I'd like to see Murray and Kamara in the line up together more often.

Just my opinion.


Not speaking for KMajor, but I do believe our QBs completion rate and our 3rd Down conversion rate, as well as our Red Zone Efficiency are not what they could be because of a lack of Total Receiving Production...

You're absolutely right about @CantGuardMike's efficiency (have had him in nearly every fantasy team in every league the past two years, so I follow him closely), even he's not open on every Saints Offensive Snap...

And I dare say he'd probably have more Big Plays if he wasn't being double, tripled-teamed as he is; and Payton has pulled the best compensated, and best WR in the NFL on several red zone trips...

Ginn can't run a route to save his life, and he's dropping easy ones now...

Kirkwood went down like a stealth fighter, and I'm still not sure of his injury...

Tre'Quan has flashed, rarely, and is looking more like a bust every week...

Jared Cook should be on a milk carton, and I don't see him turning it around...

Josh Hill has made some fine plays, and yet he still can't get a larger role from Payton...

And I totally agree about running the ball more...

But Payton seems to have been slow to trusting Murray with more opportunities - this really p*sses me off because we let groomed, developed, known value in Ingram go for less when we had terrific balance??

K Major 11-14-2019 08:14 PM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 867462)
Are you proposing we throw the ball more than we do now or do we take passes away from Thomas and give them to the young guys? Cause I can't say that I agree with either idea.

CGM is the best receiver in the NFL right now. He has an 85% completion percentage so he's almost a sure thing every throw. And he has the 2nd highest YAC among wide receivers, 359 yards. We've played some pretty good defenses and nobody's shut him down yet. Just my opinion, but you feed him as much as you can.


And I don't think passing more is a good idea. So far this season we're 334 pass/223 rush. I think most of us would agree, they have more success when they're more balanced. I'd like to see Murray and Kamara in the line up together more often.

Just my opinion.

As long as MT13 is healthy, we are fine... If he missed ANY TIME AT ALL... we pretty much lose all of our production at the Wide Receiver position. That is unacceptable, and is way beyond time we addressed it. We'd become a better team with a #2.

Smith and Kirkwood are not reliable based on history of injuries.

Playoff time comes, def coordinators will take away Mike and that's a fact. See NFCCG with a trip to the Super Bowl on the line of last year.

jeanpierre 11-15-2019 11:02 AM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2019 New Orleans Saints – Week 11: New Orleans Saints @ Tampa Bay Buccaneers

OFFENSE

QB (3) 9 – Drew Brees, 5 - Teddy Bridgewater (FA 2019), 7 - Taysom Hill

RB (3) 41 - Alvin Kamara, 28 - Latavius Murray (FA 2019), 27 - Dwayne Washington

FB (1) 42 - Zach Line *LP (Knee)

WR-X (1) 13 - Michael Thomas

WR-S (2) 81 - Krishawn Hogan (FA 2019), 80 - Austin Carr

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead *DNP (Illness), 73 - Ethan Greenidge (UDFA 2019)

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat *OUT (Forearm Fx), 64 - Will Clapp

C (2) 78 - Erik McCoy (R2P16, #48), 62 - Nick Easton (FA 2019)

RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 60 - Patrick Omameh (FA 2019)

RT (1) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk

TE (3) 87 - Jared Cook (FA 2019), 89 - Josh Hill, 85 - Dan Arnold (FA 2019)

WR-Z (2) 19 - Ted Ginn, 10 - Tra'Quan Smith

DEFENSE

RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport, 96 - Carl Granderson (UDFA 2019)

NT (2) 90 - Malcolm Brown (FA 2019), 99 - Shy Tuttle (UDFA 2019)

DT3 (3) 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata, 97 - Mario Edwards, Jr. (FA 2019)

LDE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 91 - Trey Hendrickson

WLB (2) 56 - DeMario Davis, 52 - Craig Robertson (FA 2019)

MLB (1) 54 - Kiko Alonso (Trade MIA)

