NFL, Saints Cuts

K Major · 08-31-2019, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

I wish I could remember who said it or what the exact wording was, but I remember reading a quote once that said something to the effect of “Payton will always go with the guys that have marginal physical talent if their football IQ is off the charts.” From what I understand, Austin Carr is incredibly intelligent and probably aces the classroom portion of things.

It has yet to translate on Sunday's XVI.

Marginal talent usually goes home with an L. Production is all that matters at this level of football.

I expect the Saints to bring in proven vet @ WR at some point this season.

ChrisXVI · 08-31-2019, 06:00 PM

So the Dolphins are in full-on tank mode and we have two TE’s on the roster... How about sending them a late pick for Mike Gesicki?

jeanpierre · 08-31-2019, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by brees84

Yeah. Carr is small guy that can be easily guarded. Not the best attributes for slot WR. Or any type WR. Lance Moore was not that athletic but compared to Carr... Carr is not chain mover... Simple as that.

Check the history, you're opinion on the comparison may be premature...

#16 WR Lance Moore:

2006 CLE/NO Practice Squad

Year 1 2006 04 Gm, 00 GS, 003 Tgt, 01 Rec, 010 ReYd, 00 ReTd

Year 2 2007 16 Gm, 04 GS, 050 Tgt, 32 Rec, 302 ReYd, 02 ReTd

Year 3 2008 16 Gm, 06 GS, 121 Tgt, 79 Rec, 928 ReYd, 10 ReTd

#80 WR Austin Carr:

2017 Signed by NE as UDFA for 3 year/$1.67mil, released, Claimed on Waivers by Saints

Year 1 2017 01 Gm, 00 GS, 000 Tgt, 00 Rec, 000 ReYd, 00 ReTd

Year 2 2018 14 Gm, 02 GS, 014 Tgt, 09 Rec, 097 ReYd, 02 ReTd

Year 3 2019 ?? Gm, ?? GS, ??? Tgt, ?? Rec, ??? ReYd, ?? ReTd

Sources:

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...M/MoorLa00.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...C/CarrAu00.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Moore

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin...rican_football)

Beastmode · 08-31-2019, 06:00 PM

It could be we don't need that many RB's. Hill could do it if we were that desperate. He already kinda does on a limited scale. Ozigbo doesn't bring anything else to the table. If he was a good returner or tackler he would have made the team easily.

jeanpierre · 08-31-2019, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

So the Dolphins are in full-on tank mode and we have two TE’s on the roster... How about sending them a late pick for Mike Gesicki?

Or an offensive lineman?

blackangold · 08-31-2019, 06:06 PM

Well... I was wrong about the Carr move. Hope it pans out. I thought Butler and Humphrey could add more grit and big bodies to our WRs. Outside of Thomas we have a group of WRs that are not physical at all. Looks like it's going to be the Thomas and Cook show... I still think Butler or Humphrey would have been the 3rd best WR on the roster.

jeanpierre · 08-31-2019, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Well... I was wrong about the Carr move. Hope it pans out. I thought Butler and Humphrey could add more grit and big bodies to our WRs. Outside of Thomas we have a group of WRs that are not physical at all. Looks like it's going to be the Thomas and Cook show... I still think Butler or Humphrey would have been the 3rd best WR on the roster.

Don't forget about Kirkwood...

brees84 · 08-31-2019, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Check the history, you're opinion on the comparison may be premature...

#16 WR Lance Moore:

2006 CLE/NO Practice Squad

Year 1 2006 04 Gm, 00 GS, 003 Tgt, 01 Rec, 010 ReYd, 00 ReTd

Year 2 2007 16 Gm, 04 GS, 050 Tgt, 32 Rec, 302 ReYd, 02 ReTd

Year 3 2008 16 Gm, 06 GS, 121 Tgt, 79 Rec, 928 ReYd, 10 ReTd

#80 WR Austin Carr:

2017 Signed by NE as UDFA for 3 year/$1.67mil, released, Claimed on Waivers by Saints

Year 1 2017 01 Gm, 00 GS, 000 Tgt, 00 Rec, 000 ReYd, 00 ReTd

Year 2 2018 14 Gm, 02 GS, 014 Tgt, 09 Rec, 097 ReYd, 02 ReTd

Year 3 2019 ?? Gm, ?? GS, ??? Tgt, ?? Rec, ??? ReYd, ?? ReTd

Sources:

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...M/MoorLa00.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...C/CarrAu00.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Moore

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin...rican_football)

I just don't see that upside with Carr. He doesn't have that quickness and body control to create separation and get open. Hope I'm wrong but watching him play can't seem to think otherwise.

K Major · 08-31-2019, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Well... I was wrong about the Carr move. Hope it pans out. I thought Butler and Humphrey could add more grit and big bodies to our WRs. Outside of Thomas we have a group of WRs that are not physical at all. Looks like it's going to be the Thomas and Cook show... I still think Butler or Humphrey would have been the 3rd best WR on the roster.

It won't.

I guess when week 11 gets here and we are scouring for WR's due to injury because Carr can't provide anything, we can circle back to this thread as reference.

Hopefully Butler and/or Humphrey can make it on the practice squad but I believe Emmanuel Butler is all but gone.

blackangold · 08-31-2019, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Don't forget about Kirkwood...

I don't see kirkwood as a physical guy, he is a big body but not physical.

You don't need to be big to be physical, Steve Smith was a good example of that.

