What Will Make Or Break Murray

Beastmode · 08-05-2019, 10:27 PM

Pass catching. Look for it in preseason, especially screens. If he can do this he will have success.

If not, it will be a disaster. They will stack the box on him. He will have to catch about 50 passes to make it work. He has never done that in his career. I think he can do it, he got up to 41 once so it should be fine.

He must have success with screens early. If that happens look out. He is bigger, stronger and faster than Ingram. If he misses anymore practice though it's going to be a rough start. He has to build up the chemistry and confidence with Brees and the OL. He does seem to have the right attitude so that is a big part of it.

Crusader · 08-06-2019, 03:35 AM

I dont really agree with you. Imho it doesn't really matter if its Murray catching the balls, whats important is that its not ALWAYS a run when he is in like it tended to be with Ingram.

Mix up the formations, spread it out, make the defence unable to stack the box, those things I would say are more important.

SmashMouth · 08-06-2019, 05:29 AM

He caught just fine at Yulman stadium... no worries there.

K Major · 08-06-2019, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

He caught just fine at Yulman stadium... no worries there.

+1.

Not sure why Latavius is such a "worry" for some. Guy is a proven vet, doesn't miss games, doesn't fumble and he will be a valuable asset on third & short (perfect short yardage back), 4th and goal.

Many must have a short memory ... go watch last year's game vs the Vikes. Latavius was ripping us up until Zimmer abandoned the run game.

For him to avg 4.1 ypc over the course of 16 games with that below avg O line last year was kind of impressive.

RELAX.

Beastmode · 08-06-2019, 08:01 AM

I've watched all his games the last few years. If we use him like we did Ingram early in his career or AD it will fail. He will get stuffed for 2-3 yards most of the time if not blown up at the line just like they did.

It wasn't until Ingram got involved in passing he started having success but that took a while to develop.

Utah_Saint · 08-06-2019, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

I've watched all his games the last few years. If we use him like we did Ingram early in his career or AD it will fail. He will get stuffed for 2-3 yards most of the time if not blown up at the line just like they did.

It wasn't until Ingram got involved in passing he started having success but that took a while to develop.

Ingram career catch percentage - 79.7%
Murray career catch percentage - 79.0%

Ingram career yards/target - 5.58
Murray career yards/target - 5.45

Ingram career yards/reception - 7.0
Murray career yards/reception - 6.9

You'd be hard pressed to find two running backs with closer receiving stats.

Beastmode · 08-07-2019, 04:25 AM

The stats though are from different sample sizes and different routes.

Murray career catches: 128
Ingram career catches: 228

As for routes, just looking at highlights, Murray has almost no screens. It's mostly Carlos Hyde style dump offs. With Ingram lots of screens with bigger gains.

If Murray can have some success with screens he's going to have probably one of his best outliner years and really screw up defenses. If not, he can still do ok with GL runs but there will be a drop in production. I could see a 3 back rotation develop like with AD, Kamara and Ingram.

Rugby Saint II · 08-06-2019, 11:55 AM

I definitely think they will stack the box an d if so we need to put him in space catching balls.

WillMacKenzie · 08-06-2019, 12:18 PM

Him and Armstead will spend more time in the training room than on the field.

Just trying to prepare you for it now lol

K Major · 08-06-2019, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie

Him and Armstead will spend more time in the training room than on the field.

Murray played all 16 games for 2018 & 2017.

Source - > https://www.pro-football-reference.c...M/MurrLa00.htm

You are right on Armstead but I guarantee you, you'll get ELITE production in all games he does suit up in.

08-05-2019, 10:27 PM	#1
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	What Will Make Or Break Murray Pass catching. Look for it in preseason, especially screens. If he can do this he will have success. If not, it will be a disaster. They will stack the box on him. He will have to catch about 50 passes to make it work. He has never done that in his career. I think he can do it, he got up to 41 once so it should be fine. He must have success with screens early. If that happens look out. He is bigger, stronger and faster than Ingram. If he misses anymore practice though it's going to be a rough start. He has to build up the chemistry and confidence with Brees and the OL. He does seem to have the right attitude so that is a big part of it.
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08-06-2019, 03:35 AM	#2
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,040	Re: What Will Make Or Break Murray I dont really agree with you. Imho it doesn't really matter if its Murray catching the balls, whats important is that its not ALWAYS a run when he is in like it tended to be with Ingram. Mix up the formations, spread it out, make the defence unable to stack the box, those things I would say are more important.

08-06-2019, 05:29 AM	#3
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,730 Blog Entries: 29	Re: What Will Make Or Break Murray He caught just fine at Yulman stadium... no worries there. Euphoria and K Major like this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,825 Blog Entries: 3	Re: What Will Make Or Break Murray Originally Posted by SmashMouth He caught just fine at Yulman stadium... no worries there. +1. Not sure why Latavius is such a "worry" for some. Guy is a proven vet, doesn't miss games, doesn't fumble and he will be a valuable asset on third & short (perfect short yardage back), 4th and goal. Many must have a short memory ... go watch last year's game vs the Vikes. Latavius was ripping us up until Zimmer abandoned the run game. For him to avg 4.1 ypc over the course of 16 games with that below avg O line last year was kind of impressive. RELAX. Rugby Saint II, MarchingOn and Saint in Aus like this.

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Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: What Will Make Or Break Murray I've watched all his games the last few years. If we use him like we did Ingram early in his career or AD it will fail. He will get stuffed for 2-3 yards most of the time if not blown up at the line just like they did. It wasn't until Ingram got involved in passing he started having success but that took a while to develop. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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08-06-2019, 07:26 PM	#6
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: What Will Make Or Break Murray Originally Posted by Beastmode I've watched all his games the last few years. If we use him like we did Ingram early in his career or AD it will fail. He will get stuffed for 2-3 yards most of the time if not blown up at the line just like they did. It wasn't until Ingram got involved in passing he started having success but that took a while to develop. Ingram career catch percentage - 79.7% Murray career catch percentage - 79.0% Ingram career yards/target - 5.58 Murray career yards/target - 5.45 Ingram career yards/reception - 7.0 Murray career yards/reception - 6.9 You'd be hard pressed to find two running backs with closer receiving stats. SmashMouth, K Major and SaintGnome like this.

08-07-2019, 04:25 AM	#7
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: What Will Make Or Break Murray The stats though are from different sample sizes and different routes. Murray career catches: 128 Ingram career catches: 228 As for routes, just looking at highlights, Murray has almost no screens. It's mostly Carlos Hyde style dump offs. With Ingram lots of screens with bigger gains. If Murray can have some success with screens he's going to have probably one of his best outliner years and really screw up defenses. If not, he can still do ok with GL runs but there will be a drop in production. I could see a 3 back rotation develop like with AD, Kamara and Ingram.
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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,148	Re: What Will Make Or Break Murray I definitely think they will stack the box an d if so we need to put him in space catching balls.

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WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: What Will Make Or Break Murray Him and Armstead will spend more time in the training room than on the field. Just trying to prepare you for it now lol The Dude likes this.

08-06-2019, 12:39 PM	#10
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,825 Blog Entries: 3	Re: What Will Make Or Break Murray Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie Him and Armstead will spend more time in the training room than on the field. Murray played all 16 games for 2018 & 2017. Source - > https://www.pro-football-reference.c...M/MurrLa00.htm You are right on Armstead but I guarantee you, you'll get ELITE production in all games he does suit up in.

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