Featured Discussion Saints vs Vikings Game Day Thread

Originally Posted by st thomas

In evaluating the black and gold last nite half the teamed sucked. Is that fair?

Very fair brother. I saw your other post about intelligence, dont sell your self short. If you ever put on a Falcons jersey we can revisit lol.

We are Saints fans. By that, and knowing the torture we willingly submit to it would be reasonable to question all of our intelligence...

[TheOak]

We all poke at each other but it should never get personal. We are all on the same side of the field after all and I would like to think that if anyone ever needed help we would all try to assist if we could.

Whether in the barracks, locker-room, or as brothers, guys break each others balls, just a fact of life. Hopefully its all in good fun.

[AsylumGuido]

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

By suppressing critical thought? Some are more tentative than others to express their honest opinion b/c they know it'll be met with over-the-top chastisising...calling out their fandom, belittling their lack of professional football experience, etc. This passive aggressive control tactic is tiring.

But I will fight for the right for folks to share their opinions whether I agree or not without judging those folks. That's how I roll.

Absolutely share your thoughts. But don't chastise others for shooting holes in your thoughts. If you feel strongly about your opinion and can back it up with tangible facts then you can make a point in a debate.

Personally, I feel the preseason has very little relation to what we will see in the regular season. Under today's CBA regulated limited contact training camps the preseason games have turned into an extension of the camp itself and nothing more.

Explain to me why I am mistaken (even though persons envolved in the process have expressed these same observations I simply repeat) and I will honestly consider those opinions.

[K Major]

Back on topic ...

But what about that defensive performance vs the Vikes though ? ...

[Barry from MS]

Originally Posted by K Major

Back on topic ...

But what about that defensive performance vs the Vikes though ? ...

As St Pat Swilling stated at half & post game, he didn't like the pass rush or defensive effort. His effort quote is unnerving to some degree. Bad angles and loss of contain stood out...basic football.

Grant it, we played very vanilla, but it shouldnt look like those 11 guys are merely a flashing yellow light between the 25 yd line and the goal line.

[AsylumGuido]

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

As St Pat Swilling stated at half & post game, he didn't like the pass rush or defensive effort. His effort quote is unnerving to some degree. Bad angles and loss of contain stood out...basic football.

Grant it, we played very vanilla, but it shouldnt look like those 11 guys are merely a flashing yellow light between the 25 yd line and the goal line.

Agreed. But it gives the coaching staff the opportunity to light a fire under the asses of those squads. Does it reflect upon what we can expect come the regular season as some imply? In my humble opinion ... no way.

Once again, my issue is with projecting upon the regular season based upon a pretty much meaningless (in the big scheme of things) preseason game. Hopefully it will help weed out those not making the cut.

On another note, I'm wondering what has happened to the claims of doomed attached to Latavius Murray coming into the game. Injured. Cannot be depended upon in the passing game.

[TheOak]

A moment of levity.

[Barry from MS]

Murray looks like a good fit at signing and now. Didn't have any issue through camp or now. He should contribute in the run & pass game heavily.

The 'effort' note is not good for the culture of any defense, preseason or otherwise. That's an attitude that Cam brings on the field. Without him, we have a small sample size of our 1s sans Cam. Hope it's an anomaly, but there was a difference in intensity without him on the field.

[AsylumGuido]

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

Murray looks like a good fit at signing and now. Didn't have any issue through camp or now. He should contribute in the run & pass game heavily.

The 'effort' note is not good for the culture of any defense, preseason or otherwise. That's an attitude that Cam brings on the field. Without him, we have a small sample size of our 1s sans Cam. Hope it's an anomaly, but there was a difference in intensity without him on the field.

I agree completely. Jordan is the defensive leader. That is vital. It displays his importance. It is a different unit when he isn't on the field. Hopefully a couple of others will step up into the leadership role.

But, I repeat, all we have seen is a very slightly practiced squad consisting in a large manner of players that will not make the final squad. It is a bit early to make any judgments of the regular season expectations.

This in not directed toward you, Barry, but those who were projecting toward the "real" roster.

[st thomas]

Originally Posted by TheOak

We all poke at each other but it should never get personal. We are all on the same side of the field after all and I would like to think that if anyone ever needed help we would all try to assist if we could.

Whether in the barracks, locker-room, or as brothers, guys break each others balls, just a fact of life. Hopefully its all in good fun.

That’s what I’m screaming. Don’t tend to be or ever be a negative Nellie , just honesty on our D that should be better even if 50 % of starters out.