What we learned in Saints' preseason win over Jets

08-25-2019, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Grayson takes Ted Ginn Jr's spot on the roster.

Better learn the route tree first. World class speed does you no good if you can't be where you supposed to be when the ball is delivered.

Ginn is going no where.

jeanpierre · 08-25-2019, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Better learn the route tree first. World class speed does you no good if you can't be where you supposed to be when the ball is delivered.

Ginn is going no where.

Well this is the last season by contract for Ginn, and he's 34 now; so someone will need to assume that Devery Henderson/Brandon Cooks role of taking the top off the defense...

I'd think Grayson would be a great choice as he could add to his route tree as he develops...

And if it's not Grayson, it's highly probably it'll be someone not named Ginn next season; that's why I was a fan of drafting Mecole Hardeman, KC's selection...

ChrisXVI · 08-25-2019, 12:19 PM

I like Grayson to spend a year on the practice squad. He won’t be snatched up if we try to stash him there... He’s not a hot commodity.

K Major · 08-25-2019, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Well this is the last season by contract for Ginn, and he's 34 now; so someone will need to assume that Devery Henderson/Brandon Cooks role of taking the top off the defense...

I'd think Grayson would be a great choice as he could add to his route tree as he develops...

Someone will definitely need to STEP UP in 2020.

Carr, Kirkwood, and Smith had most of the season, last year, to prove themselves without Ginn. They couldn't.

Big shoes to fill once Ginn walks into the sunset.

cmike · 08-25-2019, 01:44 PM

PRob didn’t look good at all.

jeanpierre · 08-25-2019, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Someone will definitely need to STEP UP in 2020.

Carr, Kirkwood, and Smith had most of the season, last year, to prove themselves without Ginn. They couldn't.

Big shoes to fill once Ginn walks into the sunset.

Three years, that's how long most receivers really need to be at full-on speed; for example, Lance Moore didn't come in right away and be a legit threat until year 3...

Each WR has his own style, but with the number of guys we've got, we can rotate them, keep 'em fresh, and throw different looks to keep defenses honest...

A WR drafted in the third round and up should come in and contribute right away, first rounders should be just-add-water starters; so considering what we've got invested, all these young guys are hits in my book...

K Major · 08-25-2019, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

A WR drafted in the third round and up should come in and contribute right away, first rounders should be just-add-water starters; so considering what we've got invested, all these young guys are hits in my book...[/B]

Agreed on the first part.

Trequan Smith just doesn't look like he wants it out there ... at least not last night. Outside of the Redskins and Philly games, I've yet to see any consistent production from him.

For comparison I've watched Cowboys WR Michael Gallup (selected a few picks before Tre in 2018 draft) dominate this pre season and also in actual games with lesser talent throwing him the ball.

Tre needs to get it together. No excuses.

dam1953 · 08-25-2019, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Agreed on the first part.

Trequan Smith just doesn't look like he wants it out there ... at least not last night. Outside of the Redskins and Philly games, I've yet to see any consistent production from him.

For comparison I've watched Cowboys WR Michael Gallup (selected a few picks before Tre in 2018 draft) dominate this pre season and also in actual games with lesser talent throwing him the ball.

Tre needs to get it together. No excuses.

I think it may be a between the ears issue. If he can't make the right reads and get on the same page as Brees, he's going to hesitate and play slow. Not that he doesn't want it. He may not be able to get it. A lot of the Central FL highlights I saw were of the - go long and go up for the ball. The Saints O is a few orders of magnitude more complex than that.

rezburna · 08-25-2019, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by Cruize

The Colts have a really good team. Teddy is better than Brissett and it's not even close. The Saints probably couldn't get anything to help this years team. That is a negative. But, Teddy would get more/extra money from the Colts. He would get to start. The Saints would get more value than when Teddy leaves for nothing. And, the main thing that's driving my opinion is I honestly just love what Hill brings to the position. I believe he should be the backup. I have complete confidence in his abilities to lead the Saints to victories.

You’re vastly underestimating Jacoby Brissett.

TheOak · 08-25-2019, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Our offensive line is a ticking time bomb

That is your way of saying they are explosive isn't it?

Good on ya!

08-25-2019, 11:52 AM	#31
Threaded by K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by vpheughan Grayson takes Ted Ginn Jr's spot on the roster. Better learn the route tree first. World class speed does you no good if you can't be where you supposed to be when the ball is delivered. Ginn is going no where. jnormand, Rsanders24, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.
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08-25-2019, 12:17 PM	#32
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: What we learned in Saints' preseason win over Jets Originally Posted by K Major Better learn the route tree first. World class speed does you no good if you can't be where you supposed to be when the ball is delivered. Ginn is going no where. Well this is the last season by contract for Ginn, and he's 34 now; so someone will need to assume that Devery Henderson/Brandon Cooks role of taking the top off the defense... I'd think Grayson would be a great choice as he could add to his route tree as he develops... And if it's not Grayson, it's highly probably it'll be someone not named Ginn next season; that's why I was a fan of drafting Mecole Hardeman, KC's selection... Beastmode likes this.

