What Will Make Or Break Murray

AsylumGuido · 08-06-2019, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie

Him and Armstead will spend more time in the training room than on the field.

Just trying to prepare you for it now lol

Where did you come up with that? One of the things that stands out about Murray is his durability. Do you think before you type?

neugey · 08-06-2019, 02:39 PM

We just need Murray to do what CJ Anderson did for the Rams last year. As the season wears on and defenses wear down and get banged up get him more carries and let him take some pressure off Kamara. If Murray has 2.4 yards per carry through the first 6 games we might need to be patient is what I'm saying.

dam1953 · 08-06-2019, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Recent record bringing in Vet RB's is not good. Sproles and Hightower were exceptions. A lot of red flags. Age, health, unknown true catch ability. Someone said he is wearing a back brace. Not sure if true. Guess we will find out soon what we have.

The biggest red flag seems to be the one that is most difficult to measure...what lies between the ears. Many of the misfires we've had at RB and receiver are because they just couldn't understand the system. This will keep you on the sideline, no matter how talented you are.

K Major · 08-06-2019, 02:56 PM

For a newly acquired FA running back who has yet to play in one meaningful game for the Black and Gold, I don't think I've ever seen so much malevolence & venom.

Maybe Saints coaches should come to their senses and cut him now

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homerj07 · 08-06-2019, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Recent record bringing in Vet RB's is not good. Sproles and Hightower were exceptions. A lot of red flags. Age, health, unknown true catch ability. Someone said he is wearing a back brace. Not sure if true. Guess we will find out soon what we have.

I agree. I understand hedging your bets.... But, damn, we are bringing in RBs left and right.

That is a little worrisome.

AsylumGuido · 08-06-2019, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

For a newly acquired FA running back who has yet to play in one meaningful game for the Black and Gold, I don't think I've ever seen so much malevolence & venom.

Maybe Saints coaches should come to their senses and cut him now .

Consider the source.

saintsfan1976 · 08-06-2019, 07:14 PM

Latavius Murray is like the fifth option in our offense. Stack the box with everything you've got.

Burn, you learn!

Utah_Saint · 08-06-2019, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

I've watched all his games the last few years. If we use him like we did Ingram early in his career or AD it will fail. He will get stuffed for 2-3 yards most of the time if not blown up at the line just like they did.

It wasn't until Ingram got involved in passing he started having success but that took a while to develop.

Ingram career catch percentage - 79.7%
Murray career catch percentage - 79.0%

Ingram career yards/target - 5.58
Murray career yards/target - 5.45

Ingram career yards/reception - 7.0
Murray career yards/reception - 6.9

You'd be hard pressed to find two running backs with closer receiving stats.

nola_swammi · 08-07-2019, 02:16 AM

right now I wish they paid the 1 million extra for Ingram however I think Kamara can take over the payload

Beastmode · 08-07-2019, 04:25 AM

The stats though are from different sample sizes and different routes.

Murray career catches: 128
Ingram career catches: 228

As for routes, just looking at highlights, Murray has almost no screens. It's mostly Carlos Hyde style dump offs. With Ingram lots of screens with bigger gains.

If Murray can have some success with screens he's going to have probably one of his best outliner years and really screw up defenses. If not, he can still do ok with GL runs but there will be a drop in production. I could see a 3 back rotation develop like with AD, Kamara and Ingram.

08-06-2019, 02:26 PM	#11
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: What Will Make Or Break Murray Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie Him and Armstead will spend more time in the training room than on the field. Just trying to prepare you for it now lol Where did you come up with that? One of the things that stands out about Murray is his durability. Do you think before you type?

08-06-2019, 02:39 PM	#12
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,590 Blog Entries: 13	Re: What Will Make Or Break Murray We just need Murray to do what CJ Anderson did for the Rams last year. As the season wears on and defenses wear down and get banged up get him more carries and let him take some pressure off Kamara. If Murray has 2.4 yards per carry through the first 6 games we might need to be patient is what I'm saying.

08-06-2019, 02:48 PM	#13
dam1953 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 4,645	Re: What Will Make Or Break Murray Originally Posted by Beastmode Recent record bringing in Vet RB's is not good. Sproles and Hightower were exceptions. A lot of red flags. Age, health, unknown true catch ability. Someone said he is wearing a back brace. Not sure if true. Guess we will find out soon what we have. The biggest red flag seems to be the one that is most difficult to measure...what lies between the ears. Many of the misfires we've had at RB and receiver are because they just couldn't understand the system. This will keep you on the sideline, no matter how talented you are.

08-06-2019, 02:56 PM	#14
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,018 Blog Entries: 3	Re: What Will Make Or Break Murray For a newly acquired FA running back who has yet to play in one meaningful game for the Black and Gold, I don't think I've ever seen so much malevolence & venom. Maybe Saints coaches should come to their senses and cut him now . Crusader and SmashMouth like this.

08-06-2019, 03:06 PM	#15
homerj07 In Doh We Trust Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,027 Blog Entries: 16	Re: What Will Make Or Break Murray Originally Posted by Beastmode Recent record bringing in Vet RB's is not good. Sproles and Hightower were exceptions. A lot of red flags. Age, health, unknown true catch ability. Someone said he is wearing a back brace. Not sure if true. Guess we will find out soon what we have. I agree. I understand hedging your bets.... But, damn, we are bringing in RBs left and right. That is a little worrisome.

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08-06-2019, 03:27 PM	#16
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: What Will Make Or Break Murray Originally Posted by K Major For a newly acquired FA running back who has yet to play in one meaningful game for the Black and Gold, I don't think I've ever seen so much malevolence & venom. Maybe Saints coaches should come to their senses and cut him now . Consider the source.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,530 Blog Entries: 3	Re: What Will Make Or Break Murray Latavius Murray is like the fifth option in our offense. Stack the box with everything you've got. Burn, you learn!

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Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: What Will Make Or Break Murray Originally Posted by Beastmode I've watched all his games the last few years. If we use him like we did Ingram early in his career or AD it will fail. He will get stuffed for 2-3 yards most of the time if not blown up at the line just like they did. It wasn't until Ingram got involved in passing he started having success but that took a while to develop. Ingram career catch percentage - 79.7% Murray career catch percentage - 79.0% Ingram career yards/target - 5.58 Murray career yards/target - 5.45 Ingram career yards/reception - 7.0 Murray career yards/reception - 6.9 You'd be hard pressed to find two running backs with closer receiving stats. SmashMouth, K Major and SaintGnome like this.

08-07-2019, 02:16 AM	#19
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,626	Re: What Will Make Or Break Murray right now I wish they paid the 1 million extra for Ingram however I think Kamara can take over the payload

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Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: What Will Make Or Break Murray The stats though are from different sample sizes and different routes. Murray career catches: 128 Ingram career catches: 228 As for routes, just looking at highlights, Murray has almost no screens. It's mostly Carlos Hyde style dump offs. With Ingram lots of screens with bigger gains. If Murray can have some success with screens he's going to have probably one of his best outliner years and really screw up defenses. If not, he can still do ok with GL runs but there will be a drop in production. I could see a 3 back rotation develop like with AD, Kamara and Ingram.
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