2019 Saints NFL Draft

ChrisXVI · 03-31-2019, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

This is a better interface draft simulator, doesn't come with the upgrade option to trade picks (which is part of draft simulation when players fall)...

The Draft Network - Mock Draft Machine

Love their Mock Draft Machine! It’s the only one I use now. Love the fact that you can select for all teams. That’s a real lesson in futility when you try going all the way to our pick at 62.

jeanpierre · 03-31-2019, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Love their Mock Draft Machine! It’s the only one I use now. Love the fact that you can select for all teams. That’s a real lesson in futility when you try going all the way to our pick at 62.

Prep for the frustration this draft will have for Saints fans watching other teams get better, reloading...

ChrisXVI · 03-31-2019, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Prep for the frustration this draft will have for Saints fans watching other teams get better, reloading...

No kidding. I did a quick two-round mock picking for the NFC South teams and they get significantly better while we just grab a deep threat:

Round 1

5. Buccaneers- LB Devin White (LSU)

14. Falcons- DE Brian Burns (FSU)

16. Panthers- DE Clelin Ferrell (Clemson)

Round 2

39. Buccaneers- CB Rock Ya-Sin (Temple)

45. Falcons- OG Chris Lindstrom (Boston College)

47. Panthers- S Deionte Thompson (Alabama)

62. Saints- WR Emmanuel Hall (Missouri)

AsylumGuido · 03-31-2019, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

No kidding. I did a quick two-round mock picking for the NFC South teams and they get significantly better while we just grab a deep threat:

Round 1

5. Buccaneers- LB Devin White (LSU)

14. Falcons- DE Brian Burns (FSU)

16. Panthers- DE Clelin Ferrell (Clemson)

Round 2

39. Buccaneers- CB Rock Ya-Sin (Temple)

45. Falcons- OG Chris Lindstrom (Boston College)

47. Panthers- S Deionte Thompson (Alabama)

62. Saints- WR Emmanuel Hall (Missouri)

But there is no guarantee that any of those players will translate to what it takes to succeed in the NFL. These teams have all let good veteran players go to free agency. Will they truly improve as a final product?

jeanpierre · 03-31-2019, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

But there is no guarantee that any of those players will translate to what it takes to succeed in the NFL. These teams have all let good veteran players go to free agency. Will they truly improve as a final product?

Guido, Patriots, Steelers, Ravens are teams that always seem to bounce back in an "off year" and constantly reload for a run, check appearances in conference championships...

They've got excellent scouting divisions and those coaches trust the draft process and they've got better winning percentages, division, conference, league championships...

We've got a great personnel man in Jeff Ireland, Saints FO needs to back off and let this man collect and reload talent...

We keep trading up constantly making a splash, and even then we're barely hitting 50-50 doing it that way - and we're getting fewer talented players...

Stop the Insanity, Sean, Stop the Insanity...

AsylumGuido · 04-01-2019, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Guido, Patriots, Steelers, Ravens are teams that always seem to bounce back in an "off year" and constantly reload for a run, check appearances in conference championships...

They've got excellent scouting divisions and those coaches trust the draft process and they've got better winning percentages, division, conference, league championships...

We've got a great personnel man in Jeff Ireland, Saints FO needs to back off and let this man collect and reload talent...

We keep trading up constantly making a splash, and even then we're barely hitting 50-50 doing it that way - and we're getting fewer talented players...

Stop the Insanity, Sean, Stop the Insanity...

The Patriots are not a good example, in my opinion. Yes, they often have a buttload of picks, but they also miss on those picks at a far greater percentage than most. They owe most of their success to being in a sorry division, thus perennially giving them excellent seeding in the post-season. They are also far more active in free agency than most.

As for word about this Oliver kid, or any other rookie, concerning what the Saints, or any other franchise, is thinking ... I don't believe any of it. You know this time of the off-season is the season for misinformation. If anything is leaked out it is most likely the furthest thing from what is actually being discussed. Besides, each team has a certain number of interviews/visits allotted and all franchises should be looking ahead to when this current crop of rookies become free agents in four years, or so.

jeanpierre · 04-02-2019, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The Patriots are not a good example, in my opinion. Yes, they often have a buttload of picks, but they also miss on those picks at a far greater percentage than most. They owe most of their success to being in a sorry division, thus perennially giving them excellent seeding in the post-season. They are also far more active in free agency than most.

