Saints Re-Sign CB PJ Williams

voodooido · 04-03-2019, 10:13 AM

5 million for a cb thats 4th string and gets smoked every other play.

AsylumGuido · 04-03-2019, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

5 million for a cb thats 4th string and gets smoked every other play.

Five million isn't what it used to be even recently as ten years ago.

SmashMouth · 04-03-2019, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Five million isn't what it used to be even recently as ten years ago.

Tell that to the little people out there...

jeanpierre · 04-03-2019, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Still need another DE who can rotate in and effectively pressure the passer. I'm hoping Ansah comes to Nola after the draft.

Actually, Edwards was the starting DE in OAK across from Khalil Mack just a couple of years ago; he wasn't a great edge rusher, but was good for 4~6 sacks and decent pressure...

Edwards was signed before other edge rushers because of his versatility he brings as both a DT3 and SDE. In the depth chart excerpt I have here, you can kinda see where we are and illustrates my point...

DEFENSE

RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport, 99 - Mario Edwards, Jr. (FA 2019)

NT (2) 90 - Malcolm Brown (FA 2019), 76 - Taylor Stallworth

DT3 (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins (IR), 93 - David Onyemata, 99 - Tomasi Laulile (RFC 2019)

LDE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 91 - Trey Hendrickson

Now, the injury to Rankins and possible looming discipline for Onyemata jumps out immediately and is why Edwards was signed as he can play at that DT3 spot...

As things are, we have a three-man rotation at DE (Jordan, Davenport, Hendrickson) and a three-man rotation at DT/NT (Brown, Stallworth, Edwards) to start the season...

Anything Laulile, formerly a DE, can offer is lagñiappe in addition to the 3-man rotation among the DTs, but he's likely a camp body, practice squad development project...

Point I'd make is there's no guarantee Rankins makes it back for this season; and, Big O likely misses four (4) games; so we have need for a true pass rushing DT3 to reduce wear, tear...

While Edwards can rotate as a DT3, you still need a big DE end that can set that edge; my criticism of record of the Davenport trade set aside, Davenport has yet to play a full season as the starting DE...

For my money, I'd leave Edwards right where he is, taking pressure off of Davenport and making the DE position one of strength, elite depth as it was last season...

Let's focus on getting a DT3 who can come in with Big "O" and offer some pop now, rotate with Edwards the first four games (hopefully) and give us options downstream...

And if Rankins, who's been on IR/PUP every season of his career, doesn't fully recover, the team having a young DT3 has options with impending contract extensions on the horizon...

ChrisXVI · 04-03-2019, 04:43 PM

I’m not really sure why Onyemata would be suspended. He wasn’t arrested and he didn’t fail a drug test.

rezburna · 04-03-2019, 05:05 PM

He got better as the season went along. He’s decent in the slot. I think he found his spot.

jeanpierre · 04-04-2019, 02:26 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

I’m not really sure why Onyemata would be suspended. He wasn’t arrested and he didn’t fail a drug test.

Great Point.

First infraction involving League banned substances usual consequences entail that a player gets a warning notification, along with...

The player is put into the league evaluation and assessment system, a probation of sorts...

This includes league education of banned substances and recognizing substance abuse. Mandated abstinence not only from banned substances, but alcohol...

Upon completion of the League self-awareness, self-evaluation program, they are also strongly encouraged to do more community service with their down time as idle minds are the Devil's playground...

But the Big O can expect many last minute dates in the bathroom with a stranger that has a fetish for his piss for the rest of his playing career...

jeanpierre · 04-04-2019, 02:31 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

5 million for a cb thats 4th string and gets smoked every other play.

Look at what little draft capital we still have and how few quality CBs there are in this year's draft; not to mention what little was on the free agency market...

That offer was cash, one year, he's off the market, and Payton/Loomis just bought themselves of notable cap expense, another year to acquire either draft capital to replace him or next season's free agency...

At the end of the day, not many guys want to be a 4th CB on a team; he definitely improved as he got more snaps, opportunities and he already knows the system, locker room...

Crusader · 04-04-2019, 03:56 AM

Solid move. He knows the system and have chemistry with the other players. Should be able to keep improving.

Rugby Saint II · 04-04-2019, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Makes sense because with only one draft pick (currently) in the first one hundred-fifty picks, next not till 168th, and a small CB group in this draft class, we're not getting a talented CB unless one falls at 62...

Shore CB up now and focus on S, C, G, OT, TE, WR, LB, DE...

So this is where we are now in the Defensive Secondary:

RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 34 - Justin Hardee (ERFA 2019)

NCB (2) 21 - Patrick Robinson (IR), 35 - Marcus Sherels (FA 2019), 28 - Chris Campbell (RFC 2019)

FS (2) 43 - Marcus A. Williams, 31 - Chris Banjo (FA 2019)

SS (2) 24 - Vonn Bell, 48 - J.T. Gray

LCB (2) 25 - Eli Apple, 26 - P.J. Williams (FA 2019), 20 - Ken Crawley (RFA 2019)

I don't know much about Sherels besides he's a really good return man. I didn't even know he could play nickel corner. PJ Williams did a respectable job there last year and I'm glad he's back to keep growing in the system no matter where he plays when his name is called.

I feel good with him as a solid backup and five million is worth the peace of mind to me and apparently Loomis feels the same way.