SLB (2) 53 - A.J. Klein, 58 - Stephone Anthony (FA 2019)

RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore *DNP (Hamstring), 34 - Justin Hardee (ERFA 2019)

NCB (3) 22 - Chauncey Gardner (R4P3, #105), 26 - P.J. Williams (FA 2019), 21 - Patrick Robinson *LP (Hamstrung)

FS (2) 43 - Marcus A. Williams, 33 - Saquan Hampton (R6P4, #177)

SS (2) 24 - Vonn Bell, 48 - J.T. Gray

LCB (2) 25 - Eli Apple, 29 - Johnson Bademosi (FA - 2019)


KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz (RFA 2019)

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood (ERFA 2019)

RS (1) 11 - Deonte Harris (UDFA 2019) *DNP (Hamstring)


Practice Squad

LG 68 - Derrick Kelly (UDFA 2019)

RG 65 - John Leglue (UDFA DEN 2019)

TE 86 - Jason Vander Laan (FA NE 2019)

WR 17 - Emmanuel Butler (UDFA 2019)

WR 84 - Lil’Jordan Humphrey (UDFA 2019)

DE 70 - Mitchell Loewen (FA 2019)

NT 95 - Taylor Stallworth (FA 2019)

FS 32 - T. J. Green (FA 2019)

FS 36 - Trae Elston (FA 2019 NO/TB/CLE/BUF/PHI/BUF/MIA/PHI)

RS 44 - Taquan Mizzel (UDFA BAL/CHI 2017)


Active Roster Count - Total: 51; Offense: 24; Defense: 25; Kicking: 4; Practice Squad: 10


Reserve/Injured

45 - Garrett Griffin

51 - Colton Jumper (FA 2019)

54 - Josh Martin (FA 2019)

63 - Cameron Tom (ERFA 2019)

47 - Alex Anzalone

18 - Keith Kirkwood

55 - Kaden Elliss (R7P30, #244)


Reserve/Non-Football Injury

54 - Chase Hansen (UDFA 2019)


KEY:

Projected Starter

Free Agent (FA 2019)

Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA 2019)

Reserve/Futures Contract (RFC 2019)

Rookie Draft Pick (R#,P#)

Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA 2019)

Injured, Injured/Reserve, Injured/PUP

jeanpierre 11-17-2019 07:35 PM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2019 New Orleans Saints – Week 11: New Orleans Saints @ Tampa Bay Buccaneers

OFFENSE

QB (3) 9 – Drew Brees, 5 - Teddy Bridgewater (FA 2019), 7 - Taysom Hill

RB (3) 41 - Alvin Kamara, 28 - Latavius Murray (FA 2019), 27 - Dwayne Washington

FB (1) 42 - Zach Line *LP (Knee)

WR-X (1) 13 - Michael Thomas

WR-S (2) 81 - Krishawn Hogan (FA 2019), 80 - Austin Carr \INACTIVE

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead, 73 - Ethan Greenidge (UDFA 2019) \INACTIVE

LG (2) 62 - Nick Easton (FA 2019), 75 - Andrus Peat *OUT (Forearm Fx) \INACTIVE

C (2) 78 - Erik McCoy (R2P16, #48), 64 - Will Clapp

RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 60 - Patrick Omameh (FA 2019)

RT (1) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk

TE (3) 87 - Jared Cook (FA 2019), 89 - Josh Hill, 85 - Dan Arnold (FA 2019) \INACTIVE

WR-Z (2) 19 - Ted Ginn, 10 - Tra'Quan Smith

DEFENSE

RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport, 96 - Carl Granderson (UDFA 2019) \INACTIVE

NT (2) 90 - Malcolm Brown (FA 2019), 99 - Shy Tuttle (UDFA 2019)

DT3 (3) 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata, 97 - Mario Edwards, Jr. (FA 2019)

LDE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 91 - Trey Hendrickson

WLB (2) 56 - DeMario Davis *LP (Hamstring), 52 - Craig Robertson (FA 2019)