08-31-2019, 05:55 PM	#141
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: NFL, Saints Cuts Originally Posted by ChrisXVI I wish I could remember who said it or what the exact wording was, but I remember reading a quote once that said something to the effect of “Payton will always go with the guys that have marginal physical talent if their football IQ is off the charts.” From what I understand, Austin Carr is incredibly intelligent and probably aces the classroom portion of things. It has yet to translate on Sunday's XVI. Marginal talent usually goes home with an L. Production is all that matters at this level of football. I expect the Saints to bring in proven vet @ WR at some point this season. Rsanders24 and ChrisXVI like this.

08-31-2019, 06:00 PM	#142
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: NFL, Saints Cuts So the Dolphins are in full-on tank mode and we have two TE’s on the roster... How about sending them a late pick for Mike Gesicki? jeanpierre, Rell&Gold and MarchingOn like this.

08-31-2019, 06:00 PM	#143
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: NFL, Saints Cuts Originally Posted by brees84 Yeah. Carr is small guy that can be easily guarded. Not the best attributes for slot WR. Or any type WR. Lance Moore was not that athletic but compared to Carr... Carr is not chain mover... Simple as that. Check the history, you're opinion on the comparison may be premature... #16 WR Lance Moore: 2006 CLE/NO Practice Squad Year 1 2006 04 Gm, 00 GS, 003 Tgt, 01 Rec, 010 ReYd, 00 ReTd Year 2 2007 16 Gm, 04 GS, 050 Tgt, 32 Rec, 302 ReYd, 02 ReTd Year 3 2008 16 Gm, 06 GS, 121 Tgt, 79 Rec, 928 ReYd, 10 ReTd #80 WR Austin Carr: 2017 Signed by NE as UDFA for 3 year/$1.67mil, released, Claimed on Waivers by Saints Year 1 2017 01 Gm, 00 GS, 000 Tgt, 00 Rec, 000 ReYd, 00 ReTd Year 2 2018 14 Gm, 02 GS, 014 Tgt, 09 Rec, 097 ReYd, 02 ReTd Year 3 2019 ?? Gm, ?? GS, ??? Tgt, ?? Rec, ??? ReYd, ?? ReTd Sources: https://www.pro-football-reference.c...M/MoorLa00.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.c...C/CarrAu00.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Moore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin...rican_football) Rugby Saint II likes this.
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Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: NFL, Saints Cuts It could be we don't need that many RB's. Hill could do it if we were that desperate. He already kinda does on a limited scale. Ozigbo doesn't bring anything else to the table. If he was a good returner or tackler he would have made the team easily.
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08-31-2019, 06:04 PM	#145
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08-31-2019, 06:06 PM	#146
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: NFL, Saints Cuts Well... I was wrong about the Carr move. Hope it pans out. I thought Butler and Humphrey could add more grit and big bodies to our WRs. Outside of Thomas we have a group of WRs that are not physical at all. Looks like it's going to be the Thomas and Cook show... I still think Butler or Humphrey would have been the 3rd best WR on the roster. Rsanders24 and Rell&Gold like this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: NFL, Saints Cuts Originally Posted by blackangold Well... I was wrong about the Carr move. Hope it pans out. I thought Butler and Humphrey could add more grit and big bodies to our WRs. Outside of Thomas we have a group of WRs that are not physical at all. Looks like it's going to be the Thomas and Cook show... I still think Butler or Humphrey would have been the 3rd best WR on the roster. Don't forget about Kirkwood...

08-31-2019, 06:09 PM	#148
brees84 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 3,015	Re: NFL, Saints Cuts Originally Posted by jeanpierre Check the history, you're opinion on the comparison may be premature... #16 WR Lance Moore: 2006 CLE/NO Practice Squad Year 1 2006 04 Gm, 00 GS, 003 Tgt, 01 Rec, 010 ReYd, 00 ReTd Year 2 2007 16 Gm, 04 GS, 050 Tgt, 32 Rec, 302 ReYd, 02 ReTd Year 3 2008 16 Gm, 06 GS, 121 Tgt, 79 Rec, 928 ReYd, 10 ReTd #80 WR Austin Carr: 2017 Signed by NE as UDFA for 3 year/$1.67mil, released, Claimed on Waivers by Saints Year 1 2017 01 Gm, 00 GS, 000 Tgt, 00 Rec, 000 ReYd, 00 ReTd Year 2 2018 14 Gm, 02 GS, 014 Tgt, 09 Rec, 097 ReYd, 02 ReTd Year 3 2019 ?? Gm, ?? GS, ??? Tgt, ?? Rec, ??? ReYd, ?? ReTd Sources: https://www.pro-football-reference.c...M/MoorLa00.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.c...C/CarrAu00.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Moore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin...rican_football) I just don't see that upside with Carr. He doesn't have that quickness and body control to create separation and get open. Hope I'm wrong but watching him play can't seem to think otherwise. Barry from MS, Rell&Gold and K Major like this.
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08-31-2019, 06:12 PM	#149
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: NFL, Saints Cuts Originally Posted by blackangold Well... I was wrong about the Carr move. Hope it pans out. I thought Butler and Humphrey could add more grit and big bodies to our WRs. Outside of Thomas we have a group of WRs that are not physical at all. Looks like it's going to be the Thomas and Cook show... I still think Butler or Humphrey would have been the 3rd best WR on the roster. It won't. I guess when week 11 gets here and we are scouring for WR's due to injury because Carr can't provide anything, we can circle back to this thread as reference. Hopefully Butler and/or Humphrey can make it on the practice squad but I believe Emmanuel Butler is all but gone. Rell&Gold likes this.

08-31-2019, 06:27 PM	#150
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: NFL, Saints Cuts Originally Posted by jeanpierre Don't forget about Kirkwood... I don't see kirkwood as a physical guy, he is a big body but not physical. You don't need to be big to be physical, Steve Smith was a good example of that. SmashMouth, Rell&Gold and K Major like this.

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