As for word about this Oliver kid, or any other rookie, concerning what the Saints, or any other franchise, is thinking ... I don't believe any of it. You know this time of the off-season is the season for misinformation. If anything is leaked out it is most likely the furthest thing from what is actually being discussed. Besides, each team has a certain number of interviews/visits allotted and all franchises should be looking ahead to when this current crop of rookies become free agents in four years, or so.

Well I didn't think the Saints would spend two first round picks like they did, so I wouldn't put it past Bad Sean...

And so far as New England, you're saying what I'm saying, you've got to have plenty picks so you can get more hits in the draft - it's basic numbers...

It's better to have more bullets than not enough, which is exactly the position we find ourselves, again...

K Major · 04-01-2019, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

But there is no guarantee that any of those players will translate to what it takes to succeed in the NFL.

Precisely.

2017 Pats drafted 4 players, only one (Wise) made the team.
2018 Pats drafted 9 ...only 1 (Sony Michel) was a contributor.

The draft is a crap shoot.

AsylumGuido · 04-01-2019, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Precisely.

2017 Pats drafted 4 players, only one (Wise) made the team.
2018 Pats drafted 9 ...only 1 (Sony Michel) was a contributor.

The draft is a crap shoot.

I just got to this post, Major. This supports exactly what I was pointing out about the Patriots and their draft record.

Rugby Saint II · 03-31-2019, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Prep for the frustration this draft will have for Saints fans watching other teams get better, reloading...

The only frustrating thing will be having to watch Roger Godhell hug all the players like he cares about them.

I know we will probably trade up which means I'll have to watch the whole draft even with our limited picks. I don't want to miss out!

03-31-2019, 09:39 AM	#1
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Draft Originally Posted by jeanpierre This is a better interface draft simulator, doesn't come with the upgrade option to trade picks (which is part of draft simulation when players fall)... The Draft Network - Mock Draft Machine Love their Mock Draft Machine! It’s the only one I use now. Love the fact that you can select for all teams. That’s a real lesson in futility when you try going all the way to our pick at 62. jeanpierre likes this.

03-31-2019, 11:12 AM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Draft Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Love their Mock Draft Machine! It’s the only one I use now. Love the fact that you can select for all teams. That’s a real lesson in futility when you try going all the way to our pick at 62. Prep for the frustration this draft will have for Saints fans watching other teams get better, reloading... Rugby Saint II and ChrisXVI like this.

03-31-2019, 12:32 PM	#3
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Draft Originally Posted by jeanpierre Prep for the frustration this draft will have for Saints fans watching other teams get better, reloading... No kidding. I did a quick two-round mock picking for the NFC South teams and they get significantly better while we just grab a deep threat: Round 1 5. Buccaneers- LB Devin White (LSU) 14. Falcons- DE Brian Burns (FSU) 16. Panthers- DE Clelin Ferrell (Clemson) Round 2 39. Buccaneers- CB Rock Ya-Sin (Temple) 45. Falcons- OG Chris Lindstrom (Boston College) 47. Panthers- S Deionte Thompson (Alabama) 62. Saints- WR Emmanuel Hall (Missouri) jeanpierre likes this.

03-31-2019, 01:13 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Draft Originally Posted by ChrisXVI No kidding. I did a quick two-round mock picking for the NFC South teams and they get significantly better while we just grab a deep threat: Round 1 5. Buccaneers- LB Devin White (LSU) 14. Falcons- DE Brian Burns (FSU) 16. Panthers- DE Clelin Ferrell (Clemson) Round 2 39. Buccaneers- CB Rock Ya-Sin (Temple) 45. Falcons- OG Chris Lindstrom (Boston College) 47. Panthers- S Deionte Thompson (Alabama) 62. Saints- WR Emmanuel Hall (Missouri) But there is no guarantee that any of those players will translate to what it takes to succeed in the NFL. These teams have all let good veteran players go to free agency. Will they truly improve as a final product? K Major likes this.