MLB (1) 54 - Kiko Alonso (Trade MIA)

SLB (2) 53 - A.J. Klein, 58 - Stephone Anthony (FA 2019)

RCB (2) 26 - P.J. Williams (FA 2019), 23 - Marshon Lattimore *DNP (Hamstring) \INACTIVE

NCB (3) 22 - Chauncey Gardner (R4P3, #105), 21 - Patrick Robinson *FP (Hamstrung), 34 - Justin Hardee (ERFA 2019)

FS (2) 43 - Marcus A. Williams, 33 - Saquan Hampton (R6P4, #177)

SS (2) 24 - Vonn Bell, 48 - J.T. Gray

LCB (2) 25 - Eli Apple, 29 - Johnson Bademosi (FA - 2019)


KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz (RFA 2019)

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood (ERFA 2019)

RS (1) 11 - Deonte Harris (UDFA 2019) *DNP (Hamstring) \INACTIVE


Practice Squad

LG 68 - Derrick Kelly (UDFA 2019)

RG 65 - John Leglue (UDFA DEN 2019)

TE 86 - Jason Vander Laan (FA NE 2019)

WR 17 - Emmanuel Butler (UDFA 2019)

WR 84 - Lil’Jordan Humphrey (UDFA 2019)

DE 70 - Mitchell Loewen (FA 2019)

NT 95 - Taylor Stallworth (FA 2019)

FS 32 - T. J. Green (FA 2019)

FS 36 - Trae Elston (FA 2019 NO/TB/CLE/BUF/PHI/BUF/MIA/PHI)

RS 44 - Taquan Mizzel (UDFA BAL/CHI 2017)


Active Roster Count - Total: 51; Offense: 24; Defense: 25; Kicking: 4; Practice Squad: 10


Reserve/Injured

45 - Garrett Griffin

51 - Colton Jumper (FA 2019)

54 - Josh Martin (FA 2019)

63 - Cameron Tom (ERFA 2019)

47 - Alex Anzalone

18 - Keith Kirkwood

55 - Kaden Elliss (R7P30, #244)


Reserve/Non-Football Injury

54 - Chase Hansen (UDFA 2019)


KEY:

Projected Starter

Free Agent (FA 2019)

Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA 2019)

Reserve/Futures Contract (RFC 2019)

Rookie Draft Pick (R#,P#)

Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA 2019)

Injured, Injured/Reserve, Injured/PUP

K Major 11-18-2019 10:49 AM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
62 - Nick Easton (FA 2019)

With Andrus Peat out the next month + (6-8 weeks) or so this will be a great audition for Nick. He already has one solid performance against a stout Tampa Bay run D under his belt.

jeanpierre 11-18-2019 01:41 PM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 868062)
62 - Nick Easton (FA 2019)

With Andrus Peat out the next month + (6-8 weeks) or so this will be a great audition for Nick. He already has one solid performance against a stout Tampa Bay run D under his belt.

You don't say... ;)


K Major 11-18-2019 03:11 PM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
18 - Keith Kirkwood

Never thought I'd say this but I'm looking forward to Keith's return.

Surely he can make a play or two & keep a drive going catching the football.

Tre Smith stats vs the Bucs ... 0 REC 0 YDS but he's a great blocker :rolleyes:.

ChrisXVI 11-18-2019 03:28 PM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 868086)

He really did look excellent. I was shocked. Can’t wait to see how he does the rest of the season. We could already have Peat’s replacement for next season at half the price.

jeanpierre 11-18-2019 04:02 PM

Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 868115)
18 - Keith Kirkwood

Never thought I'd say this but I'm looking forward to Keith's return.

Surely he can make a play or two & keep a drive going catching the football.

Tre Smith stats vs the Bucs ... 0 REC 0 YDS but he's a great blocker :rolleyes:.

We've got that in 81 - Krishawn Hogan (FA 2019) - considering the holding calls on Jared Cook (yes, ticky-tack or naught, it was holding), he's a positive before catching a ball!!!


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