04-03-2019, 10:13 AM	#11
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,766	Re: Saints Re-Sign CB PJ Williams 5 million for a cb thats 4th string and gets smoked every other play.
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04-03-2019, 12:03 PM	#12
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Saints Re-Sign CB PJ Williams Originally Posted by voodooido 5 million for a cb thats 4th string and gets smoked every other play. Five million isn't what it used to be even recently as ten years ago.

04-03-2019, 12:48 PM	#13
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,125 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Saints Re-Sign CB PJ Williams Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Five million isn't what it used to be even recently as ten years ago. Tell that to the little people out there... Crusader and jeanpierre like this.

04-03-2019, 03:14 PM	#14
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints Re-Sign CB PJ Williams Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Still need another DE who can rotate in and effectively pressure the passer. I'm hoping Ansah comes to Nola after the draft. Actually, Edwards was the starting DE in OAK across from Khalil Mack just a couple of years ago; he wasn't a great edge rusher, but was good for 4~6 sacks and decent pressure... Edwards was signed before other edge rushers because of his versatility he brings as both a DT3 and SDE. In the depth chart excerpt I have here, you can kinda see where we are and illustrates my point... DEFENSE RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport, 99 - Mario Edwards, Jr. (FA 2019) NT (2) 90 - Malcolm Brown (FA 2019), 76 - Taylor Stallworth DT3 (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins (IR), 93 - David Onyemata, 99 - Tomasi Laulile (RFC 2019) LDE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 91 - Trey Hendrickson Now, the injury to Rankins and possible looming discipline for Onyemata jumps out immediately and is why Edwards was signed as he can play at that DT3 spot... As things are, we have a three-man rotation at DE (Jordan, Davenport, Hendrickson) and a three-man rotation at DT/NT (Brown, Stallworth, Edwards) to start the season... Anything Laulile, formerly a DE, can offer is lagñiappe in addition to the 3-man rotation among the DTs, but he's likely a camp body, practice squad development project... Point I'd make is there's no guarantee Rankins makes it back for this season; and, Big O likely misses four (4) games; so we have need for a true pass rushing DT3 to reduce wear, tear... While Edwards can rotate as a DT3, you still need a big DE end that can set that edge; my criticism of record of the Davenport trade set aside, Davenport has yet to play a full season as the starting DE... For my money, I'd leave Edwards right where he is, taking pressure off of Davenport and making the DE position one of strength, elite depth as it was last season... Let's focus on getting a DT3 who can come in with Big "O" and offer some pop now, rotate with Edwards the first four games (hopefully) and give us options downstream... And if Rankins, who's been on IR/PUP every season of his career, doesn't fully recover, the team having a young DT3 has options with impending contract extensions on the horizon... foreverfan likes this.
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04-03-2019, 04:43 PM	#15
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04-03-2019, 05:05 PM	#16
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Saints Re-Sign CB PJ Williams He got better as the season went along. He’s decent in the slot. I think he found his spot. K Major likes this.

04-04-2019, 02:26 AM	#17
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints Re-Sign CB PJ Williams Originally Posted by ChrisXVI I’m not really sure why Onyemata would be suspended. He wasn’t arrested and he didn’t fail a drug test. Great Point. First infraction involving League banned substances usual consequences entail that a player gets a warning notification, along with... The player is put into the league evaluation and assessment system, a probation of sorts... This includes league education of banned substances and recognizing substance abuse. Mandated abstinence not only from banned substances, but alcohol... Upon completion of the League self-awareness, self-evaluation program, they are also strongly encouraged to do more community service with their down time as idle minds are the Devil's playground... But the Big O can expect many last minute dates in the bathroom with a stranger that has a fetish for his piss for the rest of his playing career...
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04-04-2019, 02:31 AM	#18
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints Re-Sign CB PJ Williams Originally Posted by voodooido 5 million for a cb thats 4th string and gets smoked every other play. Look at what little draft capital we still have and how few quality CBs there are in this year's draft; not to mention what little was on the free agency market... That offer was cash, one year, he's off the market, and Payton/Loomis just bought themselves of notable cap expense, another year to acquire either draft capital to replace him or next season's free agency... At the end of the day, not many guys want to be a 4th CB on a team; he definitely improved as he got more snaps, opportunities and he already knows the system, locker room...
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04-04-2019, 03:56 AM	#19
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	Re: Saints Re-Sign CB PJ Williams Solid move. He knows the system and have chemistry with the other players. Should be able to keep improving. K Major likes this.

04-04-2019, 01:47 PM	#20
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Saints Re-Sign CB PJ Williams Originally Posted by jeanpierre Makes sense because with only one draft pick (currently) in the first one hundred-fifty picks, next not till 168th, and a small CB group in this draft class, we're not getting a talented CB unless one falls at 62... Shore CB up now and focus on S, C, G, OT, TE, WR, LB, DE... So this is where we are now in the Defensive Secondary: RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 34 - Justin Hardee (ERFA 2019) NCB (2) 21 - Patrick Robinson (IR), 35 - Marcus Sherels (FA 2019), 28 - Chris Campbell (RFC 2019) FS (2) 43 - Marcus A. Williams, 31 - Chris Banjo (FA 2019) SS (2) 24 - Vonn Bell, 48 - J.T. Gray LCB (2) 25 - Eli Apple, 26 - P.J. Williams (FA 2019), 20 - Ken Crawley (RFA 2019) I don't know much about Sherels besides he's a really good return man. I didn't even know he could play nickel corner. PJ Williams did a respectable job there last year and I'm glad he's back to keep growing in the system no matter where he plays when his name is called. I feel good with him as a solid backup and five million is worth the peace of mind to me and apparently Loomis feels the same way.