03-31-2019, 04:19 PM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Draft Originally Posted by AsylumGuido But there is no guarantee that any of those players will translate to what it takes to succeed in the NFL. These teams have all let good veteran players go to free agency. Will they truly improve as a final product? Guido, Patriots, Steelers, Ravens are teams that always seem to bounce back in an "off year" and constantly reload for a run, check appearances in conference championships... They've got excellent scouting divisions and those coaches trust the draft process and they've got better winning percentages, division, conference, league championships... We've got a great personnel man in Jeff Ireland, Saints FO needs to back off and let this man collect and reload talent... We keep trading up constantly making a splash, and even then we're barely hitting 50-50 doing it that way - and we're getting fewer talented players... Stop the Insanity, Sean, Stop the Insanity...
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04-01-2019, 08:11 AM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Draft Originally Posted by jeanpierre Guido, Patriots, Steelers, Ravens are teams that always seem to bounce back in an "off year" and constantly reload for a run, check appearances in conference championships... They've got excellent scouting divisions and those coaches trust the draft process and they've got better winning percentages, division, conference, league championships... We've got a great personnel man in Jeff Ireland, Saints FO needs to back off and let this man collect and reload talent... We keep trading up constantly making a splash, and even then we're barely hitting 50-50 doing it that way - and we're getting fewer talented players... Stop the Insanity, Sean, Stop the Insanity... The Patriots are not a good example, in my opinion. Yes, they often have a buttload of picks, but they also miss on those picks at a far greater percentage than most. They owe most of their success to being in a sorry division, thus perennially giving them excellent seeding in the post-season. They are also far more active in free agency than most. As for word about this Oliver kid, or any other rookie, concerning what the Saints, or any other franchise, is thinking ... I don't believe any of it. You know this time of the off-season is the season for misinformation. If anything is leaked out it is most likely the furthest thing from what is actually being discussed. Besides, each team has a certain number of interviews/visits allotted and all franchises should be looking ahead to when this current crop of rookies become free agents in four years, or so. K Major likes this.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

04-02-2019, 06:20 AM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Draft Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The Patriots are not a good example, in my opinion. Yes, they often have a buttload of picks, but they also miss on those picks at a far greater percentage than most. They owe most of their success to being in a sorry division, thus perennially giving them excellent seeding in the post-season. They are also far more active in free agency than most. As for word about this Oliver kid, or any other rookie, concerning what the Saints, or any other franchise, is thinking ... I don't believe any of it. You know this time of the off-season is the season for misinformation. If anything is leaked out it is most likely the furthest thing from what is actually being discussed. Besides, each team has a certain number of interviews/visits allotted and all franchises should be looking ahead to when this current crop of rookies become free agents in four years, or so. Well I didn't think the Saints would spend two first round picks like they did, so I wouldn't put it past Bad Sean... And so far as New England, you're saying what I'm saying, you've got to have plenty picks so you can get more hits in the draft - it's basic numbers... It's better to have more bullets than not enough, which is exactly the position we find ourselves, again...

04-01-2019, 08:05 AM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,799 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Draft Originally Posted by AsylumGuido But there is no guarantee that any of those players will translate to what it takes to succeed in the NFL. Precisely. 2017 Pats drafted 4 players, only one (Wise) made the team. 2018 Pats drafted 9 ...only 1 (Sony Michel) was a contributor. The draft is a crap shoot. AsylumGuido likes this.

04-01-2019, 08:13 AM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Draft Originally Posted by K Major Precisely. 2017 Pats drafted 4 players, only one (Wise) made the team. 2018 Pats drafted 9 ...only 1 (Sony Michel) was a contributor. The draft is a crap shoot. I just got to this post, Major. This supports exactly what I was pointing out about the Patriots and their draft record.

03-31-2019, 12:46 PM	#10
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,133	Re: 2019 Saints NFL Draft Originally Posted by jeanpierre Prep for the frustration this draft will have for Saints fans watching other teams get better, reloading... The only frustrating thing will be having to watch Roger Godhell hug all the players like he cares about them. I know we will probably trade up which means I'll have to watch the whole draft even with our limited picks. I don't want to miss out!