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Old 08-21-2019, 10:59 AM   #21
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Hate as in his "Keep On Smilin" after the interceptions he'd throw?

Like a surgeon botching an operation on a loved one and coming out and slapping the family on the back and laughing "I really blew that procedure, I'm sorry they're dead! Ya'll want to go out for pizza?"

Aaron Brooks Saints TD - Int 120 - 84
Jake Del Homme Panthers TD - Int 120 - 89

Both rank second in Stats behind their former teams present QB

By DelHomme's own admission he "didn't have a clue" about being an NFL QB till Mike McCarthy taught him. If you don't play you can't use what you're taught. Look at what he did when given the chance.
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Old 08-21-2019, 05:44 PM   #22
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Originally Posted by CHA_CHING View Post
Aaron Brooks was the best QB in our franchise history prior to Brees' arrival. I have never understood the hate fans give him.

Prior to Brooks, the best statistical season we had from a QB was Jim Everett's 1995 season. It's a shame we didn't have Everett back in the Dome Patrol days, cause we most likely would've won some playoff games and may have even reached a SB. Bobby Hebert was not a good quarterback and he had some of his worst career games in the playoffs. For some reason he has always gotten a pass for this, but if you're bored, go pull the stats and re-watch the 1991 and 1992 playoff losses. Hebert was the Blake Bortles of playoff QBs back in those seasons when the Dome Patrol was at their peak and he was the ultimate weakness that held those teams back. There is a reason we were desperate enough to get completely robbed trading with Dallas to acquire Steve Walsh who turned out to be a bust.

We all love Archie and he is a great 'what could've been' player in NFL history, but there was no light at the end of the tunnel for what I call your dad or grandfather's Saints. Archie is also heavily debated in stat communities because the Saints shockingly became worse with him starting at QB. The argument there is that a good QB can elevate a bad team and make them win a few games they should lose. That didn't happen with Archie starting, and this was a trend that sadly followed him through his career. On the flip side in defense of Archie, you can make the case that he was put behind horrible o-lines that let him get mauled in his first two seasons before he had any chance to really develop.

Everyone forgets that we were actually leading in the division back in 2002 and we had the tie breaker over Tampa Bay thanks to sweeping them. Brooks had his best game of the year carving up the Tampa defense, and then our season was completely derailed when he got injured and Haslett kept him out there with a messed up shoulder.

The Haslett era Saints were a consistent mediocre team that was always in the race for the playoffs, but couldn't ever get over the hump. Brooks was not to blame for a lot of their problems.

I would still rather have Aaron Brooks in 2003 than Jake Delhomme. The stats speak for themselves and Brooks outperformed Delhomme all year. The hype for Delhomme was because Carolina was a flukey team squeaking out nailbiter wins all year long. Over half of their wins all year, including playoffs were by a touchdown or less, including 4 OT wins. In the SB vs New England, they were set to get blown out until the Patriots secondary faced injuries and that was when Delhomme lit them up with the bomb passes.
Hebert's problem was Mora; with a different HC in the Mora era the Saints would have won multiple Super Bowls.
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Old 08-21-2019, 06:18 PM   #23
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Bobby did indeed suck. I recall Gerry Glandsville saying he was the toughest QB he ever seen. That's not really a compliment. What he meant to say was we knocked the living crap out of him over and over and he got back up. Gerry didn't say he was a good QB.
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Old 08-21-2019, 08:33 PM   #24
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...We all love Archie and he is a great 'what could've been' player in NFL history, but there was no light at the end of the tunnel for what I call your dad or grandfather's Saints. Archie is also heavily debated in stat communities because the Saints shockingly became worse with him starting at QB. The argument there is that a good QB can elevate a bad team and make them win a few games they should lose. That didn't happen with Archie starting, and this was a trend that sadly followed him through his career. On the flip side in defense of Archie, you can make the case that he was put behind horrible o-lines that let him get mauled in his first two seasons before he had any chance to really develop...
Comparing quarterbacks of different eras is a non-starter...

Pass defense rules are stricter; we now have roughing the passer; advances in offensive scheme, i.e. West Coast Offense; hell, the fricking ball is even different, subtle, but significantly different...

So you compare QBs within their era...

Archie Manning was the only QB (maybe Neil Lomax, once) who made ProBowls off of losing teams at that time; Archie was even named NFC player of the year (MVP runner-up) on a losing team - on a losing team...

Brees is our best QB in franchise history, but even he's never won a League MVP - so there's some context...

Talent-wise, Archie Manning is the Best Quarterback we ever had, I know this because I HAVE watched many of his games, I saw more than the stat books can tell you...

As far as the team getting worse with Manning, that's BS that you have to be clear it wasn't because of Archie, and you need to gather more data and look beyond who was listed as the starter QB...

For if you are up to the challenge, you will find that when the Saints did acquire quality supporting talent when they became valuable vets, they were moved by owner/gm John Mecom for cheaper players...

FYI, (Y= Y'all's) that's insight to why Archie wouldn't let Eli go to the Chargers, as that family has said "never again" would they play for sh*tty owners...

Archie was the only player arguably compensated, and people came to see Archie, not the Saints play - the Saints weren't really a team until Mr. Finks took over...

But whatever real competitiveness the Saints had, it was because of Archie...
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Old 08-22-2019, 06:09 AM   #25
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Take a Lombardi earned by beating the reigning GOAT any day over an "over rated" MVP award. Don't forget Matty Ice was an MVP?
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Old 08-25-2019, 07:51 PM   #26
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AB thread... I feel like I should say something.

Maybe this: I miss the days when we would have to argue about whether we should take just about any rookie QB over AB... because it was so entertaining. But I don't miss them that much.
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