08-25-2019, 12:19 PM	#33
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: What we learned in Saints' preseason win over Jets I like Grayson to spend a year on the practice squad. He won’t be snatched up if we try to stash him there... He’s not a hot commodity. MarchingOn likes this.

08-25-2019, 12:26 PM	#34
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: What we learned in Saints' preseason win over Jets Originally Posted by jeanpierre Well this is the last season by contract for Ginn, and he's 34 now; so someone will need to assume that Devery Henderson/Brandon Cooks role of taking the top off the defense... I'd think Grayson would be a great choice as he could add to his route tree as he develops... Someone will definitely need to STEP UP in 2020. Carr, Kirkwood, and Smith had most of the season, last year, to prove themselves without Ginn. They couldn't. Big shoes to fill once Ginn walks into the sunset. jnormand likes this.

08-25-2019, 01:44 PM	#35
cmike 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gulfport Posts: 1,427	Re: What we learned in Saints' preseason win over Jets PRob didn’t look good at all. SaintsBro and K Major like this.

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08-25-2019, 02:41 PM	#36
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: What we learned in Saints' preseason win over Jets Originally Posted by K Major Someone will definitely need to STEP UP in 2020. Carr, Kirkwood, and Smith had most of the season, last year, to prove themselves without Ginn. They couldn't. Big shoes to fill once Ginn walks into the sunset. Three years, that's how long most receivers really need to be at full-on speed; for example, Lance Moore didn't come in right away and be a legit threat until year 3... Each WR has his own style, but with the number of guys we've got, we can rotate them, keep 'em fresh, and throw different looks to keep defenses honest... A WR drafted in the third round and up should come in and contribute right away, first rounders should be just-add-water starters; so considering what we've got invested, all these young guys are hits in my book...
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08-25-2019, 03:11 PM	#37
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: What we learned in Saints' preseason win over Jets Originally Posted by jeanpierre A WR drafted in the third round and up should come in and contribute right away, first rounders should be just-add-water starters; so considering what we've got invested, all these young guys are hits in my book...[/B] Agreed on the first part. Trequan Smith just doesn't look like he wants it out there ... at least not last night. Outside of the Redskins and Philly games, I've yet to see any consistent production from him. For comparison I've watched Cowboys WR Michael Gallup (selected a few picks before Tre in 2018 draft) dominate this pre season and also in actual games with lesser talent throwing him the ball. Tre needs to get it together. No excuses. jnormand, SmashMouth, cmike and 1 others like this.

08-25-2019, 05:44 PM	#38
dam1953 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 4,645	Re: What we learned in Saints' preseason win over Jets Originally Posted by K Major Agreed on the first part. Trequan Smith just doesn't look like he wants it out there ... at least not last night. Outside of the Redskins and Philly games, I've yet to see any consistent production from him. For comparison I've watched Cowboys WR Michael Gallup (selected a few picks before Tre in 2018 draft) dominate this pre season and also in actual games with lesser talent throwing him the ball. Tre needs to get it together. No excuses. I think it may be a between the ears issue. If he can't make the right reads and get on the same page as Brees, he's going to hesitate and play slow. Not that he doesn't want it. He may not be able to get it. A lot of the Central FL highlights I saw were of the - go long and go up for the ball. The Saints O is a few orders of magnitude more complex than that.

08-25-2019, 06:56 PM	#39
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: What we learned in Saints' preseason win over Jets Originally Posted by Cruize The Colts have a really good team. Teddy is better than Brissett and it's not even close. The Saints probably couldn't get anything to help this years team. That is a negative. But, Teddy would get more/extra money from the Colts. He would get to start. The Saints would get more value than when Teddy leaves for nothing. And, the main thing that's driving my opinion is I honestly just love what Hill brings to the position. I believe he should be the backup. I have complete confidence in his abilities to lead the Saints to victories. You’re vastly underestimating Jacoby Brissett. Rsanders24 and K Major like this.

08-25-2019, 06:58 PM	#40
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: What we learned in Saints' preseason win over Jets Originally Posted by The Dude Our offensive line is a ticking time bomb That is your way of saying they are explosive isn't it? Good on ya! Rugby Saint II likes this.